Joe Joyce vs. Bermane Stiverne - February 23, 2019

[jamamb]

could be, not like joe fought much , i think hell just get pummeled though

[oogiebe]

could be, not like joe fought much , i think hell just get pummeled though

Should be. I can't see Stiverne 'finding' anything at this point.

[oogiebe]

Well, I hope it's a staged fight, because if they would really fight seriously in anger Joyce would most likely kill him.

I think even Eddie Hearn himself would win against Stiverne nowadays.

But Don King said Stiverne would knock him out!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Well, I hope it's a staged fight, because if they would really fight seriously in anger Joyce would most likely kill him.

I think even Eddie Hearn himself would win against Stiverne nowadays.

But Don King said Stiverne would knock him out!

Read that. King is ‘trying’ to sell the fight. So if Stiverne. Truth is.. we all so what happened.

[oogiebe]

Well, I hope it's a staged fight, because if they would really fight seriously in anger Joyce would most likely kill him.

I think even Eddie Hearn himself would win against Stiverne nowadays.

But Don King said Stiverne would knock him out!

Read that. King is ‘trying’ to sell the fight. So if Stiverne. Truth is.. we all so what happened.

King is a greedy animal who I've hated for near 45 years. How many lives has he ruined, we'll never know for sure. I do know he helped wreck a young Mike Tyson among others.

[Onetimeonly]

Mike Tyson wrecked Mike Tyson. Even before king cus would let him get away with anything.

[oogiebe]

Mike Tyson wrecked Mike Tyson. Even before king cus would let him get away with anything.

True on Cus, but Cus and Jacobs gave him structure. He fell completely apart after Jacobs passed and King swooped in. Of course I believe Mike has to take responsibility, but King is a snake.

[Onetimeonly]

Mike Tyson wrecked Mike Tyson. Even before king cus would let him get away with anything.

True on Cus, but Cus and Jacobs gave him structure. He fell completely apart after Jacobs passed and King swooped in. Of course I believe Mike has to take responsibility, but King is a snake.

He trained hard, but his life wasn't structured. They just covered for him best they could.

[Best Coast]

Mike Tyson wrecked Mike Tyson. Even before king cus would let him get away with anything.

Absolutely agree. Holyfield saw the lack of mental toughness in Tyson as far back as 1984 when both were amateurs in the Olympic training camp. (Holy as the Trials winner at 178 pounds and Tyson as the alternate to Henry Tillman at 200 pounds.) That's why Holyfield said before their 1st fight in 1996 "Tyson is a bully and if you stand up to a bully he backs down". In this article 2 of their Olympic teammates (Jerry Page & Paul Gonzalez) confirm the story Evander told many times in the lead-up to Tyson-Holyfield I.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwba ... rge-willis

No one paid homage to Tyson. Respect had to be earned. "At that stage you hear about different guys, but because of your own mentality and your own swag, you're not really about being a fan of anybody," Page said. Tyson kept to himself mostly, as did Holyfield, who wasn't always easy to read. Most of the fighters had come from tough urban cities, East L.A., Philadelphia, Detroit, Brooklyn, places like that. Holyfield was from the South, though no one was eager to test him because of the snarl that seemed permanently etched on his face. It was the kind of look that put others on the defensive, unsure whether Holyfield was simply in a bad mood or looking for conflict.

"He always had this look like he wanted to fight," Gonzales said. "I remember Pernell looked at him and said, ‘I don't know if I should smile at you or fight you.' He's just looking at you with his eyes and just staring right through you. You would assume that he wants to fight you. But that's just the way Holy is."

Sometimes the snarl wasn't meant to be friendly. Having that many fighters housed together for that long of a time was a recipe for some intense showdowns. Two of the most memorable involved Tyson and Holyfield. The first occurred when Pat Nappi, the head coach of the U.S. Olympic Boxing team, wanted someone to spar with Tyson, who was brutalizing his other sparring partners. Though competing in a lower weight class, Holyfield volunteered.

