Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:36

What do you think ?

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:40

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 16:36 What do you think ?

Sure. He's a big strong guy and maybe he gives Loma trouble.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:43

As a fan, I say yes

If I'm Gervonta's manager, I say no

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:52

No.

Needs more seasoning to tackle Lomachenko and win.

Plus it's a rise in weight.

Don't see much reason to rush him and spoil him. He's just 24.

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:46

Id like to see it happen soon. Even if he wee to lose it shouldnt hurt his stock. Better to have that first loss against a fighter like Loma in his prime than get stunned by a lesser fighter. If hes destined to be great he will be regardless of a loss to Loma.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:47

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 17:46 Id like to see it happen soon. Even if he wee to lose it shouldnt hurt his stock. Better to have that first loss against a fighter like Loma in his prime than get stunned by a lesser fighter. If hes destined to be great he will be regardless of a loss to Loma.

Excellent !

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:49

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 17:46 Id like to see it happen soon. Even if he wee to lose it shouldnt hurt his stock. Better to have that first loss against a fighter like Loma in his prime than get stunned by a lesser fighter. If hes destined to be great he will be regardless of a loss to Loma.

No shame in losing to arguably the best P4P fighter in the world.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:50

tbh i really think hed have a good shot vs loma, hes a great talent who would have speed and power on loma and i think wouldnt be afraid to let his hands go. of course it may be a totally different matter in the ring, but i dont think loma is levels above, this shouldnt be treated as though its anything resembling a sure thing for loma

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 28 Feb 2019, 18:28

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 17:46 Id like to see it happen soon. Even if he wee to lose it shouldnt hurt his stock. Better to have that first loss against a fighter like Loma in his prime than get stunned by a lesser fighter. If hes destined to be great he will be regardless of a loss to Loma.

+1 I dont get that obessions for perfect records. And i dont get that "he is too young" stuff too. You are world champion? that mean you are ready to face top oponents. If you dont want that, then go find another job. Too much talking and too little fighting in modern boxing.

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 28 Feb 2019, 19:47

that would be poor match making the kid was born in 1994 - give him time we as boxing fans are very impatient !

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 28 Feb 2019, 20:27

He's a fighter. No reason why he shouldn't. If he loses, so what? That's what's wrong with boxers today. What if Tommy Hearns thought it was too soon to face Sugar Ray Leonard?

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 28 Feb 2019, 20:32

kbackup408 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 19:47 that would be poor match making the kid was born in 1994 - give him time we as boxing fans are very impatient !

No, he's a fighter. He's the champion. Champions fight the best. Dude will be 25 this year. Floyd was 24 when he fought Corrales, Leonard 24 when he fought Duran, 25 when he fought Hearns. Hearns was 22 when he fought Leonard, 24 when he fought Benitez, 25 when he fought Duran. 26 when he fought Hagler.

Hearns fought Leonard, Duran, and Benitez by the same age Davis is now. Davis won't even get in the ring with Tevin Farmer.

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:07

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 20:27 He's a fighter. No reason why he shouldn't. If he loses, so what? That's what's wrong with boxers today. What if Tommy Hearns thought it was too soon to face Sugar Ray Leonard?

Agree! Plus he’s a world champion now, he shouldn’t have gone for a title if he wanted to take a slow and experience building route. Fight now and again later. Challenge yourself, learn and grow. The best should fight the best.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:12

Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:17

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 21:12 Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.

But you'll never be taken seriously if you wait and wait until you're almost obsolete like Gary Russell Jr. is becoming.

You don't want to fight the best. Don't become a champion.

caldo2025 · Post by **caldo2025** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:20

Obviously we all want to see these two fight but it’s years away and no guarantee to happen before this kid ruins his life and career with bad choices.

I blame Floyd for not keeping this kid active enough. A busy fighter has always equated to a fighter with less spare time on his hands to make bad decisions.

But put yourself in Davis’s Shoes. He knows that he should be a multi millionaire by now but he’s been reigned back by THE boxer that has raked the most money ever from the ring. That’s got to be frustrating and I don’t see how they can remain aligned for much longer. Davis doesn’t need Floyd as much as Floyd needs him. Badou’s all done making money and has looked worse and worse with every outing. There’s no one else in the stable. Interesting times to watch how this pans out.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:25

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 21:12 Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.

Years ago they fought more often.

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 28 Feb 2019, 21:47

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 21:12 Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.

