Wilder wants Joshua before Fury

[oogiebe]

I wasn't citing an exception. I was correcting your pathetic post.

Please quote the sentence(s) in my post that was factually inaccurate.

Please explain the reason why you mentioned Shannon Briggs.

Seriously kid, are you the equivalent of a Forum schizophrenic?? I never know who I'm posting to.

[Onetimeonly]

I wasn't citing an exception. I was correcting your pathetic post.

Please quote the sentence(s) in my post that was factually inaccurate.

Please explain the reason why you mentioned Shannon Briggs.

Take me off your call list.

[Enlightened-One]

I agree. It's hard to argue that Fury has made a mistake in accepting the 80m deal, that's a lot of reasons to take it and it bestows great financial security, always assuming Fury hangs in there for the duration and doesn't go off the rails before he's delivered his half of the bargain.

I struggle to see how it's a good deal for Arum. That's quite some outlay to recoup and as has been mentioned already, how many opponents are there for Fury that are going to complement Tyson's style, and produce (AAA) an exciting spectacle - ahem, cough, cough and (BBB) generate a decent financial return on Arum's investment?

It sounds to me like a very tall order but I guess Arum hasn't got to where he he's at by f*cking up. How he makes it work might be more entertaining that what Fury does in the ring

I don’t know enough about the financial justification for ESPN’s $103.5m outlay. I also don’t know if it was partially-funded by BT either. The articles I’ve read suggests that both parties were in partnership and financed this deal.

Correctly me if I’m wrong though, the deal equates to Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions (by proxy of ESPN & BT) having to fork out (on average) $20.7m per fight, since the deal covers five bouts.

BT/ESPN’s $103.5m deal with Tyson Fury may sound unreasonably huge, to the point Arum and his partners could suffer losses, but I’d expect Fury’s bouts to generate far more than $20m per fight and Top Rank also gain partial control over the heavyweight division. Their deal actually takes money out of their rivals pockets.

It’s clear that Bob Arum uses the ESPN name to sign talent to Top Rank. He then uses the newly-signed marquee names, coupled with offering huge purses, as part of his strategy to leverage (or lure) free agents into signing multi-fight promotional deals with Top Rank (as per the terms of Arum’s offer to Wilder for the Fury rematch).

The problem is, this strategy doesn’t always work, because Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Jose Ramirez, Oscar Valdez, or Gilberto Ramirez don’t have any truly competitive fights lined-up. The same might apply to Tyson Fury if the PBC and Matchroom refuse to play ball.

There are a lot of reasons why Tyson Fury’s $103.5m deal could potentially make a lot of financial sense for Top Rank & ESPN, since they: gain partial control over the heavyweight division; the deal could attract new talent to join Arum’s stable; and the Brit’s fights could generate far more than $20m per fight.

Fury’s $103.5m deal with ESPN could also potentially be the sport of boxing’s equivalent of a supermarket loss leader, where the financial cost of their product offering (i.e. Tyson) is far outweighed by the benefits they receive elsewhere.

[lillywhite14]

Wilder understands he was pretty lucky overall to steal a draw against a still somewhat rusty Fury, and he also understands that Fury will likely win the rematch. Joshua presents different problems, but also much more money. Joshua is also a more winnable fight for Wilder, so no surprise here.

I was surprised at how much of a winnable fight Fury is/was for Wilder. He nearly beat him and Wilder was awful that night. He might improve? Fury might improve? It needs resolving properly imo.
I think Wilder ‘should’ be fairly confident in any rematch. The second knockdown wasn’t the huge right hand fully landed and the first knockdown was a relatively soft shot.

Fury did superb to rise in the 12th, but he didn’t feel a full blooded Wilder swing during the fight. If one of them lands I think Fury doesn’t get up.

Joshua? I think he blasts Wilder out within three rounds. Wilder starts slow, Joshua hits plenty hard and can be super aggressive, plus he is a great finisher.

[lillywhite14]

Its a great deal on the surface for Fury. Who knows what’s in the small print though.

I just can’t see US fight fans taking to his style though. I’ve seen Ortiz being linked as an opponent. Potential for an absolute stinker there

[candyslim]

I agree. It's hard to argue that Fury has made a mistake in accepting the 80m deal, that's a lot of reasons to take it and it bestows great financial security, always assuming Fury hangs in there for the duration and doesn't go off the rails before he's delivered his half of the bargain.

I struggle to see how it's a good deal for Arum. That's quite some outlay to recoup and as has been mentioned already, how many opponents are there for Fury that are going to complement Tyson's style, and produce (AAA) an exciting spectacle - ahem, cough, cough and (BBB) generate a decent financial return on Arum's investment?

