Otto Wallin Steps Down From EBU Mandatory Slot For Kabayel

[Ruthless-RKO]

Now New York-based Swedish heavyweight Otto Wallin (20-0) has relinquished his position as mandatory challenger for the EBU title currently held by the SES promoted Agit Kabayel.

Wallin will instead concentrate on the US market and makes his debut for Salita Promotions on April 13 in Atlantic City with a fight against Nick Kisner.

Otto Wallin won the EU title in his last fight which was April 21 of last year and hasen´t fought since - but others have and the result of that is a steady climb in the world ratings. The Swede is now #5 with both the IBF and WBA, #11 with the WBO and #36 with the WBC.

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As for Kabayel, he will now be allowed to make another voluntary defence of the EBU title and he is also close to the big fights: he is #8 with the WBC, #3 IBF and #9 WBO but not ranked by the WBA.

[joshj909]

Wow that is bad. Regardless of which market you want to build your rep in, the you're European and that's a credible belt against a credible opponent. He could even have the fight made in the US if his name was big enough over there (it's not).

The rest of the EBU rankings all beat Kabayel but depends on who would be bothered to take the fight.

[jamamb]

Wow that is bad. Regardless of which market you want to build your rep in, the you're European and that's a credible belt against a credible opponent. He could even have the fight made in the US if his name was big enough over there (it's not).

The rest of the EBU rankings all beat Kabayel but depends on who would be bothered to take the fight.

have you looked at the ebu hw rankings

no way do all the others beat kabayel

hes already beat 4 guys in the rankings too, although maybe i should say 3, because it apparently doesnt count when you outbox del chisora. its simply not the 'real' del unless you beat him in a brawl

[Enlightened-One]

What's the difference between the EBU European Union title and the EBU European championship?

Is one better than the other, since Otto Wallin recently captured the EBU European Union Heavyweight title, but was previously ordered to challenge for Agit Kabayel’s EBU European Heavyweight championship?

Agit Kabayel held the EBU European Union Heavyweight title immediately prior to Otto Wallin capturing the vacant crown.

I’m confused.

Anyway, fight fans in New York couldn't care less whether Otto Wallin faces Agit Kabayel or not.

In fact, it's actually very rare for fighters from Queensberry or Matchroom to compete for any of the EBU titles, which means there's almost no commercial value or prestige in their titles.

Put it this way, the fact that Anthony Joshua never held an EBU title must mean something, mustn't it?

[joshj909]

Wow that is bad. Regardless of which market you want to build your rep in, the you're European and that's a credible belt against a credible opponent. He could even have the fight made in the US if his name was big enough over there (it's not).

The rest of the EBU rankings all beat Kabayel but depends on who would be bothered to take the fight.

have you looked at the ebu hw rankings

no way do all the others beat kabayel

hes already beat 4 guys in the rankings too, although maybe i should say 3, because it apparently doesnt count when you outbox del chisora. its simply not the 'real' del unless you beat him in a brawl

I should have clarified, I meant in order from the top as that's how the mandatory would be called. The likes of T.Fury, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Joyce, Huck, Takam all beat him but i don't know if any would bother with the fight.

In terms of that highlighted, i couldn't agree more. He won fair and square but he's below Chisora in everyone's rankings.

[jamamb]

i would give him shots vs guys like huck and takam for sure

[oogiebe]

i would give him shots vs guys like huck and takam for sure

Those would be good matchups right now. Afterwards, his handlers would have a better idea of what they're working with. I think he shouldn't have stepped down and stayed the course for EBU, TBH. Would've liked Wallin vs Kabayel.

[joshj909]

What's the difference between the EBU European Union title and the EBU European championship?

Is one better than the other, since Otto Wallin recently captured the EBU European Union Heavyweight title, but was previously ordered to challenge for Agit Kabayel’s EBU European Heavyweight championship?

Agit Kabayel held the EBU European Union Heavyweight title immediately prior to Otto Wallin capturing the vacant crown.

I’m confused.

Anyway, fight fans in New York couldn't care less whether Otto Wallin faces Agit Kabayel or not.

In fact, it's actually very rare for fighters from Queensberry or Matchroom to compete for any of the EBU titles, which means there's almost no commercial value or prestige in their titles.

