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Thought I'd have a look at a fight I saw but didn't score back in the day. Riddick Bowe v Tony Tubbs. 10 points must in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Bowe
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Bowe
Round 4: 10-9 Bowe
Round 5: 10-9 Tubbs
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Tubbs
Round 8: 10-9 Bowe
Round 9: 10-9 Bowe
Round 10: 10-9 Tubbs

Total 97-95 Bowe

Actual scores were 97-93 and 96-94 (twice) all for Bowe. But watching it I can see why many either have it a draw or for either fighter. It's a tough one, fought very tightly. Bowe was steady and Tubbs fought in spurts. In the end I was happy with my decision but can see how others differ.

[tiny_acres]

Thought I'd have a look at a fight I saw but didn't score back in the day. Riddick Bowe v Tony Tubbs. 10 points must in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Bowe
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Bowe
Round 4: 10-9 Bowe
Round 5: 10-9 Tubbs
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Tubbs
Round 8: 10-9 Bowe
Round 9: 10-9 Bowe
Round 10: 10-9 Tubbs

Total 97-95 Bowe

Actual scores were 97-93 and 96-94 (twice) all for Bowe. But watching it I can see why many either have it a draw or for either fighter. It's a tough one, fought very tightly. Bowe was steady and Tubbs fought in spurts. In the end I was happy with my decision but can see how others differ.

I haven't seen that fight since it happened.
It was a close one from my memory.
I need to watch it again

[Ambling Alp II]

That was a pretty good win for Bowe considering how much experience he had at the time.

[Ambling Alp II]

My look at Bowe-Holyfield trilogy.

The 1st bout.
1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Bowe 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Bowe 10-9
5: Holyfield 10-9
6: Bowe 10-9
7: Bowe 10-9
8: Bowe 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Bowe 10-9
11: Bowe 10-8
12: Bowe 10-9
Total score: Bowe 116-111

The 2nd bout.
1: Bowe 10-9
2: Bowe 10-9
3: Bowe 10-9
4: Holyfield 10-9
5: Holyfield 10-9
6: Holyfield 10-9
7: Holyfield 10-9
8: Holyfield 10-9
9: Bowe 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Bowe 10-9
Total score: Holyfield 115-113

The 3rd bout.
1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Bowe 10-9
3: Bowe 10-9
4: Holyfield 10-9
5: Bowe 9-9 (Point deduction due to low blow for Bowe)
6: Holyfield 10-8
7: Holyfield 10-9
8: Bowe TKO
Total score before the stoppage round: Holyfield 67-64

I think I had the first fight 115-112 for Bowe. Great fight.
I had the second fight a draw. Almost as good of a fight as the first one.
The third fight I had Bowe winning 66-65. Holyfield was definitely off in this fight. He won the first round, but did very little in the next four five rounds. He did almost have Bowe out in the 7th round, and if he could have followed up with anything, Bowe would have been finished.
Bowe seemed in control for most of the fight, but losing the point deduction and the knockdown made the score look close. It was kind of an odd fight.

[DrDuke]

The third fight I had Bowe winning 66-65. Holyfield was definitely off in this fight. He won the first round, but did very little in the next four five rounds. He did almost have Bowe out in the 7th round, and if he could have followed up with anything, Bowe would have been finished.
Bowe seemed in control for most of the fight, but losing the point deduction and the knockdown made the score look close. It was kind of an odd fight.

I'd say, Holyfield was inconsistent through the fight, but managed to edge it, until he got caught.

[DrDuke]

Ken Norton vs Scott LeDoux

1: Norton 10-9
2: LeDoux 10-9
3: LeDoux 10-9
4: Norton 10-9
5: Norton 10-9
6: Norton 10-9
7: Norton 10-9
8: LeDoux 10-9
9: LeDoux 10-9
10: LeDoux 10-7

Total score: LeDoux 95-93

As you can see, I've agreed to rule it as a draw, if to score by rounds, but with the established today rule of taking the points away for KD I score it for LeDoux. I wonder, how exactly the scorecards of that fight looked like. In that time it was more common to give even rounds and it's interesting, how the final round was scored there. Actually does anyone know, when the modern model of the 10-point must system appeared? It looks like, in the 80s, despite the fact the system itself was used even earlier.

