New 2019 Golovkin interview! GGG is all business this time.

[Enlightened-One]

May 15, 2012
"The deal we made with the WBA is that Sturm was allowed a voluntary defense, and if he wins, his next fight will be a mandatory defense," said K2 promoter Tom Loeffler, who promotes Golovkin as part of the Klitschko brothers' stable of fighters. "They have been ordered to make that fight by Sept. 30. At this point, Sturm is running out of options. Sturm, at this time, holds the record for being a champion the longest without having a mandatory defense. Two years ago, Gennady was the interim champion and Sturm was the WBA champion. Sturm then got elevated to super champion. For the last two years, Gennady has been trying to fight him."
Golovkin, who has traveled to New York to meet with American television network executives, hopes to fight in the United States -- but only after the fight with Sturm, if it happens.
"I want the fight with Felix Sturm," Golovkin said. "That is the only fight I really want at this time. I do think he will get in the ring with me by Sept. 30.."

March 8, 2014
'Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin will make his HBO return on July 12th; his opponent for the fights is what is shocking. ‘GGG’ is in negotiations to fight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at 168 lbs.
JCC is coming off a dominating performance against Bryan Vera and is surely thinking that he’s one of the elite boxers once again. Golovkin has the skills to bring Chavez Jr. back to reality.
Of course the appeal for this fight for Chavez Jr. is the huge pay day that will come to both him and GGG. HBO is looking at the Forum in LA as the site for this event and they’ll most likely make this their second PPV event of the year.'

20 March 2014
'Negotiations of Gennady Golovkin and Peter Quillin fight have failed, Tengrinews report citing Oleg German, manager of the WBA and IBO champion from Kazakhstan. According to German, Golovkin has been working with HBO for a long time, while Quillin has a contract with Showtime. The boxers could not agree on the company that would broadcast the fight. Quillin’s promoters suggested having a competition between the two channels and give the winner the right to broadcast the Golovkin-Quillin fight. But GGG’s team could not agree to that because of their binding agreement with HBO.'

Thu Apr 17, 2014
'Last week, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. rejected a proposal to fight IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin, at 168, on July 19 at the Forum in Inglewood, California - because Chavez wasn't happy with a signing a contract extension with Top Rank. The Mexican star was not satisfied with portions of the extension, including his guaranteed minumem per fight.
But now a new offer has been presented, which better suits what Chavez is looking for.
"We have to look at everything, but things are looking good. Nothing is going to get closed until next week because right now everyone is on vacation," Chavez said.'


GGG's team tried to make fights with a few of these top guys but from various political reasons all were off?

Bob Arum actually initiated contract negotiations with Tom Loeffler for the Chavez Jr.-Golovkin bout. The Mexican rejected it because he was given two options: receive a huge purse, but agree to a multi-fight contract extension with Top Rank; or take a small purse and become a free agent. Julio agreed to face Gennady on the purse size promised by Arum, but didn’t want to commit himself to a multi-fight agreement with Top Rank.

Your quote about the Sturm bout doesn’t detail any offers K2 or Tom Loeffler made to GGG’s rival.

In terms of the failed Quillin-GGG negotiations, it appears that GGG’s team rejected the bout for the same reason Sergey Kovalev rejected the opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson, which was due to his exclusive contract with HBO preventing purse bids that may result in him competing on a rival network. There's no proof of Quillin "ducking", if it was the Kazakh's team that rejected the opportunity to face the American.

I also feel that K2 would have submitted a lowball offer to Quillin and then subsequently proclaimed “duck” after it was obviously rejected.

Quillin was able to earn $1.5m for the Jacobs bout and $1.4m against Matt Korobov, whereas typical GGG opponents’ around the same time were earning less than half those sums.

Let’s compare these sums to the ballpark paydays for four of Golovkin’s bouts that took place around the time of the failed Quillin-GGG negotiations:
• Golovkin = $900K; Rubio = $450K
• Golovkin = $750K; Geale = $600k
• Golovkin = $400K; Stevens = $290K
• Golovkin = $350K; Macklin = $300K

HBO and K2 weren’t willing to financially back GGG and the Kazakh didn’t receive the paydays that he deserved around the same time the Quillin-GGG negotiations fell through.