Put it this way, the fact that Anthony Joshua never held an EBU title must mean something, mustn't it?

EBU is better as it covers a greater area, think the European version of British>English. There's also an EBU title for the remaining European countries outside the EU. Also, for some fighters who can leapfrog stages like AJ, it's unnecessary, but for those who are not a dead cert to be world level in terms of skill, it is a credible title that they should go for. I mean, wouldn't you rather retire having been champion of Europe than no title at all? The likes of both Klitschko's T.Fury, Pulev, Lennox Lewis have all held it (though with some terrible fighters between them all).

My only issue with it is that nobody usually defends it and even since Kabayel has done recently he's beating nobody worth challenging for it.

My issue with Wallin avoiding the fight: does it mean he's just going to beat the usual US no-hope challengers with a fairly recognisable name such as Washington, Kauffman or Molina? I just don't see him facing any US-based boxer who pose any threat as turning down an opportunity for a title in his home continent tells me he wants some more easy fights.

[joshj909]

i would give him shots vs guys like huck and takam for sure

Yeah they're further down the rankings but they'd be competitive fights, the others not so much. Chisora is ranked 4th though and i heard they were going to try and negotiate a rematch until the second Whyte fight happened so maybe he'll take it? Helenius is 6th and he'd probably take it. Who knows with Joyce in 7th.
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[Ruthless-RKO]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

[oogiebe]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

Wallin will have a long wait.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

Wallin will have a long wait.

WBO route?

I believe a lot of boxers are going that route.

Thing is there is only 2 world champions.

Joshua and Wilder.

Joshua can just do a mandatory after mandatory fight, with the odd voluntary super fight.

[oogiebe]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

Wallin will have a long wait.

WBO route?

I believe a lot of boxers are going that route.

Thing is there is only 2 world champions.

Joshua and Wilder.

Joshua can just do a mandatory after mandatory fight, with the odd voluntary super fight.

Unless he's going after WBA regular, there's a long line ahead of him for the other belts.

[Rob3_142]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

Wallin will have a long wait.

WBO route?

I believe a lot of boxers are going that route.

Thing is there is only 2 world champions.

Joshua and Wilder.

Joshua can just do a mandatory after mandatory fight, with the odd voluntary super fight.

Unless he's going after WBA regular, there's a long line ahead of him for the other belts.

I'm not really sure what the appeal of the WBA crown is. How can anyone call themselves a world champion when there's another 'super' world champion above them in the hierarchy.

[oogiebe]

Boxers would rather have their first pro loss in a world title fight.

Wallin will have a long wait.

WBO route?

I believe a lot of boxers are going that route.

Thing is there is only 2 world champions.

Joshua and Wilder.

Joshua can just do a mandatory after mandatory fight, with the odd voluntary super fight.

Unless he's going after WBA regular, there's a long line ahead of him for the other belts.

I'm not really sure what the appeal of the WBA crown is. How can anyone call themselves a world champion when there's another 'super' world champion above them in the hierarchy.

Exactly my point, sir.

[candyslim]

Otto Wallin won the EU title in his last fight which was April 21 of last year and hasen´t fought since - but others have and the result of that is a steady climb in the world ratings. The Swede is now #5 with both the IBF and WBA, #11 with the WBO and #36 with the WBC.

And there is why we are seeing a decline in boxing : The guy is rated 5 in the world by two of the governing bodies. On what basis? He won the European Union title. Who TF are these Johnny-come-latelys and why are they given any credibility? The EBU are the authority in Europe and have been for donkeys' years.

So who did he beat for this illustrious bauble? Adrian Granat a fellow Swede in a close fight that could have gone either way. I had Granat shading it. Is Granat any good? Well despite being blasted out by Dimitrenko in an upset I'd say he isn't bad - at European level. Is beating him any basis for a world number 5 ranking? Absolutely no forking way!

What's the point of taking on a tough opponent like Kabayel who would start favourite to beat you when you can obtain a world number 5 ranking by doing basically sweet f*ck all?

[joshj909]

[oogiebe]

I can dig that! Hope it's true. At the very least, one of the two will fall from the discussion. Kabayel is a stiff. I'll take Joyce on mid round KO/TKO.