[DrDuke]

Ken Norton vs Randall Cobb

1: Cobb 10-9
2: Norton 10-9
3: Cobb 10-9
4: Cobb 10-9
5: Norton 10-9
6: Norton 10-9
7: Norton 10-9
8: Cobb 10-9
9: Cobb 10-9
10: Norton 10-9

Total score: 95-95

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Ken Norton vs Scott LeDoux

1: Norton 10-9
2: LeDoux 10-9
3: LeDoux 10-9
4: Norton 10-9
5: Norton 10-9
6: Norton 10-9
7: Norton 10-9
8: LeDoux 10-9
9: LeDoux 10-9
10: LeDoux 10-7

Total score: LeDoux 95-93

As you can see, I've agreed to rule it as a draw, if to score by rounds, but with the established today rule of taking the points away for KD I score it for LeDoux. I wonder, how exactly the scorecards of that fight looked like. In that time it was more common to give even rounds and it's interesting, how the final round was scored there. Actually does anyone know, when the modern model of the 10-point must system appeared? It looks like, in the 80s, despite the fact the system itself was used even earlier.

This was my card on the bout and what I wrote about it.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Norton
Round 3: 10-9 LeDoux
Round 4: 10-9 Norton
Round 5: 10-9 Norton
Round 6: 10-9 Norton
Round 7: 10-9 Norton
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 LeDoux
Round 10: 10-7 LeDoux (2 knockdowns)

Total: 95-95 Draw

Norton was coming apart at the seams by the 8th round and despite the confusion in the 10th, LeDoux scored 2 knockdowns and to tell you the truth the fight should have been stopped. But it is what it is. Official scores were 95-94 Norton, 95-94 LeDoux and 95-95. I thought the draw was a good call, but I'm sure LeDoux felt hard done by. There was mayhem, he thought the fight was stopped but it went to the cards.

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Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes I

R1.10-9 LH
R2.10-9 LH
R3.10-9 MS
R4.10-9 MS
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 MS
R7.10-9 MS
R8.10-9 MS
R9.10-9 LH
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 MS
R12.10-9 MS
R13.10-9 MS
R14.10-10
R15.10-9 MS

Michael Spinks 147-141

Michael Spinks unpredictable tactics and Larry Holmes inability to sustain pressure for more than a minute a round were the difference in this fight.Spinks ran, thru jabs from too far away. but then rushed in repeatedly and scored well with combos. Holmes rocked Michael several times, but just couldn't follow up on it. The judges scored it for the new IBF champion by 3-1-1 pts, which obviously I thought was too close.

Seamus, I checked this fight out for - I'm not kidding - the first time. Missed both fights when they aired and just never watched them. I checked this thread and actually, you were the only person who presented a scorecard on this fight. So here we go. Larry Holmes v Michael Spinks I

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Spinks
Round 12: 10-9 Spinks
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Holmes
Round 15: 10-9 Holmes

Total: 145-143 Spinks

Age. Just a matter of Holmes being unable to pull that trigger and why he stopped the body punches - which clearly effected Spinks - I'll never know. BTW, Seamus, we actually had an identical scorecard through 12 rounds and then we went astray.

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Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.

[dagosd2000]

Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.

Dan
Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.Granted,no one thought Douglas was going to go anywhere,but to lose 100,000 that way?There's the reason to reach the two Asian judges. Just trying to protect their wagers. Guys that lay down that kind of money don't go the track and put two dollars down at the "Show Window."And they more than likely he has a name that ends in a vowel.If the ref would have been Japanese he would have determined that Buster didn't beat the count in round 8.