It sounds to me like a very tall order but I guess Arum hasn't got to where he he's at by f*cking up. How he makes it work might be more entertaining that what Fury does in the ring

I don’t know enough about the financial justification for ESPN’s $103.5m outlay. I also don’t know if it was partially-funded by BT either. The articles I’ve read suggests that both parties were in partnership and financed this deal.

Correctly me if I’m wrong though, the deal equates to Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions (by proxy of ESPN & BT) having to fork out (on average) $20.7m per fight, since the deal covers five bouts.

BT/ESPN’s $103.5m deal with Tyson Fury may sound unreasonably huge, to the point Arum and his partners could suffer losses, but I’d expect Fury’s bouts to generate far more than $20m per fight and Top Rank also gain partial control over the heavyweight division. Their deal actually takes money out of their rivals pockets.

It’s clear that Bob Arum uses the ESPN name to sign talent to Top Rank. He then uses the newly-signed marquee names, coupled with offering huge purses, as part of his strategy to leverage (or lure) free agents into signing multi-fight promotional deals with Top Rank (as per the terms of Arum’s offer to Wilder for the Fury rematch).

The problem is, this strategy doesn’t always work, because Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Jose Ramirez, Oscar Valdez, or Gilberto Ramirez don’t have any truly competitive fights lined-up. The same might apply to Tyson Fury if the PBC and Matchroom refuse to play ball.

There are a lot of reasons why Tyson Fury’s $103.5m deal could potentially make a lot of financial sense for Top Rank & ESPN, since they: gain partial control over the heavyweight division; the deal could attract new talent to join Arum’s stable; and the Brit’s fights could generate far more than $20m per fight.

Fury’s $103.5m deal with ESPN could also potentially be the sport of boxing’s equivalent of a supermarket loss leader, where the financial cost of their product offering (i.e. Tyson) is far outweighed by the benefits they receive elsewhere.

I can't really add anything to that EO, I simply don't know. I guess Arum is enjoying sticking a big wrench in the machinery of Showtime and Al Haymon but that can only be the icing on the cake, I mean it's no basis for a financial strategy.

It should be interesting watching how it unfolds.

[Ilya Muromets]

AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.

Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.

This guy might be one of my "multiple accounts" because I don't like Wilder either. He's no good in more ways than one, but he has a dynamite punch and deep pocket handlers (King Kong Ortiz' words) and that's all. He was supposed to have a rematch with Fury so I want to see the rematch with Fury, OK?

Just don´t lower yourself to the American idiots with their fantasy their level, they will beat you on experience if you try.

[SenorPipino]

AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.

Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.

This guy might be one of my "multiple accounts" because I don't like Wilder either. He's no good in more ways than one, but he has a dynamite punch and deep pocket handlers (King Kong Ortiz' words) and that's all. He was supposed to have a rematch with Fury so I want to see the rematch with Fury, OK?

Just don´t lower yourself to the American idiots with their fantasy their level, they will beat you on experience if you try.

I Iove it when you engage in debates with your various alter egos.

It separates the nuts from the whackjobs.

[Ilya Muromets]

AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.

Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.

This guy might be one of my "multiple accounts" because I don't like Wilder either. He's no good in more ways than one, but he has a dynamite punch and deep pocket handlers (King Kong Ortiz' words) and that's all. He was supposed to have a rematch with Fury so I want to see the rematch with Fury, OK?

Just don´t lower yourself to the American idiots with their fantasy their level, they will beat you on experience if you try.

I Iove it when you engage in debates with your various alter egos.

It separates the nuts from the whackjobs.

Yes, I have many "alter egos" here, so many I can hardly count them. Even you might be one of them! I lose track...

[dharma.dad]

"AJ wants nothing to do with Wilder"

?????

So, thats why hes made him around 7 offers? All for the biggest pay day of his life.

[oogiebe]

"AJ wants nothing to do with Wilder"

?????

So, thats why hes made him around 7 offers? All for the biggest pay day of his life.

They both want each other. Biggest fight around so long as they remain unbeaten.

[oogiebe]

"AJ wants nothing to do with Wilder"

?????

So, thats why hes made him around 7 offers? All for the biggest pay day of his life.

They both want each other. Biggest fight around so long as they remain unbeaten.

Wilder does NOT want to face AJ because he's scared and so are his fans. They know the truth, but continue to spread the lies. Wilder just ducked a 100 mil dollar offer for fighting some leftovers of AJ.

Most appropriate name on the boards!

[oogiebe]

"AJ wants nothing to do with Wilder"

?????

So, thats why hes made him around 7 offers? All for the biggest pay day of his life.

They both want each other. Biggest fight around so long as they remain unbeaten.

Wilder does NOT want to face AJ because he's scared and so are his fans. They know the truth, but continue to spread the lies. Wilder just ducked a 100 mil dollar offer for fighting some leftovers of AJ.

Most appropriate name on the boards!

Nearly any name is better then some baby gibberish as a name, just grow up lol.

Wahhhhhhh!!!!