For example:
• Second tier fighters, such as Sakio Bika (58%) and Anthony Dirrell (42%) shared a $1.2m fight purse for their rematch
• Brian Vera’s was reportedly paid $400K for his first fight against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was the same purse that GGG received to face Curtis Stevens.
• Darren Barker earned $1.3m for his fight against Felix Sturm, which was more than the combined purses of Golovkin & Rubio for their fight.
• Edwin Rodriguez was paid $600K and Denis Grachev was paid $400K when they fought, which was more than what GGG earned for both the Macklin & Stevens bouts.
• Edwin Rodriguez earned $1m when he fought Andre Ward... and then compare this figure to what Golovkin was paid for both the Macklin & Stevens bouts.
• Andre Dirrell and James DeGale were both paid $1.55m for their bout. At that precise point in time, GGG's career-best payday was the $900K he earned to blitz Marco Antonio Rubio.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: K2 are the main reason for GGG’s failure to compete in many more marquee bouts. They hardy ever initiated contract negotiations and on the rare occasion they did, they submitted lowball offers, because they weren't willing to invest their money, since the numbers speak volumes!

[apollo creed]

May 15, 2012
"The deal we made with the WBA is that Sturm was allowed a voluntary defense, and if he wins, his next fight will be a mandatory defense," said K2 promoter Tom Loeffler, who promotes Golovkin as part of the Klitschko brothers' stable of fighters. "They have been ordered to make that fight by Sept. 30. At this point, Sturm is running out of options. Sturm, at this time, holds the record for being a champion the longest without having a mandatory defense. Two years ago, Gennady was the interim champion and Sturm was the WBA champion. Sturm then got elevated to super champion. For the last two years, Gennady has been trying to fight him."
Golovkin, who has traveled to New York to meet with American television network executives, hopes to fight in the United States -- but only after the fight with Sturm, if it happens.
"I want the fight with Felix Sturm," Golovkin said. "That is the only fight I really want at this time. I do think he will get in the ring with me by Sept. 30.."

March 8, 2014
'Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin will make his HBO return on July 12th; his opponent for the fights is what is shocking. ‘GGG’ is in negotiations to fight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at 168 lbs.
JCC is coming off a dominating performance against Bryan Vera and is surely thinking that he’s one of the elite boxers once again. Golovkin has the skills to bring Chavez Jr. back to reality.
Of course the appeal for this fight for Chavez Jr. is the huge pay day that will come to both him and GGG. HBO is looking at the Forum in LA as the site for this event and they’ll most likely make this their second PPV event of the year.'

20 March 2014
'Negotiations of Gennady Golovkin and Peter Quillin fight have failed, Tengrinews report citing Oleg German, manager of the WBA and IBO champion from Kazakhstan. According to German, Golovkin has been working with HBO for a long time, while Quillin has a contract with Showtime. The boxers could not agree on the company that would broadcast the fight. Quillin’s promoters suggested having a competition between the two channels and give the winner the right to broadcast the Golovkin-Quillin fight. But GGG’s team could not agree to that because of their binding agreement with HBO.'

Thu Apr 17, 2014
'Last week, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. rejected a proposal to fight IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin, at 168, on July 19 at the Forum in Inglewood, California - because Chavez wasn't happy with a signing a contract extension with Top Rank. The Mexican star was not satisfied with portions of the extension, including his guaranteed minumem per fight.
But now a new offer has been presented, which better suits what Chavez is looking for.
"We have to look at everything, but things are looking good. Nothing is going to get closed until next week because right now everyone is on vacation," Chavez said.'


GGG's team tried to make fights with a few of these top guys but from various political reasons all were off?

Bob Arum actually initiated contract negotiations with Tom Loeffler for the Chavez Jr.-Golovkin bout. The Mexican rejected it because he was given two options: receive a huge purse, but agree to a multi-fight contract extension with Top Rank; or take a small purse and become a free agent. Julio agreed to face Gennady on the purse size promised by Arum, but didn’t want to commit himself to a multi-fight agreement with Top Rank.

Your quote about the Sturm bout doesn’t detail any offers K2 or Tom Loeffler made to GGG’s rival.

