Thomas Patrick Ward

[TheGoods]

Ward struggled with Dickens and basically just showed pillow power against pretty much a journeyman level fighter

Lunatic.

1 - Journeymen level fighters are not rated in top 15 out of three of the four sanctioning bodies.

2 - Ward was four rounds up on one card and two up on the other two against Dickens when he was cut accidentally. So please define “struggled”?

3 - Describing what he showed last night as “pillow power” is just ridiculous. Ref warned his corner twice he was going to pull Hernandez out as he was taking a beating and warned the fighter that he was getting “beat up”. The knockdown in fourth was an absolute peach.

4 - You are embarrassing yourself here by trying to belittle Tommy Ward. So best quit while you are behind eh?

[TheLeprechaun]

Ward struggled with Dickens and basically just showed pillow power against pretty much a journeyman level fighter

Lunatic.

1 - Journeymen level fighters are not rated in top 15 out of three of the four sanctioning bodies.

2 - Ward was four rounds up on one card and two up on the other two against Dickens when he was cut accidentally. So please define “struggled”?

3 - Describing what he showed last night as “pillow power” is just ridiculous. Ref warned his corner twice he was going to pull Hernandez out as he was taking a beating and warned the fighter that he was getting “beat up”. The knockdown in fourth was an absolute peach.

4 - You are embarrassing yourself here by trying to belittle Tommy Ward. So best quit while you are behind eh?

You're clearly trying to ingratiate yourself into the ward camp in some way and doing a fine job of licking arse in the process. The ref was a clown, at no point did the journeyman look like being stopped. The doctor actually laughed at the referee when he brought hernandez over to him. Hernandez was dismal.

You put a bet on ward to win by ko and lost money on the fight. So who is the one who's a lunatic? The one who lost money on the fight or the one who didn't? Continue backing him by KO and make more donations to Ladbrokes. I can't fathom how I'm the lunatic when you've lost hard earned money. Hernandez isnt a journeyman because he's ranked top 15? Lol watch him get stopped by journeymen in the future.

[TheGoods]

I know the Ward’s and his trainer and manager very well. No need to “ingratiate” myself with anyone. And wasn’t 9/1 value? Dropped him heavily and nearly stopped him.

You just sound really, really bitter. Listen it’s easy to be a critic. They’re everywhere. And no little slink of a keyboard warrior ever won any belts or awards. Why don’t me and you have a £500 bet Mr Mouthpiece? I’m saying Ward wins one of the ‘Big Four’ world title belts by the end of June next year. If you don’t rate him should be easy money for you?

[THEBUTCH]

Ward boxed like a dream. That was as good a performance I've seen from any British boxer (keeping it in context).

How often do we see Brits go to the USA and put in a performance which had everything IMO? And at 24 there's room for improvement.

He showed superb timing which can help make up for lack of KO power....what a pin point left hook he delivered to put Hernandez down....he was really dazed doing well to beat the count.

Good to see the American commentry team being gracious towards Ward.

I would like to see Ward target the European title ASAP and would expect him to win it.

[TheLeprechaun]

I know the Ward’s and his trainer and manager very well. No need to “ingratiate” myself with anyone. And wasn’t 9/1 value? Dropped him heavily and nearly stopped him.

You just sound really, really bitter. Listen it’s easy to be a critic. They’re everywhere. And no little slink of a keyboard warrior ever won any belts or awards. Why don’t me and you have a £500 bet Mr Mouthpiece? I’m saying Ward wins one of the ‘Big Four’ world title belts by the end of June next year. If you don’t rate him should be easy money for you?

Ridiculous post mate. Challenging me to a bet? Laughable. You'll get way better than evens in a bookies and having a bet with someone you don't know on a forum is hardly mature.

I guess im bitter because I wasn't impressed by watching someone struggling to stop a punch bag, who got dropped and had a SD vs a journeyman himself a couple of fights ago.

You'll also get great odds for Ward stopping the likes of Dogboe, Navarette, Vargas etc, which im sure you'll be lumping on due to Wards great power.

This isn't an easy division. I watched Carlos Castro put on a smart performance to beat Servania who had given Oscar Valdez all he could handle and Castro didn't lose a second of the fight. He's not even knocking on the door yet. That was an impressive performance because Servania had put in a good showing vs Valdez. Get back to us when Ward has done something like that. Hernandez isn't even British level. You're making yourself look like an absolute plum here and not worth any more of my time.

[benjipicken]

Iv noticed you mention 3 bantamweights but miss out two world champions.

Dogboe, Navarette and Vargas no doubt are the toughest fights out there.

IMO and iv seen footage of his sparring against a prospect two weight classes above, he beats TJ And Daniel Roman.

Dogboe looked unbeatable but was took apart by a very silky boxer. He had no plan B.

Wards a legit top 10 but if Roman and TJ Doheny are fighting out a unification then he’ could be a couple of fights away from holding 2 belts.

[roy]

I thought Ward was a revelation on Friday night, miles better than the last time I saw him. Reminded me a bit of Howard Winstone in the way he landed hard jabs and always seemed to have time to slip his opponent's punches.