[Enlightened-One]

Kabayel would be a decent opponent for Joyce, but I'd be surprised if Joe's handlers took the fight.

The Brit is supposedly set to appear on the May 18th Deontay Wilder undercard (in New York or Las Vegas), which means he'll probably face a fellow PBC stablemate, such as the aforementioned Adam Kownacki, instead of Kabayel.

[jamamb]

I can dig that! Hope it's true. At the very least, one of the two will fall from the discussion. Kabayel is a stiff. I'll take Joyce on mid round KO/TKO.

which performances make u so negative about kaybayel (after once rating him highly). tell me where he looks awful

[joshj909]

Kabayel would be a decent opponent for Joyce, but I'd be surprised if Joe's handlers took the fight.

The Brit is supposedly set to appear on the May 18th Deontay Wilder undercard (in New York or Las Vegas), which means he'll probably face a fellow PBC stablemate, such as the aforementioned Adam Kownacki, instead of Kabayel.

Joyce seems pretty keen on Twitter. For me it would look embarrassing to me of he didn't take it as he keeps complaining that the big names won't fight him and this time he's mandated for it. However, if he fights Kownacki instead I would not be disappointed, any of the other PBC regulars except Ortiz (and obviously Wilder) would be disappointing though.

[oogiebe]

I can dig that! Hope it's true. At the very least, one of the two will fall from the discussion. Kabayel is a stiff. I'll take Joyce on mid round KO/TKO.

which performances make u so negative about kaybayel (after once rating him highly). tell me where he looks awful

Mr. Critical - we've been through that already. Go back and read it. Kabayel was a good prospect but hasn't improved and has looked stiff and one-dimensional. He's no longer a prospect as he's entered the top 15 in ratings, which I think is ill deserved. if you think he's decent, then just disagree and be done with it rather rehashing old posts.

[jamamb]

stiffer and one dimensional then ur favorite slow joe?

i dont see where hes looked bad at all. did a better job on rudenko then anyone has and the only to drop him, destroyed a guy in 3 who was even or even slightly better then dimi, etc. still a young guy for a hw too. i will reestablish your confidence in him, it is my goal

[oogiebe]

stiffer and one dimensional then ur favorite slow joe?

i dont see where hes looked bad at all. did a better job on rudenko then anyone has and the only to drop him, destroyed a guy in 3 who was even or even slightly better then dimi, etc. still a young guy for a hw too. i will reestablish your confidence in him, it is my goal

LMAO! In all seriousness, Joyce has the luxury of being a very hard puncher and has way more output than Kabayel. Over his last few fights, it seems that Kabayel has hit a plateau if not regressed in some ways. LOL, good luck changing my mind on him, but you know I can be convinced if the evidence is there. If Kabayel kept himself busier, maybe I'd have more hope for him. I just don't think he's come along. That is sometimes what happens and why we call them prospects early in their career.

[Enlightened-One]

Kabayel would be a decent opponent for Joyce, but I'd be surprised if Joe's handlers took the fight.

The Brit is supposedly set to appear on the May 18th Deontay Wilder undercard (in New York or Las Vegas), which means he'll probably face a fellow PBC stablemate, such as the aforementioned Adam Kownacki, instead of Kabayel.

Joyce seems pretty keen on Twitter. For me it would look embarrassing to me of he didn't take it as he keeps complaining that the big names won't fight him and this time he's mandated for it. However, if he fights Kownacki instead I would not be disappointed, any of the other PBC regulars except Ortiz (and obviously Wilder) would be disappointing though.

If Joe Joyce doesn’t agree to face Agit Kabayel, it’ll be due to political reasons, such as PBC fighters being instructed to face fellow stablemates for any non-essential bouts, which seems to be the standard approach used by all boxing content providers.

And to be perfectly honest, there are at least a dozen heavyweights in the PBC roster, all of them are highly familiar names and at least half of them are included in the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO world rankings.

So I wouldn’t be too upset if Joe Joyce were to face any of the following guys on May 18th instead of Agit Kabayel:

• Adam Kownacki
• Luis Ortiz
• Oscar Rivas
• Michael Hunter
• Efe Ajagba