In terms of the failed Quillin-GGG negotiations, it appears that GGG’s team rejected the bout for the same reason Sergey Kovalev rejected the opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson, which was due to his exclusive contract with HBO preventing purse bids that may result in him competing on a rival network. There's no proof of Quillin "ducking", if it was the Kazakh's team that rejected the opportunity to face the American.

I also feel that K2 would have submitted a lowball offer to Quillin and then subsequently proclaimed “duck” after it was obviously rejected.

Quillin was able to earn $1.5m for the Jacobs bout and $1.4m against Matt Korobov, whereas typical GGG opponents’ around the same time were earning less than half those sums (i.e. Geale = $600k; Macklin = $300K; and Stevens = $290K).

Let’s compare these sums to the ballpark paydays for four of Golovkin’s bouts that took place around the time of the failed Quillin-GGG negotiations:
• Golovkin = $900K; Rubio = $450K
• Golovkin = $750K; Geale = $600k
• Golovkin = $400K; Stevens = $290K
• Golovkin = $350K; Macklin = $300K


HBO and K2 weren’t willing to financially back GGG and the Kazakh didn’t receive the paydays that he deserved around the same time the Quillin-GGG negotiations fell through.

For example:
• Second tier fighters, such as Sakio Bika (58%) and Anthony Dirrell (42%) shared a $1.2m fight purse for their rematch
• Brian Vera’s was reportedly paid $400K for his first fight against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was the same purse that GGG received to face Curtis Stevens.
• Darren Barker earned $1.3m for his fight against Felix Sturm, which was more than the combined purses of Golovkin & Rubio for their fight.
• Edwin Rodriguez was paid $600K and Denis Grachev was paid $400K when they fought, which was more than what GGG earned for both the Macklin & Stevens bouts.
• Edwin Rodriguez earned $1m when he fought Andre Ward... and then compare this figure to what Golovkin was paid for both the Macklin & Stevens bouts.
• Andre Dirrell and James DeGale were both paid $1.55m for their bout. At that precise point in time, GGG's career-best payday was the $900K he earned to blitz Marco Antonio Rubio.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: K2 are the main reason for GGG’s failure to compete in many more marquee bouts. They hardy ever initiated contract negotiations and on the rare occasion they did, they submitted lowball offers, because they weren't willing to invest their money, since the numbers speak volumes!

So technically what they supposed to do at that time ?

[boxing_rocks]

More page long bullsh!t from EO.

[Enlightened-One]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: K2 are the main reason for GGG’s failure to compete in many more marquee bouts. They hardy ever initiated contract negotiations and on the rare occasion they did, they submitted lowball offers, because they weren't willing to invest their money, since the numbers speak volumes!

So technically what they supposed to do at that time ?

Prior to his 34th bout against David Lemieux, Gennady was definitely not earning his commercial worth, despite being regarded as one of the top pound-for-pounders in the sport.

This may be because Gennady didn’t receive the paydays or the financial backing that he deserved from K2 and HBO, whereas other fighters that weren’t rated as highly and couldn’t attract comparable TV audience figures, usually received far better purses for their bouts. And I’ve already provided numerous examples in my previous post.

Here’s a list of the average HBO viewing figures for Golovkin’s bouts (as of April 2015):
• Proska = 685K viewers
• Rosado = 813K viewers
• Macklin = 1.1m viewers
• Stevens = 1.41m viewers
• Geale = 984K viewers
• Rubio = 1.304m viewers
• Murray = 862K viewers

This situation led to a lot of GGG’s middleweight rivals preferring to face lower-risk opponents that provided better paydays than they were capable of earning by facing Gennady Golovkin.

We know for certain that Tom Loeffler rarely submitted financial offers to GGG’s big name rivals either, which compounded the situation.

However, this didn’t prevent Team GGG (primarily Tom Loeffler) from persistently claiming to the media that “everyone was too scared to face Golovkin”, as it was part of their marketing gimmick they used to enhance the Kazakh’s reputation, which was done to compel his legion of fans to accuse his rivals of being “cowards” and “ducks”.

I felt that K2 were doing a disservice to fight fans, because on the rare occasion they did initiate contract negotiations with GGG’s rivals, they usually submitted a lowball offers and then subsequently proclaimed “duck” immediately after they were rejected.

