Shawn Porter vs. Yordenis Ugas - March 9, 2019

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fans not happy with that one.

Tough fight to score.

Porter makes all his fights tough to score.

I had it 115-113 Ugás.

Had 4 close rounds.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Id love to see how judges scored last 3 rounds individually.

Ugas is listed first.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[DrDuke]

Fans not happy with that one.

Tough fight to score.

Porter makes all his fights tough to score.

I had it 115-113 Ugás.

Had 4 close rounds.

Porter had quite some amount of close fights indeed. But in this case I agree with the officials: I had him losing to Brook and Thurman, while winning Garcia and Ugas. And I find Thurman and Garcia fights easier to score, than the remaining two.

[Duran1970]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

[SenorPipino]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

I think in Leonard vs your namesake (Montreal 1980) one judge scored 10 rounds even.

Of course it was a 15 rounder so all is forgiven. But you would think that judges who get paid would occasionally feel an obligation to make a decision instead of waffling.

[ironbeard]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

There was not an even round scored according to what I have seen.

117-111 Ugas was rich.

[Romi]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

I have no issue with 4 rds being 10-10. There were at least 6 rds that could be argued either way. Why should an official be forced to pick a winner of a rd when neither clearly won it? The issue in this fight was Max DeLuca absurdedly calling rd 12 for Porter. It was probably Ugas’ best of the night and it cost him a draw. Jack Reiss also dropped the ball on the blown kd call. It wasn’t a clean kd as Porter was off balance but a punch was thrown, it grazed Porter and he went down. That’s a kd and should have been ruled as such. That blown call cost Ugas the fight.

[oogiebe]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

I have no issue with 4 rds being 10-10. There were at least 6 rds that could be argued either way. Why should an be official be forced to pick a winner of a rd when neither clearly won it? The issue in this fight was Max DeLuca absurdedly calling rd 12 for Porter. It was probably Ugas’ best of the night and it cost him a draw. Jack Reiss also dropped the ball on the blown kd call. It wasn’t a clean kd as Porter was off balance but a punch was thrown, it grazed Porter and he went down. That’s a kd and should have been ruled as such. That blown call cost Ugas the fight.

I found even round scoring refreshing. I don't feel as if we see that enough. Judges force themselves to pick a winner too often, IMHO.

[SenorPipino]

Judges are paid to split hairs. They're professionals.

It doesn't matter if you or I score a round even. Our cards are irrelevant.

But the judge's cards do decides who wins and who loses.

If they can't decide who was the more effective fighter in a 3 minute span, they need to find another job.

As minute as the difference may be, one fighter is always better than the other in those 3 minutes.

I expect a trained, professional judge to recognize that and mark his or her scorecard accordingly.

[Romi]

Judges are paid to split hairs. They're professionals.

It doesn't matter if you or I score a round even. Our cards are irrelevant.

But the judge's cards do decides who wins and who loses.

If they can't decide who was the more effective fighter in a 3 minute span, they need to find another job.

As minute as the difference may be, one fighter is always better than the other in those 3 minutes.

I expect a trained, professional judge to recognize that and mark his or her scorecard accordingly.

Hence....constant wide disparaging controversial cards. This fight is/was case in point. 117-111 Ugas was ridiculous as was 116-112 Porter. DeLucas’ card was more in tune as to how the fight played out...but he mucked up rd 12

[oogiebe]

Judges are paid to split hairs. They're professionals.

It doesn't matter if you or I score a round even. Our cards are irrelevant.

But the judge's cards do decides who wins and who loses.

If they can't decide who was the more effective fighter in a 3 minute span, they need to find another job.

As minute as the difference may be, one fighter is always better than the other in those 3 minutes.

I expect a trained, professional judge to recognize that and mark his or her scorecard accordingly.

There are even rounds. And they should be scored so.

[SenorPipino]

Judges are paid to split hairs. They're professionals.

It doesn't matter if you or I score a round even. Our cards are irrelevant.

But the judge's cards do decides who wins and who loses.

If they can't decide who was the more effective fighter in a 3 minute span, they need to find another job.

As minute as the difference may be, one fighter is always better than the other in those 3 minutes.

I expect a trained, professional judge to recognize that and mark his or her scorecard accordingly.

There are even rounds. And they should be scored so.

What about courtroom judges? How would you feel if they vaccilated and couldn't make a decision after hearing a criminal case?

What if they just threw up their hands and said "Gee, both sides put up great arguments. I have no idea whether the defendant is guilty or not. I can't decide."

Sounds ridiculous. The judge has to decide. That's his role.

Same in boxing. Those 3 people at ringside scoring are judges. It's their role to determine who was the more effective fighter in each round.

Someone IS better each round. And admittedly it's not always easy to determine who it is.

But when you've just watched 3 minutes, it's up to a judge to grit his teeth and figure out who it is.

Indecisiveness is not a quality that boxing judges are hired to display.

[oogiebe]

Judges are paid to split hairs. They're professionals.

It doesn't matter if you or I score a round even. Our cards are irrelevant.

But the judge's cards do decides who wins and who loses.

If they can't decide who was the more effective fighter in a 3 minute span, they need to find another job.

As minute as the difference may be, one fighter is always better than the other in those 3 minutes.

I expect a trained, professional judge to recognize that and mark his or her scorecard accordingly.

There are even rounds. And they should be scored so.

What about courtroom judges? How would you feel if they vaccilated and couldn't make a decision after hearing a criminal case?

