A correction to Eder Jofre's record

[chrisjs1985]

Eder Jofre's real full record is not the 72-2-4 (50) commonly listed but it is 75-2-4 (52). The record books don't have his first three bouts. I have the official record from the Brazilian Federation and can upload it.

These bouts don't show up

September 21st, 1956 vs. Osmar Crocicchia which he won via ROUND 3 KO in Sao Paulo (DEBUT)
January 5th, 1957 vs. Valter Valentim which he won by DECISION 6 in Sao Paulo
February 28th, 1957 vs. Acyr Sereno which he won via ROUND 1 KO in Rio Di Janeiro

I located Sereno http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/194679
and Valentim http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/692249

I'm trying to upload the documents. I have them on my computer. How can I do that?

[Bob]

I am very anxious to see the Brazilian Federation record...Jofre had numerous fights in 1954-1956 scheduled for either 4 or 6 rounds and listed as "profesionais" in the Brazilian papers (he won them all), and those fights you mentioned are listed as such. The September fight was just prior to his going to Montevideo, where he lost in the finals of the Latin American championships, and then to the Olympics, where he lost in the second round (his only two amateur losses as far as I know).

[chrisjs1985]

What is your e-mail? I can send it to you from my computer tomorrow at work.

It would appear the Crochiccia one was before the Olympics. I couldn’t find a record for him but the other two came after the Olympics.

Regarding his amateur record I always read it was 148-2 but have also heard (and his son said this too) that the loss to Barientos was the only amateur loss so I’m unsure if he was 148-1 or 149-1 or if it indeed was 148-2. Do you have much information on the amateur tournaments?

I am very anxious to see the Brazilian Federation record...Jofre had numerous fights in 1954-1956 scheduled for either 4 or 6 rounds and listed as "profesionais" in the Brazilian papers (he won them all), and those fights you mentioned are listed as such. The September fight was just prior to his going to Montevideo, where he lost in the finals of the Latin American championships, and then to the Olympics, where he lost in the second round (his only two amateur losses as far as I know).

[wouter]

You're both wrong here and I believe the dates mentioned for these fights is likely wrong too. The Sereno fight was held March 27 1956 and was a 6-round fight between 2 amateurs won by Jofre in round 1. The scheduled distance of a fight does not say anything about whether it was pro or amateur. Through history, there have been amateur fights as long as 15 rounds. Here's a contemporary report of Jofre's March 1957 fight, explicitly naming it his pro debut. It's a bit small and the resolution is not so good either, hope you can read it after clicking on it.

[John]

Please do not trust anything coming from a so called Brazilian commission

[chrisjs1985]

You're both wrong here and I believe the dates mentioned for these fights is likely wrong too. The Sereno fight was held March 27 1956 and was a 6-round fight between 2 amateurs won by Jofre in round 1. The scheduled distance of a fight does not say anything about whether it was pro or amateur. Through history, there have been amateur fights as long as 15 rounds. Here's a contemporary report of Jofre's March 1957 fight, explicitly naming it his pro debut. It's a bit small and the resolution is not so good either, hope you can read it after clicking on it.

Thanks for that. Interesting. The Crocicchia one makes sense as being a mistake on the Federations part since it was before the his two fights at the Melbourne games which were November 26th and November 28th. The Sereno and Valentim fights would represent the only two Brazilian opponents he ever fought as a pro if they were indeed pro fights but this report shows as the Raul Lopez fight at a later date being his true debut.

I'd love to see if there's data on some of his earlier fights and some of his non-title fights and early fights. From what I'm told in Brazil it's hard to track down such things as they don't really have a culture of preserving things from what his son had told me. I'd love to see some of the amateur details too but beyond what's been recorded at the Olympics and stuff he'd said on the documentaries about him that's been hard to trace too.

[John]

Please don't assume anything about the reliability or reputability of this Federation.

[Bob]

I am working on his amateur record...her is what I have so far:

Eder Jofre

1953
Jan 31 Jose Duran Garcia Sao Paulo
Mar 15 Alberto Rodrigues TKO 1 Sao Paulo Torneio Operario de Boxe
Aug 12 Joao dos Santos Pinto Sao Paulo
Aug 16 Manoel Medina Sao Paulo Campeon. de Novissimos "Mario Geri"
Sep 16 Luis B. Dias TKO 2 Sao Paulo
Oct 14 Luis B. Dias W 3 Sao Paulo
Nov 3 Armando Leme W w/o Sao Paulo Campeonato Brazil
Nov 23 Joao Santana KO 1 Sao Paulo
Nov 28 Raimundo Alves W w/o Rio de Janeiro
Nov 29 Walfrido Tourinho KO 1 Rio de Janeiro
Dec 17 Valdomiro Torres W 3 Montevideo, URU
Dec 23 Valdomiro Torres W 3 Montevideo, URU Torneio 'Ramon Platero'

1954
Apr 7 Acyr Mendonca W 6 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Apr 16 Acyr Mendonca W 4 Pacaembu ***listed as "profissionais"
May 19 Ari dos Santos KO 3 Sao Paulo
Sep 27 Ari dos Santos L w/o Sao Paulo (Jofre fractured his hand in prelim)
Dec 18 Ari dos Santos TKO 2 Sao Paulo

