John Mugabi versus Nigel Benn

[jamamb]

mugabi is so overrated

[jamamb]

Benn's win over McClellan is far above anything Mugabi accomplished. McClellan also incidently beat Mugabi easily

lol no kidding, are these guys seriously trying to act like benn isnt more accomplished

mugabi was a super welter and his best win of note is fuk all. he got stopped vs every notable opponent he faced and didnt last a full round with mcclellan (benn victim) or norris. ya was brave vs hagler but well beaten and stopped, same as vit vs lewis. even benn stopping barkley is better then anything mugabi won.

fine if you somehow see smaller chinny john as winning a head to head, but ffs hes not a guy to play the accomplishments card with, totally bizarre that some are getting condscending in acting like hes more accomplished

[Syntax Error]

mugabi is so overrated

I get a bit nonplussed when people big up fighters on the back of defeats.

A similar thing happened with Razor Ruddock after his two defeats to Tyson: His stock somehow became enhanced.

This now appears to be the case with Mugabi who did fight well against Hagler, but like I have already said, a badly faded Hagler who had no speed left.

The Hagler of 1980 would have pulverised Mugabi pretty comfortably.

I'm still on the fence about Benn/Mugabi, but I can't see how him getting battered and stopped as a way of justifying picking him over Benn.

[oogiebe]

Benn's win over McClellan is far above anything Mugabi accomplished. McClellan also incidently beat Mugabi easily

Not so sure Benn's win over McClellan means much, as Gerald was in a crisis.

[jamamb]

what crisis?

[Bodyshot3]

Benn's famously hot-head was both a curse and a blessing and might have been a big factor in this fight as well.

There was often a very line indeed between Nigel hitting very hard and shocking opponents with his intense aggression, confidence and work-rate.....and getting things wrong and taking far too many clean shots and failing to pace himself.

I was massive Benn fan - followed him from the start - and that tightrope he walked was always a factor. It also made him a must watch fighter as well.

Personally, I think Nigel would be 'sorted' and very aware of what Mugabi could do.....and this might be one of those nights where he boxed aggressively but without the self-defeating red mist descending either.

Either way....a great fight

[dr_devious]

This was typified in his fight against Anthony Logan. If Mugabi got him going like Logan did I don't think Nigel would survive but if he fought with some regards to defense then he'd get the job done.

[oogiebe]

what crisis?

Um, his health. He was affected early rounds on, IMHO.

[jamamb]

oh i see, but benn did that to him, like a guy who gets hit in the wrong spot and gets knocked out, i dont see how you can possibly say it doesnt mean much when benn basically beat him to life long injury, thats almost as destructive as it gets without actually killing a guy

[Ambling Alp II]

mugabi is so overrated

I get a bit nonplussed when people big up fighters on the back of defeats.

A similar thing happened with Razor Ruddock after his two defeats to Tyson: His stock somehow became enhanced.

This now appears to be the case with Mugabi who did fight well against Hagler, but like I have already said, a badly faded Hagler who had no speed left.

The Hagler of 1980 would have pulverised Mugabi pretty comfortably.

I'm still on the fence about Benn/Mugabi, but I can't see how him getting battered and stopped as a way of justifying picking him over Benn.

I think a fighter can actually improve his stock legitimately with a loss. If he puts in a better than expected performance against a great fighter, then naturally his stock will go up.
As for the Hagler fight-Few people was saying after the fight that Hagler looked bad. It was considered a great fight at the time. Mugabi held his own against Hagler and gave him a tough fight.

Only revisonist history has changed the narrative where Hagler was badly faded. He wasn't.
And Nigel Benn would not have been that competitive with Hagler in 1986.

Mugabi looked better than Benn in several fights before fighting Hagler.

[oogiebe]

oh i see, but benn did that to him, like a guy who gets hit in the wrong spot and gets knocked out, i dont see how you can possibly say it doesnt mean much when benn basically beat him to life long injury, thats almost as destructive as it gets without actually killing a guy

We don't know for sure if he was already injured and just needed that sort of bout, or just the right punch. No sense arguing.