And as we saw with the failed GGG-Quillin negotiations, K2 often had to withdraw from negotiations because of their exclusive contract with HBO.

Some fighters wanted the rights to their bouts with Gennady to be awarded to the promoter and network that submitted the highest bid, but Team Golovkin couldn’t agree to those terms, because their exclusive ties with HBO were holding them back.

So here’s a summary of the issues I have with the way that K2 handled GGG’s career:

• K2 shouldn’t have tied GGG to an exclusive contract with HBO that prevented Gennady to compete against his big-name rivals, since they unable to compete on rival networks that were capable of offering better paydays to both fighters.

• K2’s refusal to pay GGG’s opponents’ their commercial worth, despite the Kazakh attracting huge audiences for HBO, prevented many bouts from being made. Gennady’s rivals could earn more facing easier foes.

• K2 should have made more attempts to initiate contract negotiations, because they usually waited for other promoters to approach them or wait for the purse bid process to commence. In fact, the majority of GGG’s biggest purses resulted from events that were either solely of partially staged by rival promoters.

• K2 should have invested in their fighter more and taken risks, even if it resulted in loss-making events. It’s not uncommon for promoters to accept losses on events during the process of building a fighters’ stardom/brand.

[Enlightened-One]

More page long bullsh!t from EO.

I appreciate you’re a die-hard fan of GGG, but I’m not actually criticising him. I am discussing my gripes with K2, by listing facts that you already know to be true.

[apollo creed]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: K2 are the main reason for GGG’s failure to compete in many more marquee bouts. They hardy ever initiated contract negotiations and on the rare occasion they did, they submitted lowball offers, because they weren't willing to invest their money, since the numbers speak volumes!

So technically what they supposed to do at that time ?

Prior to his 34th bout against David Lemieux, Gennady was definitely not earning his commercial worth, despite being regarded as one of the top pound-for-pounders in the sport.

This may be because Gennady didn’t receive the paydays or the financial backing that he deserved from K2 and HBO, whereas other fighters that weren’t rated as highly and couldn’t attract comparable TV audience figures, usually received far better purses for their bouts. And I’ve already provided numerous examples in my previous post.

Here’s a list of the average HBO viewing figures for Golovkin’s bouts (as of April 2015):
• Proska = 685K viewers
• Rosado = 813K viewers
• Macklin = 1.1m viewers
• Stevens = 1.41m viewers
• Geale = 984K viewers
• Rubio = 1.304m viewers
• Murray = 862K viewers

This situation led to a lot of GGG’s middleweight rivals preferring to face lower-risk opponents that provided better paydays than they were capable of earning by facing Gennady Golovkin.

We know for certain that Tom Loeffler rarely submitted financial offers to GGG’s big name rivals either, which compounded the situation.

However, this didn’t prevent Team GGG (primarily Tom Loeffler) from persistently claiming to the media that “everyone was too scared to face Golovkin”, as it was part of their marketing gimmick they used to enhance the Kazakh’s reputation, which was done to compel his legion of fans to accuse his rivals of being “cowards” and “ducks”.

I felt that K2 were doing a disservice to fight fans, because on the rare occasion they did initiate contract negotiations with GGG’s rivals, they usually submitted a lowball offers and then subsequently proclaimed “duck” immediately after they were rejected.

And as we saw with the failed GGG-Quillin negotiations, K2 often had to withdraw from negotiations because of their exclusive contract with HBO.

Some fighters wanted the rights to their bouts with Gennady to be awarded to the promoter and network that submitted the highest bid, but Team Golovkin couldn’t agree to those terms, because their exclusive ties with HBO were holding them back.

So here’s a summary of the issues I have with the way that K2 handled GGG’s career:

• K2 shouldn’t have tied GGG to an exclusive contract with HBO that prevented Gennady to compete against his big-name rivals, since they unable to compete on rival networks that were capable of offering better paydays to both fighters.

• K2’s refusal to pay GGG’s opponents’ their commercial worth, despite the Kazakh attracting huge audiences for HBO, prevented many bouts from being made. Gennady’s rivals could earn more facing easier foes.

