Joe Joyce vs. Bermane Stiverne - February 23, 2019

[lazboy]

Joyce is very limited - it really shows that he started boxing at age 22. He was essentially punching a punching bag that wasn’t moving as much as a punching bag and was softer to land on.

[Eolaithe]

Joe Joyce is a terrible fighter. He has no head movement and he can't punch either. Bermane Stiverne should also have his licence stripped from him. Professional fighters should enter the ring in such appalling condition and nor should they be allowed to adopt a defensively irresponsible approach.

[Cyclops]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

They better hurry up before he loses to someone who can box.

Yeah, his gameplan wouldn't work on world level guys and also seen the fight with Uysk in WBS where he was schooled.

Yup, and I'm not sure how much better he is today.

Oogie am I going to have to row with you on current scene about this too? You know the WSB fight between Usyk and Joyce was in 2013, right? And Usyk had already won an olympic gold and was much more seasoned and decorated? That was the fight that made me think Joyce was going to blossom into something special, because he never stopped coming and he never looked hurt and he gave Usyk, who I rate very very highly, a fight despite dropping every round. It wasn't a schooling. You don't know what a schooling is.

We'll see as things move on, eh?

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

They better hurry up before he loses to someone who can box.

Yeah, his gameplan wouldn't work on world level guys and also seen the fight with Uysk in WBS where he was schooled.

Yup, and I'm not sure how much better he is today.

Oogie am I going to have to row with you on current scene about this too? You know the WSB fight between Usyk and Joyce was in 2013, right? And Usyk had already won an olympic gold and was much more seasoned and decorated? That was the fight that made me think Joyce was going to blossom into something special, because he never stopped coming and he never looked hurt and he gave Usyk, who I rate very very highly, a fight despite dropping every round. It wasn't a schooling. You don't know what a schooling is.

We'll see as things move on, eh?

We will know within 18 months or so.

[Cyclops]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

[Cyclops]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

They better hurry up before he loses to someone who can box.

Yeah, his gameplan wouldn't work on world level guys and also seen the fight with Uysk in WBS where he was schooled.

Yup, and I'm not sure how much better he is today.

Oogie am I going to have to row with you on current scene about this too? You know the WSB fight between Usyk and Joyce was in 2013, right? And Usyk had already won an olympic gold and was much more seasoned and decorated? That was the fight that made me think Joyce was going to blossom into something special, because he never stopped coming and he never looked hurt and he gave Usyk, who I rate very very highly, a fight despite dropping every round. It wasn't a schooling. You don't know what a schooling is.

We'll see as things move on, eh?

We will know within 18 months or so.

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

[tiny_acres]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

I agree, but it doesn't say much. Charr is marginal.

[gilgamesh]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

Neither are very meaningful. At least Charr would be in shape. I'd think Charr would be more challenging.

[gilgamesh]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

Neither are very meaningful. At least Charr would be in shape. I'd think Charr would be more challenging.

I don't see how. Charr has never been Top 20.

[jujigatame]

Is Joe Joyce actually thought of as a serious HW prospect? Because from where I'm sitting he looks like a British Seth Mitchell.

[tiny_acres]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

I find it funny how everyone said Stiverne couldn't beat a top 50 fighter after his ko loss to Wilder.
Now he was a good test for Joyce and predictions he'd beat Charr.
Some times I think this place is the twilight zone.

[tiny_acres]

Is Joe Joyce actually thought of as a serious HW prospect? Because from where I'm sitting he looks like a British Seth Mitchell.

spot on

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

Neither are very meaningful. At least Charr would be in shape. I'd think Charr would be more challenging.

I don't see how. Charr has never been Top 20.

Based on how each of them is now, assuming Charr will train for that fight. Stiverne was in horrible shape; hasn't fought; hasn't trained; hasn't done shvt.

[oogiebe]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

I find it funny how everyone said Stiverne couldn't beat a top 50 fighter after his ko loss to Wilder.
Now he was a good test for Joyce and predictions he'd beat Charr.
Some times I think this place is the twilight zone.

It's ridiculous, I agree.

[gilgamesh]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

I find it funny how everyone said Stiverne couldn't beat a top 50 fighter after his ko loss to Wilder.
Now he was a good test for Joyce and predictions he'd beat Charr.
Some times I think this place is the twilight zone.

Stiverne on his worst day is still better than any Charr I've ever seen personally. So it's more of a comment on how sh*tty Charr is than Stiverne being some great test.