[dagosd2000]

Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.

Dan
Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.Granted,no one thought Douglas was going to go anywhere,but to lose 100,000 that way?There's the reason to reach the two Asian judges. Just trying to protect their wagers. A guy that lays down that kind of money doesn't go the track and put two dollars down at the "Show Window."And more than likely he has a name that ends in a vowel.If the ref would have been Japanese he would have determined that Buster didn't beat the count in round 8.

[dagosd2000]

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Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.

Dan
Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.Granted,no one thought Douglas was going to go anywhere,but to lose 100,000 that way?There's the reason to reach the two Asian judges. Just trying to protect their wagers. Guys that lay down that kind of money don't go the track and put two dollars down at the "Show Window."And they more than likely he has a name that ends in a vowel.If the ref would have been Japanese he would have determined that Buster didn't beat the count in round 8.

Dude, I never thought of that. i had my head so wrapped around the King/Sulaiman thing I never thought about gamblers protecting their bets. Good one.

[dagosd2000]

Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.

Dan
Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.Granted,no one thought Douglas was going to go anywhere,but to lose 100,000 that way?There's the reason to reach the two Asian judges. Just trying to protect their wagers. Guys that lay down that kind of money don't go the track and put two dollars down at the "Show Window."And they more than likely he has a name that ends in a vowel.If the ref would have been Japanese he would have determined that Buster didn't beat the count in round 8.

Dude, I never thought of that. i had my head so wrapped around the King/Sulaiman thing I never thought about gamblers protecting their bets. Good one.
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Dan
I heard Douglas say that he netted 800 dollars for that fight.King and Sulaiman probably had a million down on Tyson in some book in the Caiman Islands. If they ever drained boxing's swamp they'd make another ocean. Take care pal

[Ambling Alp II]

If you just sit back and judge the Tyson-Douglas fight, it is interesting to score. Except for the knockdown, Tyson did not win a round convincingly. Some of the rounds Douglas won clearly and some were close. If you give Tyson all the close rounds it's actually a pretty close fight.

[tiny_acres]

If you just sit back and judge the Tyson-Douglas fight, it is interesting to score. Except for the knockdown, Tyson did not win a round convincingly. Some of the rounds Douglas won clearly and some were close. If you give Tyson all the close rounds it's actually a pretty close fight.

But only if you give Tyson the benefit of every doubt in those closer rounds.
I just could not come up with any way possible for Tyson being ahead at the time of the stoppage.
But I sure enjoyed that fight and watch it at least once a year since it happened.

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I scored Patterson-Ellis sometime back but can't find my card, so I sat down once again and enjoyed these two small (by todays standards) heavys that should shame these behemoths of today. Here we go, on a rounds scoring basis that was employed.

Round 1: Ellis
Round 2: Patterson
Round 3: Ellis
Round 4: Patterson
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Patterson
Round 7: Patterson
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Ellis
Round 10: Patterson
Round 11: Ellis
Round 12: Ellis
Round 13: Patterson
Round 14: Patterson
Round 15: Ellis

Total: 8-6-1 Patterson

I should mention a couple of things about referee Harold Valan. First, not scoring the 14th a knockdown for Patterson was irrelevant, because he did score the round for Patterson and on a rounds basis Patterson wasn't going to get any extra points anyway. I do feel it was a knockdown and Ellis can be seen shaking his head in order to clear the cobwebs. You don't do that after a slip. I do agree with what Valan said at the end, that Patterson wasn't throwing enough punches. I feel he threw enough, but his workrate could have been better. Considering his age, it is what it is, and still a monumental performance.