• K2 should have made more attempts to initiate contract negotiations, because they usually waited for other promoters to approach them or wait for the purse bid process to commence. In fact, the majority of GGG’s biggest purses resulted from events that were either solely of partially staged by rival promoters.

• K2 should have invested in their fighter more and taken risks, even if it resulted in loss-making events. It’s not uncommon for promoters to accept losses on events during the process of building a fighters’ stardom/brand.

GGG without that HBO contract would have had even a harder-long road. K2 tried to build up GGG properly with the help/support of a big network. I think GGG had to beat one good name at that time like Martinez or JCCJr that HBO to throw more money for top opponents. The problem was that GGG was seen as a big risk and low reward at that time and I think without 4-5 M's, none of Martinez or JCCjr would've fought GGG at that time. The big budgets weren't there for GGG at that time.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG without that HBO contract would have had even a harder-long road. K2 tried to build up GGG properly with the help/support of a big network...The problem was that GGG was seen as a big risk and low reward at that time... The big budgets weren't there for GGG at that time.

Andre Ward received $2m for his 2013 bout against Edwin Rodriguez, which drew an average of 1.2m viewers on HBO.

Gennady Golovkin received $350K for his 2013 bout against Matthew Macklin, which drew an average of 1.1m viewers on HBO.

What’s the reason for the disparity in purses, especially when you consider the fact that HBO paid for both events and Edwin Rodriguez’s purse (prior to the fine) was roughly three times the size of Golovkin’s?

[boxing_rocks]

Nobody knew who Golovkin was when he fought Macklin, while Ward was a winner of Super 6. Besides, Golovkin's opponents were getting relatively high purses, because otherwise they were refusing to take beating.

Ward is a totally different species. His promoters were losing money on him.

[jamamb]

in the end it turned out great for ggg finanically , thanks to canelo being such a massive cash cow and the emergence of the dazn blowing money project, but absolutely no doubt he was getting underpaid earlier in his career relative to his tv numbers and status in the sport

tom LOLeffler

[Enlightened-One]

Nobody knew who Golovkin was when he fought Macklin, while Ward was a winner of Super 6. Besides, Golovkin's opponents were getting relatively high purses, because otherwise they were refusing to take beating.

Ward is a totally different species. His promoters were losing money on him.

Andre Ward received $2m for his 2013 bout against Edwin Rodriguez, which drew an average of 1.2m viewers on HBO.

Darren Barker received $1.3m for his 2013 bout against Felix Sturm.

Edwin Rodriguez received $600K for his 2013 bout against Denis Grachev.

Nonito Donaire received $1.32m and Guillermo Rigondeaux received $750K for their 2013 bout against, which drew an average of 1.1m viewers on HBO.

Guillermo Rigondeaux received $525K for his 2013 bout against Joseph Agbeko, which drew an average of 550K viewers on HBO.

Gennady Golovkin received $350K for his 2013 bout against Matthew Macklin, which drew an average of 1.1m viewers on HBO.

Gennady Golovkin received $400K for his 2013 bout against Curtis Stevens, which drew an average of 1.41m viewers on HBO.

One of my previous posts within this thread lists a dozen or so instances where lesser-known fighters attracting fewer viewing figures were paid vastly superior sums than what GGG was receiving around the same timeframe.

Gennady Golovkin was far more popular in 2013 than most of the marquee names that competed that year. His bout against Curtis Stevens received the third highest views of all the non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year.

GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 also far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

The only non-PPV fighters that received better viewership figures than GGG during 2013 were Miguel Cotto, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Adrien Broner, but yet the Kazakh still managed to earn far less than most of the other guys.

2.5m Americans watched GGG engage in two live non-PPV bouts during 2013 (Curtis Stevens 1.4m & Matthew Macklin 1.1m). The only fighters to surpass this figure were Adrien Broner (2.7m = Gavin Rees 1.4m + Paul Malignaggi 1.3m) and Adonis Stevenson (3.5m = Tony Bellew 1.3m, Tavoris Cloud 1.2m & Chad Dawson 1m).

It’s clear that the accurate purses and viewership figures being quoted categorically disprove your theory.

K2 and HBO must have earned an absolute fortune from staging GGG’s bouts until his 2015 fight against David Lemieux!