According to onlookers, their battle was so ferocious Nappi had to stop the sparring after the first round. Twelve years later, as Holyfield prepared to face Tyson for the first time as a pro, he would refer back to that sparring session, telling a confidant: "I whooped his ass. He ain't ever forgot that and I ain't ever forgot that."

Tyson doesn't recall much from the sparring session, only that "I think he hurt his arm. He wasn't feeling well."

Their second showdown wasn't physical, but just as intense. It happened over a pool table. Tyson had control of the table until he scratched while trying to make the eight ball. He wasn't happy, believing that he hadn't really lost the match. Tyson was reluctant to yield to the next player: Holyfield.

Holding a cue stick, Tyson dug out the cue ball and stood as if he wasn't going anywhere. That prompted Holyfield to grab his own cue stick and stare at Tyson with the Holyfield snarl.

The stand-off may have lasted five seconds, but it seemed like five minutes of not knowing whether the two chiseled athletes were going to brawl right then and there. "F--- it," Tyson said, throwing his cue stick and the cue ball on the table before heading back to his room.

To this day, Tyson says he has no recollection of their showdown over a pool table. "I don't know nothing about that," he said. But Holyfield felt he'd scored a huge psychological victory. "I'm not scared of him and he knows I'm not scared of him," Holyfield said to himself. Even then, Holyfield was confident he could take Tyson in the ring.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[joshj909]

I'm now praying for a Stiverne hall mary KO in the first round.

[oogiebe]

I'm now praying for a Stiverne hall mary KO in the first round.

I don't know if I would be able to stop laughing if that happens!

[jamamb]

I'm now praying for a Stiverne hall mary KO in the first round.

lol why, then you just get big fat bermane in that wba regular mix

[Ruthless-RKO]

[joshj909]

I'm now praying for a Stiverne hall mary KO in the first round.

lol why, then you just get big fat bermane in that wba regular mix

Purely out of spite because they're creating a new title and fast-tracking - either 'a seven fight novice who's best win is Lenroy Thomas? Joe Hanks? Kiladze?' or 'a 40 year old who has had 1 fight in 4 years and lost it in the first round' - to a title-shot with the hope that Joyce will win though neither in reality have earned the opportunity. They don't even rank Stiverne so why put this new made up title on the line when there are more deserving contenders in their top 15?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Stiverne looking great as usual.

270 odd pounds!!

[oogiebe]

Stiverne is a fat thug. Looks soft too! Easy pickings for Slo-Joe.

[Tony1244]

Stiverne looking great as usual.

270 odd pounds!!

Stiverne is pointing at the winner.
Can we all say "payday?"

[Eolaithe]

Stiverne is a disgrace. He's only turned up for the pay cheque.



Here's how Stiverne looked for the first fight against Wilder:


The Haitian has not just put weight on, but he's also lost all his athleticism. He's completely out-of-shape.

His lack of exercise has clearly resulted in muscle atrophy.

[SenorPipino]

Stiverne claimed recently that he was now focused and taking boxing seriously.

Then he weighs in looking like the Black Butterbean.

Obviously just there to pick up some badly needed money and fall down quickly.

A travesty.

[Ruthless-RKO]

What did he weigh in the Wilder rematch?

[Joel2]

Something is wrong if Joyce doesn't dispatch of this fat lump easily

[tiny_acres]

Something is wrong if Joyce doesn't dispatch of this fat lump easily

I have been saying this since the fight was announced.
The fight is a joke

[SenorPipino]

What did he weigh in the Wilder rematch?

About 255.

Stiverne scaled 239 for Wilder l.

Claimed he didn't have adequate time to train and drop weight for the rematch.

What's Stiverne's excuse for this one?

[oogiebe]

I don't recall seeing a more lopsided poll. I'm shocked anyone would've seriously picked Bum-lame.