Are you willing to admit that most top boxers are on PEDs?

[TheLeprechaun]

This is a difficult discussion but lets have it.

[banjo]

I've believed it for years and this goes for pretty much any top athlete, not just boxing.

[bigjack]

I've believed it for years and this goes for pretty much any top athlete, not just boxing.

Me too,and it would appear the very big money makers either don't get caught of if they do they don't get punished properly.

[Boxerbeetle]

Yep. And with the joke punishments that get handed out, who can be surprised. Anyone who gets caught once should face a minimum 2 year ban. If they get caught again, banned for life.

[kbackup408]

I am glad you started this thread because I was thinking about this recently...

Something Whyte/Miller said about Joshua really hit home.. the warm weather training is something other athletes have mentioned (GSP recently retired mixed martial artist mentioned something similar on the JRE podcast)

[tobyh5]

Its commonsense plus a basic grasp of the science

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, most golfers are.

[oogiebe]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

[oogiebe]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

True. It has evolved into more athletic ability, probably beginning with Tiger. Could have been earlier as well.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

True. It has evolved into more athletic ability, probably beginning with Tiger. Could have been earlier as well.

Always has been. He started them training like athletes, but the swing itself is timing and power.

[oogiebe]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

True. It has evolved into more athletic ability, probably beginning with Tiger. Could have been earlier as well.

Always has been. He started them training like athletes, but the swing itself is timing and power.

It's always been about the speed and timing of the swing. I'm saying that Woods brought much more strength training to the game, or at least made it more widely recognized. It's still the most difficult sport I've ever participated in.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

True. It has evolved into more athletic ability, probably beginning with Tiger. Could have been earlier as well.

Always has been. He started them training like athletes, but the swing itself is timing and power.

It's always been about the speed and timing of the swing. I'm saying that Woods brought much more strength training to the game, or at least made it more widely recognized. It's still the most difficult sport I've ever participated in.

So basically you're saying what I just said? Cool.

[oogiebe]

Of course, most golfers are.

LOL! And bowlers.

Well, that's probably pushing it. Golf takes a ton of athleticism and strength.

True. It has evolved into more athletic ability, probably beginning with Tiger. Could have been earlier as well.

Always has been. He started them training like athletes, but the swing itself is timing and power.

It's always been about the speed and timing of the swing. I'm saying that Woods brought much more strength training to the game, or at least made it more widely recognized. It's still the most difficult sport I've ever participated in.

So basically you're saying what I just said? Cool.

I was agreeing with you, yes.

[Loftgroov]

At world level almost without question, and same for e.g. the UFC and most top spots.

Many will be on Clenbuterol/Winstrol especially.

[milpool]

Most dart players are.

[Counter-puncher]

There's too much money at stake for them NOT to be

[Michael1988]

https://news.sky.com/story/geir-helgemo ... g-11652317

[Steveh583]

Surely no one questioned it?

[Oiky]

Yes of course....been happening for years too,you'd be a very naive man to believe any different...

It's just a case of who you are that determines what the punishment will be,or if you will even be caught at all

[kbackup408]

Yes of course....been happening for years too,you'd be a very naive man to believe any different...

It's just a case of who you are that determines what the punishment will be,or if you will even be caught at all

the cold truth is it has been happening across multiple sports for decades (cuban baseball players chewing gummies, lance, roy jones jr moving up to HW and so on ..) !

[Andrew]

At world level almost without question, and same for e.g. the UFC and most top spots.

Many will be on Clenbuterol/Winstrol especially.

UFC have a very clear drug testing program boxing universally does not. Guys get caught and banned which shows it does work.

Still some suspicious guys, but they have made improvements.

[JimJim2009]

Most dart players are.

[kbackup408]

At world level almost without question, and same for e.g. the UFC and most top spots.

Many will be on Clenbuterol/Winstrol especially.

UFC have a very clear drug testing program boxing universally does not. Guys get caught and banned which shows it does work.

Still some suspicious guys, but they have made improvements.

that usada set up is very flawed, this whole jon jones situation has lost me - they are saying the half life of a metabolite can last for 5 years.. (what horse sh.t)

[banjo]

I always say look at what Messi and Ronaldo are doing and tell me that's natural, fornicating horseshit.