[apollo creed]

Nobody knew who Golovkin was when he fought Macklin, while Ward was a winner of Super 6. Besides, Golovkin's opponents were getting relatively high purses, because otherwise they were refusing to take beating.

Ward is a totally different species. His promoters were losing money on him.

spot on.

[Enlightened-One]

Nobody knew who Golovkin was when he fought Macklin, while Ward was a winner of Super 6. Besides, Golovkin's opponents were getting relatively high purses, because otherwise they were refusing to take beating.

Ward is a totally different species. His promoters were losing money on him.

spot on.

Have you read my post above? The US HBO & Showtime viewership figures for 2013 actually dispel this myth.

Verify my numbers for yourself and you'll surely be compelled to draw the same conclusion. It's utter nonsense to claim that GGG was anonymous during 2013.

[apollo creed]

in the end it turned out great for ggg finanically , thanks to canelo being such a massive cash cow and the emergence of the dazn blowing money project, but absolutely no doubt he was getting underpaid earlier in his career relative to his tv numbers and status in the sport

tom LOLeffler

Yup. GGG is making that big money atm. Back then he needed a good name (Martinez/JCCJr) on his resume to get his profile bigger but it is what it is. Now he's doing very well.

[Enlightened-One]

Yup.

How can you agree with someone who claimed that nobody knew GGG during 2013 and also agree with someone else who claimed Golovkin was underpaid during the same year, relative to his TV numbers and status in the sport?

Surely both concepts are mutually-exclusive?

GGG was one of the most popular fighters to compete during 2013. The numbers clearly prove this simple fact, but yet he was one of the lowest earning marquee names in the sport.

[apollo creed]

Nobody knew who Golovkin was when he fought Macklin, while Ward was a winner of Super 6. Besides, Golovkin's opponents were getting relatively high purses, because otherwise they were refusing to take beating.

Ward is a totally different species. His promoters were losing money on him.

Andre Ward received $2m for his 2013 bout against Edwin Rodriguez, which drew an average of 1.2m viewers on HBO.

Darren Barker received $1.3m for his 2013 bout against Felix Sturm.

Edwin Rodriguez received $600K for his 2013 bout against Denis Grachev.

Nonito Donaire received $1.32m and Guillermo Rigondeaux received $750K for their 2013 bout against, which drew an average of 1.1m viewers on HBO.

Guillermo Rigondeaux received $525K for his 2013 bout against Joseph Agbeko, which drew an average of 550K viewers on HBO.

Gennady Golovkin received $350K for his 2013 bout against Matthew Macklin, which drew an average of 1.1m viewers on HBO.

Gennady Golovkin received $400K for his 2013 bout against Curtis Stevens, which drew an average of 1.41m viewers on HBO.

One of my previous posts within this thread lists a dozen or so instances where lesser-known fighters attracting fewer viewing figures were paid vastly superior sums than what GGG was receiving around the same timeframe.

Gennady Golovkin was far more popular in 2013 than most of the marquee names that competed that year. His bout against Curtis Stevens received the third highest views of all the non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year.

GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 also far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

The only non-PPV fighters that received better viewership figures than GGG during 2013 were Miguel Cotto, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Adrien Broner, but yet the Kazakh still managed to earn far less than most of the other guys.

2.5m Americans watched GGG engage in two live non-PPV bouts during 2013 (Curtis Stevens 1.4m & Matthew Macklin 1.1m). The only fighters to surpass this figure were Adrien Broner (2.7m = Gavin Rees 1.4m + Paul Malignaggi 1.3m) and Adonis Stevenson (3.5m = Tony Bellew 1.3m, Tavoris Cloud 1.2m & Chad Dawson 1m).

It’s clear that the accurate purses and viewership figures being quoted categorically disprove your theory.

K2 and HBO must have earned an absolute fortune from staging GGG’s bouts until his 2015 fight against David Lemieux!

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

[apollo creed]

Yup.

How can you agree with someone who claimed that nobody knew GGG during 2013 and also agree with someone else who claimed Golovkin was underpaid during the same year, relative to his TV numbers and status in the sport?

Surely both concepts are mutually-exclusive?

