The most dangerous opponent for Lomachenko (135) ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 26 Feb 2019, 17:51

What do you think ? Why ?

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 26 Feb 2019, 17:54

Of those listed it's clearly Mikey. I think Garcia is better than loma so that's why. They'll never fight though.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 26 Feb 2019, 17:57

all interesting opponents, lomas defo taking an L or a couple if he fought all of them

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 26 Feb 2019, 18:12

All of them are dangerous for anybody ! Mikey, Loma, Berchelt and Davis, put these guy against each other it is top fights in sport of boxing for me

But, my opinion for your question:

Mikey Garcia is not a typical mexican fighter. He is pationt counterpuncher. When you watching him he is not very entertaining and look pretty basic but he is not. Every move and punch hes doing is textbook like. He is doing very few mistakes. He has some serious punching power so Loma would be in constant danger because of counters. It can be boring fight in terms of action IMO.

Miguel Berchelt, unlike to Mikey is typical bad mexican mofo to me. He can apply constant pressure but he is not doing this without using his brain. His boxing skill is underrated, but lack of elite defense can cost him fight. Berchelt is not guy who is going to quit on stool. He has excellent stamina and punch output so he can make very entertaining fight with Loma, maybe FOTY.

Gervonta Davis is most dangerous for Loma but that is only because of his punching power. Short guy is always most dangerous at middle distance and that is distance Loma fight a lot. In first half Loma would be in danger, if he can handle that he will be probably ok and get stoppage late. DOnt think Gervonta have stamina to go 12 against Loma.

That is for me

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 26 Feb 2019, 18:20

Garcia isn't entertaining? You've seen him fight?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 26 Feb 2019, 18:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 18:20 Garcia isn't entertaining? You've seen him fight?

x2................

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 26 Feb 2019, 18:25

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 18:20 Garcia isn't entertaining? You've seen him fight?

He is definitely entertaining to me. But lot of casual fans just seek for bloody type of boxing wars and that is not Mickey IMO

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 26 Feb 2019, 18:42

Garcia. Complete fighter. Especially smart in the ring. (hi ring IQ).

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 26 Feb 2019, 19:51

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 18:42 Garcia. Complete fighter. Especially smart in the ring. (hi ring IQ).

Agree 100%. Gotta go with Mikey on this one!!

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 26 Feb 2019, 20:05

Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 26 Feb 2019, 20:06

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:05 Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?

Depends on how he put the weight on, I'd guess.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 26 Feb 2019, 20:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:06
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:05 Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?
Depends on how he put the weight on, I'd guess.

I think it would be like a muscular Jones returning to light heavy after beating Ruiz.

Never the same fighter.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 27 Feb 2019, 17:52

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:09
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:06
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:05 Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?
Depends on how he put the weight on, I'd guess.
I think it would be like a muscular Jones returning to light heavy after beating Ruiz.

Never the same fighter.

Great point!! The decline of RJJ after the jump to HW is a lesson missed by fighters who aspire to follow his ill-advised plan to return to the lower division. Hopefully Mikey or someone in his camp will have enough sense to avoid going all the way back down to 135.

Oiky · Post by **Oiky** » 27 Feb 2019, 18:39

Berchelt and Garcia are the two hardest fights for him out of that list

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 28 Feb 2019, 11:06

Garcia, of course. The best opponent for Loma, it will be the most competetive fight.

ezhmael · Post by **ezhmael** » 28 Feb 2019, 13:07

Why is Lopez there instead of Easter or Commey? Either will post more threat compared to Lopez.

But to answer your question, it would be Berchelt. Typical Mexican style with the chin to withstand Loma's punches. That would be a long night for Loma. I just think something "textbook" is what Loma is use to fighting so Mikey will be much easier than Berchelt. But both will lose to Loma at 135.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 28 Feb 2019, 13:16

Best Coast wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 17:52
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:09
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:06
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:05 Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?
Depends on how he put the weight on, I'd guess.
I think it would be like a muscular Jones returning to light heavy after beating Ruiz.

Never the same fighter.
Great point!! The decline of RJJ after the jump to HW is a lesson missed by fighters who aspire to follow his ill-advised plan to return to the lower division. Hopefully Mikey or someone in his camp will have enough sense to avoid going all the way back down to 135.

