opinions--will TYSON FURY fight WHYTE now or

[dickbelden]

no ?

[tiny_acres]

I don't see it happening now or ever.

[Noxy]

What's gone wrong with the rematch? I thought it was as good as on.

[candyslim]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

[Eolaithe]

Kubrat Pulev is one of Tyson Fury’s fellow Top Rank/ESPN stablemates. Dillian Whyte is a free agent, but seems to have some sort of gentleman’s agreement in place with Eddie Hearn. I can’t think of any decent top-tier heavyweights that is available to face Fury.

All the other top-ten heavyweights are aligned directly or by proxy to DAZN or the PBC. Top Rank rarely works with those boxing content providers.

I can’t imagine Bob Arum spending $103.5m for Fury to face opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Francesco Pianeta or Sefer Seferi. However, Top Rank and Queensberry don’t really have any decent heavyweights in their stable.

I’m struggling to think of a decent opponent that is available to face Tyson Fury, unless Bob Arum agrees to work with his rivals, which just seems rather unlikely to me, but I hope I’m wrong about this.

A few weeks ago, the following fights seemed certain: Fury-Wilder II; Parker-Chisora; and Whyte-Breazeale, but it seems that all three bouts have been scuppered within the last few days.

[joshj909]

Kubrat Pulev is one of Tyson Fury’s fellow Top Rank/ESPN stablemates. Dillian Whyte is a free agent, but seems to have some sort of gentleman’s agreement in place with Eddie Hearn. I can’t think of any decent top-tier heavyweights that is available to face Fury.

All the other top-ten heavyweights are aligned directly or by proxy to DAZN or the PBC. Top Rank rarely works with those boxing content providers.

I can’t imagine Bob Arum spending $103.5m for Fury to face opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Francesco Pianeta or Sefer Seferi. However, Top Rank and Queensberry don’t really have any decent heavyweights in their stable.

I’m struggling to think of a decent opponent that is available to face Tyson Fury, unless Bob Arum agrees to work with his rivals, which just seems rather unlikely to me, but I hope I’m wrong about this.

Pulev has a guaranteed title shot and career highest or second highest payday secured. Don't see why he would take the Fury fight.

There aren't any other top 10 ranked heavyweights there but a few top 25ish potentially. In terms of who else is available: Jennings is at Top Rank, other fighters who've recently boxed on top rank shows (even as opponents) are Rivas, Dimitrenko, Ruiz Jr and Parker. But I imagine this is hopeful thinking for some of these.

[candyslim]

Yes I was about to conclude my previous post with "If I were Whyte I'd be looking to fight ..." then I thought I'd leave it because it seems to me his options are severely limited - at least Wilder wants to fight Fury.

Breazeale is the obvious target for Whyte but Fury has probably opened the door for Breazeale to get his shot against Wilder. Ortiz is fighting Hammer. Povetkin most likely will face Usyk. Miller fights Joshua. Pulev will be treading water until his Joshua mandatory comes around again. Who is there available that will progress Fury's or Whyte's career and at the same time generate the revenue expected by the networks notably ESPN in Fury's case? Maybe Adam Kownacki?

[SteveO]

I think Joseph Parker would be a good call.
Parker already beat a Fury so Tyson may like to avenge that.

[Eolaithe]

Kubrat Pulev is one of Tyson Fury’s fellow Top Rank/ESPN stablemates. Dillian Whyte is a free agent, but seems to have some sort of gentleman’s agreement in place with Eddie Hearn. I can’t think of any decent top-tier heavyweights that is available to face Fury.

All the other top-ten heavyweights are aligned directly or by proxy to DAZN or the PBC. Top Rank rarely works with those boxing content providers.

I can’t imagine Bob Arum spending $103.5m for Fury to face opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Francesco Pianeta or Sefer Seferi. However, Top Rank and Queensberry don’t really have any decent heavyweights in their stable.

I’m struggling to think of a decent opponent that is available to face Tyson Fury, unless Bob Arum agrees to work with his rivals, which just seems rather unlikely to me, but I hope I’m wrong about this.

Pulev has a guaranteed title shot and career highest or second highest payday secured. Don't see why he would take the Fury fight.

There aren't any other top 10 ranked heavyweights there but a few top 25ish potentially. In terms of who else is available: Jennings is at Top Rank, other fighters who've recently boxed on top rank shows (even as opponents) are Rivas, Dimitrenko, Ruiz Jr and Parker. But I imagine this is hopeful thinking for some of these.

I agree with you about Pulev probably preferring to wait for his highly-lucrative title shot rather than facing Tyson Fury for a potentially smaller payday.

However, ESPN have paid an awful lot of money to televise the Gypsy King’s fights and the Brit must face someone decent to justify his price tag. So, they might consider paying the Bulgarian a big enough purse to persuade him to sacrifice his mandatory title challenger status.

Oscar Rivas and Andy Ruiz Jr. are both PBC fighters. Bob Arum and Al Haymon rarely work with each other unless huge sums are involved.

Top Rank scuppered the Wilder-Fury rematch, so the PBC might retaliate by refusing to allow their fighters to compete on any events televised by ESPN. This is simply speculation on my part, but we’ve all seen this happen before.

Dimitrenko might be available to face Fury, but he’s not rated very highly. Also, Alexander’s promoter (ECB) is a partner with Sauerland, who have their own agreement in place with Matchroom. I’m not saying Eddie Hearn controls Dimitrenko, because he doesn’t, but this political situation could prove to be problematic.