GGG was one of the most popular fighters to compete during 2013. The numbers clearly prove this simple fact, but yet he was one of the lowest earning marquee names in the sport.

Earlier was unknown but after he was starting to fight Stevens, Geale, Rubio and Murray, GGG's profile was growing.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

I don't know what you're trying to say. HBO didn't have hardlyany expense to fork out for Gennady's fights, because the purses were so small.

GGG's purses relative to his viewership figures are disgraceful in comparison to less popular fighters that attracted smaller audiences, but somehow managed to earn paydays that were at least three times the sums Golovkin was being paid.

[oogiebe]

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

I don't know what you're trying to say. HBO didn't have hardlyany expense to fork out for Gennady's fights, because the purses were so small.

GGG's purses relative to his viewership figures are disgraceful in comparison to less popular fighters that attracted smaller audiences, but somehow managed to earn paydays that were at least three times the sums Golovkin was being paid.

If that's true then his team is poor at negotiations.

[Enlightened-One]

Yup.

How can you agree with someone who claimed that nobody knew GGG during 2013 and also agree with someone else who claimed Golovkin was underpaid during the same year, relative to his TV numbers and status in the sport?

Surely both concepts are mutually-exclusive?

GGG was one of the most popular fighters to compete during 2013. The numbers clearly prove this simple fact, but yet he was one of the lowest earning marquee names in the sport.

Earlier was unknown but after he was starting to fight Stevens, Geale, Rubio and Murray, GGG's profile was growing.

Golovkin attracted 1.1m viewers on HBO for the Matthew Macklin fight of 2013, which was staged prior to those bouts you mentioned, which is still a bigger audience than several other marquee bouts that took place during the very same calendar year, involving the likes of: Canelo; Nonito Donaire; Chad Dawson; Adonis Stevenson; and Bernard Hopkins.

Nobody in the US knew who Matthew Macklin was, so there must have been a reason why so many people tuned in.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

I don't know what you're trying to say. HBO didn't have hardlyany expense to fork out for Gennady's fights, because the purses were so small.

GGG's purses relative to his viewership figures are disgraceful in comparison to less popular fighters that attracted smaller audiences, but somehow managed to earn paydays that were at least three times the sums Golovkin was being paid.

If that's true then his team is poor at negotiations.

Finally, the penny has dropped! That is precisely the point I've been trying to make all along.

[oogiebe]

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

I don't know what you're trying to say. HBO didn't have hardlyany expense to fork out for Gennady's fights, because the purses were so small.

GGG's purses relative to his viewership figures are disgraceful in comparison to less popular fighters that attracted smaller audiences, but somehow managed to earn paydays that were at least three times the sums Golovkin was being paid.

If that's true then his team is poor at negotiations.

Finally, the penny has dropped! That is precisely the point I've been trying to make all along.

Again If what you said is the truth than it's rather obvious. I'm assuming you are referring to cards where he's the headliner.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG was seen as a very risky opponent but as well as a very exciting fighter to watch. What you trying to say and I understand it now is that HBO had to pump bigger money on GGG's career considering how great value for the money he was due of his KO power and fighting style.

I don't know what you're trying to say. HBO didn't have hardlyany expense to fork out for Gennady's fights, because the purses were so small.

GGG's purses relative to his viewership figures are disgraceful in comparison to less popular fighters that attracted smaller audiences, but somehow managed to earn paydays that were at least three times the sums Golovkin was being paid.

If that's true then his team is poor at negotiations.

Finally, the penny has dropped! That is precisely the point I've been trying to make all along.

Again If what you said is the truth than it's rather obvious. I'm assuming you are referring to cards where he's the headliner.

Yes. Check GGG's purses for the first 33 bouts of his career, especially those from Proksa to Monroe Jr., with most of them televised by HBO, coupled with him also headlining nearly all those fights.

[apollo creed]

Are you saying that someone made lots of cash from GGG ?

[oogiebe]

Are you saying that someone made lots of cash from GGG ?

I think that's what he's saying. Someone had to make money with those amounts of views.

[apollo creed]

Are you saying that someone made lots of cash from GGG ?

I think that's what he's saying. Someone had to make money with those amounts of views.

Then who and why GGG did not say nothing about that?