Just like mayweather Canelo, lomachenko is arguable the no.1 fighter on the planet. A competitive loss to him could boost Davis’s stock - merely signing to fight him could boost Davis’s stock much like Canelos.

No doubt this is a risk but even a lopsided loss could be spun by media relations given Davis’s age and size. He has many years left, many years to redeem if that word is appropriate as there’s no shame in losing to the best.

Canelo is a far better fighter and a far more popular (measured in views) fighter following his mayweather loss. If Davis is durable like a Canelo both in and out of the ring (doesn’t get blasted by lomachenko and handles the naysayers) then it’s worth considering.

Of course you won’t stop the fans clamouring for this fight - they are right. It’s a sport and seeing who’s the best, numero uno is what it’s about.

Deadendgeneration · Post by **Deadendgeneration** » 01 Mar 2019, 01:37

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 21:12 Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.

Depends who you are, who your opponent is, what extenuating circumstances there are. 23 year old Canelo got schooled by Mayweather. But Canelo was a youngster, Mayweather was a lot more experienced against elite opposition, p4p number 1 and Canelo was coming down in weight. Davis is young, much less experienced, and would be moving up in weight to take the fight. Davis can easily recover from a loss, a win and he's a much bigger name than he was before, can command a much bigger fee, can call the shots in negotiations etc.

If his management don't like his chances in this fight then they can wait for Loma to get old or move up another weight. If you think it's anything close to a 50/50 then the rewards outweigh the risks.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 01 Mar 2019, 02:15

Now or never.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 01 Mar 2019, 03:09

I like the comparison made by several commenters to a young Canelo fighting a seasoned Mayweather!! Unless Davis gets blown out early he will be in a win-win situation. A similar parallel can be drawn with Mikey Garcia facing bigger, stronger Errol Spence Jr (although Mikey is older & more experienced than Errol).

Spence is expected to win so unless Mikey gets blown out early he emerges from a loss with his reputation intact (or maybe even stronger if Garcia makes it a competitive loss/respectable showing).

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 01 Mar 2019, 04:06

Btw if only Davis and Lomachenko will making decisions, that fight will happen tomorrow. But business is business :(

Fightnight Scores · Post by **Fightnight Scores** » 01 Mar 2019, 06:10

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 18:28
Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 17:46 Id like to see it happen soon. Even if he wee to lose it shouldnt hurt his stock. Better to have that first loss against a fighter like Loma in his prime than get stunned by a lesser fighter. If hes destined to be great he will be regardless of a loss to Loma.
+1 I dont get that obessions for perfect records. And i dont get that "he is too young" stuff too. You are world champion? that mean you are ready to face top oponents. If you dont want that, then go find another job. Too much talking and too little fighting in modern boxing.

I was in the mindset of maybe a few more fights 1-2 years down the line and it could be a huge thing. But this post is spot on really!

And as someone else aluded to, there is every chance Tank does some damage to his career by out of the ring activities.

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 01 Mar 2019, 12:02

Deadendgeneration wrote: ↑01 Mar 2019, 01:37
SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 21:12 Years ago it wouldn't be a problem.

A fighter could lose on the way up and it was expected. Part of the learning process. No biggie.

But today, an upcoming boxer who's defeated is suddenly dismissed and labeled a "bum" by the fickle public.

You no longer can afford to lose if you want to be taken seriously.
Depends who you are, who your opponent is, what extenuating circumstances there are. 23 year old Canelo got schooled by Mayweather. But Canelo was a youngster, Mayweather was a lot more experienced against elite opposition, p4p number 1 and Canelo was coming down in weight. Davis is young, much less experienced, and would be moving up in weight to take the fight. Davis can easily recover from a loss, a win and he's a much bigger name than he was before, can command a much bigger fee, can call the shots in negotiations etc.

If his management don't like his chances in this fight then they can wait for Loma to get old or move up another weight. If you think it's anything close to a 50/50 then the rewards outweigh the risks.

The irony about that is Davis is likely naturally bigger than Lomachenko. Davis struggles to make 130 where Loma probably wouldn't if he moved down.

NateJR · Post by **NateJR** » 01 Mar 2019, 12:06

It would be irresponsible for Davis's managers to allow him to jump up in weight and fight Lomachenko straight away. Now if Davis were to move up and take a couple tough but winnable fights, I'd love to see it by the begin of 2020. It's definitely a fight I want to see and I don't want to see it marinade for 5 years, but I would like to see within the next year or year in a half.