Joseph Parker is a possibility, especially considering the Kiwi’s bout against Dereck Chisora has seemingly fallen through, but Duco Events seems to have some sort of business ties with Matchroom. So a fight between Fury and Parker is a distinct possibility, but David Higgins may be persuaded to reject the fight by Eddie Hearn.

Whatever happens, Parker won’t take the Fury fight if Top Rank doesn’t pay him a huge payday, because otherwise, the Kiwi could earn similar sums against less-risky fighters affiliated to Matchroom.

[candyslim]

Yes but Parker has just lost to two UK fighters. I don't think the hat-trick will hold much appeal.

I think Joe needs to re-establish himself with someone a little more taxing than Alex Flores. I thought Chisora would have been perfect but Higgins was bitching about Chisora training while dragging out the negotiation until Parker has insufficient time to prepare. Here's an idea David: Don't pull Joe out the fight. Get Joe to start training before negotiations are complete as Chisora is (was) doing.

I can't help thinking if this is an issue than Parker's team need to have a bit more faith in him.

[joshj909]

I agree with you about Pulev probably preferring to wait for his highly-lucrative title shot rather than facing Tyson Fury for a potentially smaller payday.

However, ESPN have paid an awful lot of money to televise the Gypsy King’s fights and the Brit must face someone decent to justify his price tag. So, they might be able to pay the Bulgarian a big enough purse to persuade him to sacrifice his mandatory title challenger status.

Oscar Rivas and Andy Ruiz Jr. are both PBC fighters. Bob Arum and Al Haymon rarely work with each other unless huge sums are involved.

Top Rank scuppered the Wilder-Fury rematch, so the PBC might retaliate by refusing to allow their fighters to compete on any events televised by ESPN. This is simply speculation on my part, but we’ve all seen this happen before.

Dimitrenko might be available to face Fury, but he’s not rated very highly. Also, Alexander’s promoter (ECB) is a partner with Sauerland, who have their own agreement in place with Matchroom. I’m not saying Eddie Hearn controls Dimitrenko, because he doesn’t, but this political situation could prove to be a barrier preventing this bout from being made.

Joseph Parker is a possibility, especially considering the Kiwi’s bout against Dereck Chisora has seemingly fallen through, but Duco Events seems to have some sort of business ties with Matchroom. So a fight between Fury and Parker is a distinct possibility, but David Higgins may be persuaded to reject the fight by Eddie Hearn.

Whatever happens, Parker won’t take the Fury fight if Top Rank doesn’t pay him a huge payday, because the otherwise, the Kiwi could earn similar sums against less-risky fighters affiliated to Matchroom.

I forgot Ruiz recently signed with PBC but Rivas did just fight on a Top Rank card as an opponent while still affiliated with PBC. He would make more money vs Fury than against Jennings aswell. But again, it does depend if Haymon acts bitter about the rematch falling through.

Dimitrenko was more of a suggestion as the kind of opponent they can bring in with more ease as there didn't seem to be any issue bringing him in against Jennings. I don't rate him too highly either.

With regard to Parker, he seems everybody's favourite for Fury's next fight. Duco co-promotes all his fights so his affiliation with Matchroom seems to be out of financial convenience and Chisora would be the only fight remaining worth his time so cutting his losses wouldnt be the end of the world for him.

[Oiky]

I'm not sure who he'll fight next tbh but can't see it being whyte

[dickbelden]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

TYSON FURY is being offered 50/50 for the rematch. ---but FURY says he wants the fight to marinate.

[Eolaithe]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

TYSON FURY is being offered 50/50 for the rematch. ---but FURY says he wants the fight to marinate.

Surely you mean Bob Arum? The Top Rank boss has retiterated this point time-and-time again.

[candyslim]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

TYSON FURY is being offered 50/50 for the rematch. ---but FURY says he wants the fight to marinate.

I think that's Bob Arum. He's just invested big money on Fury. I guess he doesn't want to risk all on the first throw of the dice.

[dickbelden]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

TYSON FURY is being offered 50/50 for the rematch. ---but FURY says he wants the fight to marinate.

Surely you mean Bob Arum? The Top Rank boss has retiterated this point time-and-time again.

TYSON FURY himself is now in agreement with bob arum on this. https://fightnews.com/wbc-wilder-fury-r ... -now/40473

[Eolaithe]

I think Tyson's deal with ESPN has scuppered the re-match at least for the forseeable. I think Fury is quite happy with how he is perceived following the Wilder fight, and I think he feels rightly or wrongly that he's worth 50/50 for any re-match.

So Dillian whyte against Tyson Fury? Dillian has recently started using his brain rather than his heart in considering opponents which is why I don't think he wanted to fight Joshua, money and re-match clauses just a smoke screen. Don't forget he is now a UK PPV star in his own right, and that might not survive another defeat by Joshua, which even Dillian must know is not an unlikely outcome.

For the same reason if I were Whyte I'd give Fury a swerve. The man is just too long, too mobile, too awkward, he's all wrong for Whyte. No point rejecting a Joshua payday to then go and lose to Fury.

TYSON FURY is being offered 50/50 for the rematch. ---but FURY says he wants the fight to marinate.

Surely you mean Bob Arum? The Top Rank boss has retiterated this point time-and-time again.

TYSON FURY himself is now in agreement with bob arum on this. https://fightnews.com/wbc-wilder-fury-r ... -now/40473

$103.5m is very persuasive.

If Bob Arum paid me 10% of that amount, I'd agree with him about anything also.

[DrDuke]

I was sure, that Fury-Wilder II is on. I was sure about Joshua-Whyte II as well. But now we know, that both Fury and Whyte will fight someone else. After such a turn anything can happen really.