[jamamb]

huh, so you think he had a brain bleed entering the ring or something? he looked totally fine in his fights before and i dont see how you can possibly discount that win without doing that same to ever other.

maybe when so and so was knocked out, they had been hit hard in sparring etc

[jamamb]

mugabi was a junior middle who hardly did anything, lots of wins over non descript opposition though and a beatdown loss to a great (plus a bunch of other ko losses whenever he faced top opp)

massively overinflated reputation

[paddy chavez]

what crisis?

Um, his health. He was affected early rounds on, IMHO.

His head was throbbing early on , to be honest I'm surprised at the credit Benn gets from many for that fight he showed lot's of guys of course but Gerald was troubled long before the end

[Duran1970]

NO fighter was the same after fighting Hagler

[jamamb]

why wouldnt benn get credit? gerald didnt get brain damaged from himself. benn was hitting him and doing serious damage. you hit a guy and cause a bad injury just like you hit a guy and ko him

totally bizarre

[paddy chavez]

mugabi was a junior middle who hardly did anything, lots of wins over non descript opposition though and a beatdown loss to a great (plus a bunch of other ko losses whenever he faced top opp)

massively overinflated reputation

In world terms what did Benn do ? Barkley was a good win but he had lost his 2 previous fights going into it other than that Benn Never beat anyone above British/European level

[jamamb]

his previous fight was an md loss to nunn and he knocked out hearns shortly after, he was still a good fighter and you cant just discount wins

and of course he knocked out mcclellan too, who iced mugabi in 1. crazy if you think it shouldnt count because benn gave mclellan brain damage

and mugabis wins that match these? hes a totally overrated 154 pounder

[oogiebe]

what crisis?

Um, his health. He was affected early rounds on, IMHO.

His head was throbbing early on , to be honest I'm surprised at the credit Benn gets from many for that fight he showed lot's of guys of course but Gerald was troubled long before the end

Yup and he was asking out of the bout in his corner and they prodded him on and on.

[Ambling Alp II]

mugabi was a junior middle who hardly did anything, lots of wins over non descript opposition though and a beatdown loss to a great (plus a bunch of other ko losses whenever he faced top opp)

massively overinflated reputation

That wasn't a beatdown loss to Hagler. He gave Hagler all Hagler could handle. Benn's victim list is not much more impressive than Mugabi's.

[jamamb]

ya, wouldve been much better if hed just taken a retirement loss on the stool then continued on

[jamamb]

mugabi was a junior middle who hardly did anything, lots of wins over non descript opposition though and a beatdown loss to a great (plus a bunch of other ko losses whenever he faced top opp)

massively overinflated reputation

That wasn't a beatdown loss to Hagler. He gave Hagler all Hagler could handle. Benn's victim list is not much more impressive than Mugabi's.

benn knocked out mclellan and barkley, ill just throw those two

so what did mugabi do better then this? since we are mocking that benn is more accomplished....

mugabis was a decent but nothing special junior middle who always lost when he stepped up

[paddy chavez]

why wouldnt benn get credit? gerald didnt get brain damaged from himself. benn was hitting him and doing serious damage. you hit a guy and cause a bad injury just like you hit a guy and ko him

totally bizarre

Benn was getting destroyed then gerrald had a brain bleed these are normally an existing weakness ,Benn never once hurt gerrald he just got injured

[jamamb]

he got injured by benns fists and loads of injuries dont happen because the guy had a pre existing brain problem. again, its just like if one guy happened to land a ko punch. benn withstood the storm and then beatdown and badly injured gerald. so bizarre that now it doesnt count

[Ambling Alp II]

You threw out those two because there isn't anything else. Yes, Barkley beat Hearns, he also lost a ton of fights. Are you going to give credit to everyone that beat Iran Barkley? Beating Brakley isn't exactly a big deal,