[tiny_acres]

Good win for Joyce!! Very patient and took some good shots with his tough chin.

At his age do you think his handlers will try to get Joe a world title shot before 2019 is over?

Not until 2020.

He needs to keep stepping up the competition. He'll beat Manny Charr, if you count that as title shot.

Clopi!!! If he gets that far! (JK!) He beats Charr with ease. He gets exposed the first time he faces a top 15 ranked fighter. I'm sure you and I will debate this over and over again until one of us proven right. cheers!

I think Joyce vs Charr is a decent test.
By far Joyce's toughest opponent.

Stiverne was more of a test than Charr would be. He'd dispatch Charr inside 3 or 4.

I find it funny how everyone said Stiverne couldn't beat a top 50 fighter after his ko loss to Wilder.
Now he was a good test for Joyce and predictions he'd beat Charr.
Some times I think this place is the twilight zone.

Stiverne on his worst day is still better than any Charr I've ever seen personally. So it's more of a comment on how sh*tty Charr is than Stiverne being some great test.

Stiverne's best performances
2 wins over Areola
And a damn near shit out loss to Master boxer Wilder

Gilgamesh I usually agree with your opinion but you are completely wrong on this.
Charr is far from great but he's a consistent fighter. Stiverne had never been consistent.

I'd pick Charr over Stiverne at any stage of their careers

[gilgamesh]

Charr has more wins against kinda ho-hum, but mildly recognizable names, but sadly I don't think he has a win as good as Stiverne's wins over Arreola, and again this is not saying these are great wins for Stiverne, just saying that Charr has nothing better.

Maybe a few that are close to even with it I guess. Like Kevin Johnson and Ustinov, but he's also been knocked out by Mairis Breidis, and lost a decision to Helenius who is barely Top 20 at this point, but still ranked a little better at the time he beat Charr.

There's never been a time when I would've ranked Charr as a Top 20 Heavyweight. Ever.

Stiverne was at least Top 10 for a brief while, and did ok against Wilder in the 1st bout when he kinda sorta gave a sh*t about his fitness.

Pointless argument anyway. They both lose by knockout to Joyce, and I doubt they ever fight each other.

I personally hope they find someone better to match Joyce against than Charr, but considering he's still so early in his Pro career in terms of fights under his belt Charr is still a reasonable level for now. I'd just like to see someone that would be a bit more compelling.

[jamamb]

charr had a competitive fight with that midget cruiser fury came back against

and look at how he won a 7-5ish fight over ustinov whereas hunter pounded ustinov every round then ko him

his biggest highlight reel moment was being knocked silly by briedis. gatekeeper duhaupas was too much for him

i dunno who wins him vs shot stiv, but charrs not good and joyce would beat him up, still i think charr for the wba regular would be a good fight for joyce

[DrDuke]

Stiverne was superfat and completely out of shape, what had been expected, but still he managed to provide some counteraction early. He was actually trying even to fight back, until he tired, what was early enough though. Joyce's performance wasn't convincing at all. A lot expected him to KTFO Stiverne in the 1st or so and Joyce wasn't even able to score an actual KO, while he was eating quite some amount of unnecessary shots early. I guess, prime Stiverne would have probably been able to catch Joyce with some good stuff. Joyce's mobility and workrate look decent, but he's careless.

[candyslim]

I think if anyone comes out of this Joyce v Stiverne fight looking better it's probably Deontay Wilder

Actually I was surprised by how much resistance Stiverne put up. He might not have been in good shape but he tried to make a fight of it, and wasn't looking for a nice soft spot on the canvas. He was much better than I was expecting.

Joyce? Didn't set the world alight, and won't have enhanced any reputation he may have enjoyed as a puncher. I'd like to see him fight Miller. They both have good work rate and good stamina, like to pressure their opponent, and probably would be able to soak up the other's best shots.

It could be interesting and I think Joyce might be forced to adopt a back-foot strategy as Miller uses his bulk to get the better of the short-range exchanges.

[ewenhay]

The only reason Charr ever gets mentioned is due to the minor strap he holds and that's the same reason Joyce would want to fight him.

The best thing Joyce brings is that he's something different. The more new guys that break into the top ten the better, it keeps things interesting. He may be slow and open but he's a big fit lump and will take a bit of shifting.

Joyce, Usyk and others all bring something different to the heavyweight division and that's a good thing in my book.

[Lennox]

IF you can have a good loss i suppose you can have a bad win.

That was it. JJ exposed as limited. I don't think he can beat anyone currently top 10.