What if they just threw up their hands and said "Gee, both sides put up great arguments. I have no idea whether the defendant is guilty or not. I can't decide."

Sounds ridiculous. The judge has to decide. That's his role.

Same in boxing. Those 3 people at ringside scoring are judges. It's their role to determine who was the more effective fighter in each round.

Someone IS r each round. And admittedly it's not always easy to determine who it is.

But when you've just watched 3 minutes, it's up to a judge to grit his teeth and figure out who it is.

Indecisiveness is not a quality that boxing judges are hired to display.

LMAO! My friend, that is a ridiculous comparison. It's not indecisiveness to call a round even. It happens.

[Duran1970]

Rules of scoring rounds is you should rarely score a round even...one or two tops..the ways and rules I was taught must be changing but the criteria always stated even scored rounds should be rare..

[oogiebe]

Rules of scoring rounds is you should rarely score a round even...one or two tops..the ways and rules I was taught must be changing but the criteria always stated even scored rounds should be rare..

100% agree. Rare but they happen and should be scored that way.

[Duran1970]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

There was not an even round scored according to what I have seen.

117-111 Ugas was rich.

You are correct... misread..my bad.

[Ruthless-RKO]

In the case of Shawn Porter's split decision win over Yordenis Ugas, the judges simply couldn't agree on just about anything.

All three judges agreed on Ugas winning round four and Porter winning nine. The other 10 were all up for grabs in their eyes, which ultimately led to the gulf in scoring between judges Young and Morrow.

DeLuca and Morrow were only one round apart in their final scores, but both took vastly different routes to get to that point as they agreed on just five of the 12 rounds. Both had Porter winning rounds 1, 5, 9 and 11 and Ugas taking the 4th round, one of at least two he seemingly won outright.

The other was round 12, one where Ugas also should have been credited with a knockdown that was instead ruled a slip by veteran referee Jack Reiss. The argument was that Porter's right leg kicked out from what was believed to be water on the canvas, although it occurred as Ugas landed a right hand to his temple.

Had Ugas been awarded a knockdown, he'd have claimed a 10-8 round, which would've produced the margin of victory on DeLuca's scorecard. Instead, the California-based judge is left to explain how in the world he scored the round for Porter, who spent nearly the entire frame fighting in reverse and visibly hurt from the earlier sequence.

Despite their cards being the furthest apart, DeLuca and Young actually had more common rounds between them than any other combination among the three officials. The two saw eye to eye on six of the 12 rounds, awarding rounds 3 and 9 to Porter and rounds 2, 4, 7 and 10 to Ugas.

[oogiebe]

In the case of Shawn Porter's split decision win over Yordenis Ugas, the judges simply couldn't agree on just about anything.

All three judges agreed on Ugas winning round four and Porter winning nine. The other 10 were all up for grabs in their eyes, which ultimately led to the gulf in scoring between judges Young and Morrow.

DeLuca and Morrow were only one round apart in their final scores, but both took vastly different routes to get to that point as they agreed on just five of the 12 rounds. Both had Porter winning rounds 1, 5, 9 and 11 and Ugas taking the 4th round, one of at least two he seemingly won outright.

The other was round 12, one where Ugas also should have been credited with a knockdown that was instead ruled a slip by veteran referee Jack Reiss. The argument was that Porter's right leg kicked out from what was believed to be water on the canvas, although it occurred as Ugas landed a right hand to his temple.

Had Ugas been awarded a knockdown, he'd have claimed a 10-8 round, which would've produced the margin of victory on DeLuca's scorecard. Instead, the California-based judge is left to explain how in the world he scored the round for Porter, who spent nearly the entire frame fighting in reverse and visibly hurt from the earlier sequence.

Despite their cards being the furthest apart, DeLuca and Young actually had more common rounds between them than any other combination among the three officials. The two saw eye to eye on six of the 12 rounds, awarding rounds 3 and 9 to Porter and rounds 2, 4, 7 and 10 to Ugas.

How many rounds were scored the same by all three judges? Grand total of two.

[ironbeard]

One judge had 4 even rounds? C'mon man....

There was not an even round scored according to what I have seen.

117-111 Ugas was rich.

You are correct... misread..my bad.

No problem.

[kbackup408]

Sometimes I question myself have I become incompetent in watching boxing or are these judges just crazy!!

[jamamb]

people who are against even rounds always raise these wacky scenario where a judge gives out loads of them but its extremely rare to see a judge give out more then 1 or 2. i have no problem with them.

[PUGLET]

I feel like I’m an EXPERT, and my tendency is to score more rounds “even” than the average judge. If a round is even, it’s even. Just my thoughts. But given the consistently bad decisions and robberies that occur in our beloved sport, perhaps more even rounds would counteract that trend? As long as the winner of the fight is correct, who cares whether there is 2-3-4 evenly scored rounds over a 10 or 12 round contest?

[jamamb]

ya i dont get the hatred a lot of ppl have for even rounds.. seems like an american/north american thing too to hate it. even rounds are scored more regularly most other parts of the world, throughout europe, south america, australia, in japanese fights etc.

so when ppl make a blanket statment that judges are ordered not to score them they are being a bit short sighted

[oogiebe]

Porter said, "NO REMATCH FOR UGAS BECAUSE IM LOOKING AT SPENCE, THURMAN AND PACQUIAO!"

I put that through my handy dandy boxing translator and it came up with this...

"I want no part of that guy again!"