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I don't normally sit through a grainy film as so much can be lost on perception. However, this was ...OK. Jesus Pimental vs. Jose Medel over 10 rounds, California scoring. One point for a round, none for even rounds and an extra point for a knockdown.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Medel
Round 3: Medel
Round 4: Pimental (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Pimental
Round 6: Pimental (on the film this was an abbreviated round so I had to take a leap of faith on what I had seen)
Round 7: Medel
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Medel (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 10: Pimental

Total: 6-5 Medel

Actual scores were 7-4 (twice) and 8-6 all for Medel. Not only was this fight hard-banging it was a pleasure watching the traps Medel was setting along the ropes. He had a sharp, speedy jab and was a killer counter-puncher. Pimental's jab was hard and not so speedy, but his power was evident. Damn good fight and I would have loved to have been at ringside. The sound of these bombs they were throwing had to be sublime.

[Ambling Alp II]

I scored Patterson-Ellis sometime back but can't find my card, so I sat down once again and enjoyed these two small (by todays standards) heavys that should shame these behemoths of today. Here we go, on a rounds scoring basis that was employed.

Round 1: Ellis
Round 2: Patterson
Round 3: Ellis
Round 4: Patterson
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Patterson
Round 7: Patterson
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Ellis
Round 10: Patterson
Round 11: Ellis
Round 12: Ellis
Round 13: Patterson
Round 14: Patterson
Round 15: Ellis

Total: 8-6-1 Patterson

I should mention a couple of things about referee Harold Valan. First, not scoring the 14th a knockdown for Patterson was irrelevant, because he did score the round for Patterson and on a rounds basis Patterson wasn't going to get any extra points anyway. I do feel it was a knockdown and Ellis can be seen shaking his head in order to clear the cobwebs. You don't do that after a slip. I do agree with what Valan said at the end, that Patterson wasn't throwing enough punches. I feel he threw enough, but his workrate could have been better. Considering his age, it is what it is, and still a monumental performance.

I compared the scores and the ref (and sole judge) gave Ellis the 6th and 7th rounds. Also gave him the 5th which you had for even.
I only saw this fight once, and one of the rounds was missing for some reason. Very close fight. Hard to believe, but this was the only world title fight he had that went the distance.
Would have been something if Patterson had won the title for the third time.

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I just watched a terrific 10 rounder from Madison Square Garden. The first fight between Benny 'Kid' Paret and Gaspar Ortega. Let me tell you, wow! NY rounds basis.

Round 1: Even (This was Paret's round by a shade, but Ortega pulled it even with an amazing flurry in the last 10 seconds)
Round 2: Ortega
Round 3: Ortega
Round 4: Ortega
Round 5: Ortega
Round 6: Ortega
Round 7: Paret
Round 8: Ortega
Round 9: Paret
Round 10: Even

Total: 6-2-2 Ortega

Actual scores were 6-4 and 5-4-1 for Ortega and 6-4 for Paret. And believe me every round was close. I think the best round was the first, but in the 10th, they just laid their heads on one another and banged away for 3 minutes. Great fight and this mere 10 rounder would put 'championship' fights today to shame. Again, close fight and its what you prefer. Paret's heavier punching or the busier style of Ortega.

[Seamus]

Steve Collins vs Nigel Benn II

R1.10-9 SC
R2.10-9 NB
R3.10-9 NB
R4.10-9 SC
R5.9-9 Even (1 pt deducted from Collins for headbutt)
R6.10-9 SC

Steve Collins TKO 6 after Benn's corner stops fight at the end of the round.

Steve Collins get's tagged with some hard shots but takes them well and begins scoring well inside of Benn's wide shots. Good corner stoppage as I don't think was going to go more than 1-2 more rounds.

[gregor]

Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.

I think if bets were at 42 to one, then putting 100k would give them 100k/42 ≈ 2400$...

[dagosd2000]

Wow!I never knew that about the Asian judges. But there were guys putting up 100,000 dollars on Tyson to clear 4200 bucks at 42 to 1 thinking it was a sure bet.

I think if bets were at 42 to one, then putting 100k would give them 100k/42 ≈ 2400$...

I stand corrected.i was never very good with math.