This is off topic, but.......I think that Mikey (after L by Spence) should continue his career at LWW, it is likely his optimal weight division right now. I would really like see him fighting Prograis (excluding HW, it would be among the most interesting fights, for me).

northern · Post by **northern** » 02 Mar 2019, 06:14

Out of the people listed (good list, some good fights there), for it me would have to be Garcia.

having held titles at Featherweight, Super featherweight, Super lightweight, Lightweight and now challenging arguably if not one of the best Welterweights in the world at their level. The man has no fear and full confidence in his ability, which he backs up incredibly well.

Lomachenko vs Garcia would be a dream match.

Saying that I am looking forward to seeing how he (Lomachenko) competes against Crolla next and if Selby continues to adapt and improve at Lightweight, he could be another British name that could produce a good fight with Lomachenko.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 02 Mar 2019, 07:44

northern wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 06:14 Out of the people listed (good list, some good fights there), for it me would have to be Garcia.

having held titles at Featherweight, Super featherweight, Super lightweight, Lightweight and now challenging arguably if not one of the best Welterweights in the world at their level. The man has no fear and full confidence in his ability, which he backs up incredibly well.

Lomachenko vs Garcia would be a dream match.

Saying that I am looking forward to seeing how he (Lomachenko) competes against Crolla next and if Selby continues to adapt and improve at Lightweight, he could be another British name that could produce a good fight with Lomachenko.

Northern, my opinion has nothing to do with the nationality of the fighters, but current UK boxers have no chance against Loma.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 02 Mar 2019, 18:07

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 13:16
Best Coast wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 17:52
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:09
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:06
SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 20:05 Anybody really believe that a newly buffed Garcia will ever come close to 135 lbs. again, even if Spence dismantles him?
Depends on how he put the weight on, I'd guess.
I think it would be like a muscular Jones returning to light heavy after beating Ruiz.

Never the same fighter.
Great point!! The decline of RJJ after the jump to HW is a lesson missed by fighters who aspire to follow his ill-advised plan to return to the lower division. Hopefully Mikey or someone in his camp will have enough sense to avoid going all the way back down to 135.
This is off topic, but.......I think that Mikey (after L by Spence) should continue his career at LWW, it is likely his optimal weight division right now. I would really like see him fighting Prograis (excluding HW, it would be among the most interesting fights, for me).

I agree 100%!

135 would weaken him just like 175 weakened Roy Jones after his successful HW challenge of John Ruiz. People forget that when RJJ beat Ruiz for a HW title he only weighed 193 for that fight. But his drop back to LH saw Roy drain 18 pounds of solid muscle and Mikey would be shedding 12 for a return to LW after the Spence fight, so he needs to avoid RJJ's weight-draining mistake!!

northern · Post by **northern** » 03 Mar 2019, 21:13

ValMar wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 07:44
northern wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 06:14 Out of the people listed (good list, some good fights there), for it me would have to be Garcia.

having held titles at Featherweight, Super featherweight, Super lightweight, Lightweight and now challenging arguably if not one of the best Welterweights in the world at their level. The man has no fear and full confidence in his ability, which he backs up incredibly well.

Lomachenko vs Garcia would be a dream match.

Saying that I am looking forward to seeing how he (Lomachenko) competes against Crolla next and if Selby continues to adapt and improve at Lightweight, he could be another British name that could produce a good fight with Lomachenko.
Northern, my opinion has nothing to do with the nationality of the fighters, but current UK boxers have no chance against Loma.

Oh no, I completely agree with you, if you read what I put down I say 'could produce a good fight' , I admit whole heartedly I wouldn't put Selby in with a chance of upsetting Lomachenko, probably not even enough to warrant his attention really but if it got him into the UK for an event, I'm all for it.
Even Crolla, as much as I like the man as a boxer and a character, Lomachenko should run away with the fight comfortably if not stop him before the end of it.

sturm vogel · Post by **sturm vogel** » 04 Mar 2019, 00:28

At a glance Garcia looks simple and straightforward but he is anything but. Garcia is deceptively talented and a cunning boxer. Garcia's size, speed, and disciple to strategy would force Lomachenko to use all of his war chest and to improvise something better-than-brilliant to gain superiority over him. Loma could win but by the slimmest of margins.