[prewarboxing]

I thought Ward was a revelation on Friday night, miles better than the last time I saw him. Reminded me a bit of Howard Winstone in the way he landed hard jabs and always seemed to have time to slip his opponent's punches.

I completely agree with this. We have an outstanding boxer on our hands, admittedly one whose power is not yet fully developed, and it is a pleasure to be able to watch the sort of performance Tommy put up last Friday night. I started this thread because I felt the lad wasn't getting any proper recognition and because no-one seemed to want to discuss him. It is good to see so many opinions now being expressed. Ken Buchanan won a world title without having real 'power' but with outstanding boxing ability, lets hope that Tommy can now do the same.

Power is important, of course, it really helps, but so do slick boxing skills.

In my opinion, to be world class, you need to be outstanding in two of three departments. If you have all three then you will obviously stand out, but two of the three are enough. These are :

1. Power
2. Exceptional boxing skills
3. An excellent chin.

I would rather have 2 and 3 with only limited power than 1 and 2 with a poor chin.
I think that 2 and 3 are at least as good as 1 and 3.

If you have power and a good chin but your boxing skills (especially in defence) are your weakest point then you will get found out.

If you have excellent boxing skills and a good chin but do not possess real power then you can survive quite handily.

I know others may disagree, and if you do so then please, lets have a grown up conversation about it. I do not want to be abused by keyboard warriors just because they don't agree with me.

The big question about Tommy is - Can he take a punch? I have seen a lot of his contests and I think he can.

Miles Templeton

[jamamb]

for me stll a way to go before he shows hes world class....but defo showng the goods lately . was very impressed and want to see more

not a big puncher but he was hurting his man and it may just be the boxer mndset that is why he doesnt have more stoppages. ya the opponent wasnt great but he had beaten another unbeaten us prospect who was gettng some hype and push on showbox

[prewarboxing]

for me stll a way to go before he shows hes world class....but defo showng the goods lately . was very impressed and want to see more

not a big puncher but he was hurting his man and it may just be the boxer mndset that is why he doesnt have more stoppages. ya the opponent wasnt great but he had beaten another unbeaten us prospect who was gettng some hype and push on showbox

Bang on

[benjipicken]

He turned professional a couple of days after his 18th birthday, he was a man in a boys body, take into account he was fighting journeymen a lot older than him in 4 and 6 round contests. They have took there time with him and rightly so, he’s sparred Warrington for the frampton and Selby fight and he’s recently been sparring Jordan Gill. Rumours have it he’s been having his way with the majority of the spar’s. The stoppages will come in the 10 and 12 round contests.

If Tommy knocked out that kid in the 4th, would ppl be talking about him as much as they are now, I’d prefer to see the clinic over ten rounds rather than a 4th round KO.

[Oiky]

He turned professional a couple of days after his 18th birthday, he was a man in a boys body, take into account he was fighting journeymen a lot older than him in 4 and 6 round contests. They have took there time with him and rightly so, he’s sparred Warrington for the frampton and Selby fight and he’s recently been sparring Jordan Gill. Rumours have it he’s been having his way with the majority of the spar’s. The stoppages will come in the 10 and 12 round contests.

If Tommy knocked out that kid in the 4th, would ppl be talking about him as much as they are now, I’d prefer to see the clinic over ten rounds rather than a 4th round KO.

Good post

[REEVE]

Tommy is an outstanding prospect!!

I shared the dressing room with him the night he won his british title, it was amazing to see the lonsdale up close and even better that a young lad from 5 mins away from me had won it

Hell be a world champion

[Oiky]

Tommy is an outstanding prospect!!

I shared the dressing room with him the night he won his british title, it was amazing to see the lonsdale up close and even better that a young lad from 5 mins away from me had won it

Hell be a world champion

Got bundles of talent hasn't he

[REEVE]

Yes mate very very skillful

[margaret thatcher]

This guy is about to be 30-0 and still really hasn't been going anywhere. A career with plenty of activity but little momentum.

[benjipicken]

Still only 25, be fighting for world title end of the year

[margaret thatcher]

Nah, doubt it, maybe he will when he's 50-0 (7) though

[benjipicken]

He’s ranked no 1 for WBO... Rumoured Navarette is moving up.

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Wasnt he signed with Queensbury at one point ?

[benjipicken]

Yeah but them Warren’s won a purse bid and expected his management to put up the fight. Cowboys

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Which fight ?

[benjipicken]

Jazza Dickens rematch after Davis fight

[margaret thatcher]

Even though he has very few knockouts he's not particularly boring, and he's skilled for sure, I wonder why bigger promoters haven't been more enthusiastic? Do they just see the lack of stoppages? Very rare for a british fighter to be at like 30-0 but still facing journeyman type opponents and not even done the euro sceene, especially after having won and defended the british title a few years ago and doing very well in the usa showtime fight

[Bigdogsnose]

The Hernandez fight seemed like the breakthrough especially with the highlight reel knockdown. I could watch him all day, such a skillfull operator but he does need the step up. Hope it comes soon. On a side note he came to my little uns kickboxing a couple of weeks back for photos and stuff. Seemed a nice fella, solid looking size for the weight he does.