1955
Jan 19 Claudio Silva W 3 Sao Paulo
Apr 27 Claudio Silva W 3 Sao Paulo
May 4 Orlando Brito TKO 1 Sao Paulo
Sep 10 Joao Santana TKO 2 Sao Paulo
Sep 14 Geraldo Magalhaes W 3 Sao Paulo
Sep 17 Valdemar Santos W 3 Sao Paulo Campeonato Brazil
Oct 24 Pedro Praxedes W 3 Sao Paulo Torneio 'Luvas de Oure'
Nov 18 Francisco de Lima W 3 Sao Paulo
Dec 19 Francisco de Lima W 3 Sao Paulo

1956
Feb 18 Acir Sereno Sao Paulo
Apr 6 Walter Valentim W 6 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Apr 27 Pedro Praxedes TKO 5 Sao Paulo "profissionais" (scheduled for 6 rounds)
Jun 20 Francisco de Lima TKO 3 Sao Paulo
Jun 30 Luis Augusto Silva W 3 Rio de Janeiro
Jul 13 Ataide de Oliveira W 3 Sao Paulo ***possibly W 6
Aug 10 Aniceto Pereyra W 3 Pacaembu ***possibly W 6
Sep 21 Osmar Croccichia TKO 3 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Oct 9 Manuel Vega TKO 2 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 14 Guido Granizo W w/o Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 20 Goncalo Chavez W 3 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 23 Aniceto Pereyra L 3 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Nov 26 Thein Myint W 3 Melbourne, AUS Olympic Games
Nov 28 Claudio Barrientos L 3 Melbourne, AUS Olympic Games

[Bob]

...and my email address is [email protected] , so if you could send that commission record it would be great to examine.

[chrisjs1985]

...and my email address is [email protected] , so if you could send that commission record it would be great to examine.

I sent them to you. Let me know if it appears. I sent my from phone. If it doesn’t work I’ll send from my office computer tomorrow.

Thanks

[chrisjs1985]

Wow. Great work. Thanks a lot for this.

I am working on his amateur record...her is what I have so far:

Eder Jofre

1953
Jan 31 Jose Duran Garcia Sao Paulo
Mar 15 Alberto Rodrigues TKO 1 Sao Paulo Torneio Operario de Boxe
Aug 12 Joao dos Santos Pinto Sao Paulo
Aug 16 Manoel Medina Sao Paulo Campeon. de Novissimos "Mario Geri"
Sep 16 Luis B. Dias TKO 2 Sao Paulo
Oct 14 Luis B. Dias W 3 Sao Paulo
Nov 3 Armando Leme W w/o Sao Paulo Campeonato Brazil
Nov 23 Joao Santana KO 1 Sao Paulo
Nov 28 Raimundo Alves W w/o Rio de Janeiro
Nov 29 Walfrido Tourinho KO 1 Rio de Janeiro
Dec 17 Valdomiro Torres W 3 Montevideo, URU
Dec 23 Valdomiro Torres W 3 Montevideo, URU Torneio 'Ramon Platero'

1954
Apr 7 Acyr Mendonca W 6 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Apr 16 Acyr Mendonca W 4 Pacaembu ***listed as "profissionais"
May 19 Ari dos Santos KO 3 Sao Paulo
Sep 27 Ari dos Santos L w/o Sao Paulo (Jofre fractured his hand in prelim)
Dec 18 Ari dos Santos TKO 2 Sao Paulo

1955
Jan 19 Claudio Silva W 3 Sao Paulo
Apr 27 Claudio Silva W 3 Sao Paulo
May 4 Orlando Brito TKO 1 Sao Paulo
Sep 10 Joao Santana TKO 2 Sao Paulo
Sep 14 Geraldo Magalhaes W 3 Sao Paulo
Sep 17 Valdemar Santos W 3 Sao Paulo Campeonato Brazil
Oct 24 Pedro Praxedes W 3 Sao Paulo Torneio 'Luvas de Oure'
Nov 18 Francisco de Lima W 3 Sao Paulo
Dec 19 Francisco de Lima W 3 Sao Paulo

1956
Feb 18 Acir Sereno Sao Paulo
Apr 6 Walter Valentim W 6 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Apr 27 Pedro Praxedes TKO 5 Sao Paulo "profissionais" (scheduled for 6 rounds)
Jun 20 Francisco de Lima TKO 3 Sao Paulo
Jun 30 Luis Augusto Silva W 3 Rio de Janeiro
Jul 13 Ataide de Oliveira W 3 Sao Paulo ***possibly W 6
Aug 10 Aniceto Pereyra W 3 Pacaembu ***possibly W 6
Sep 21 Osmar Croccichia TKO 3 Sao Paulo ***scheduled for 6 rounds
Oct 9 Manuel Vega TKO 2 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 14 Guido Granizo W w/o Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 20 Goncalo Chavez W 3 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Oct 23 Aniceto Pereyra L 3 Montevideo, URU Campeonato Latino Americano
Nov 26 Thein Myint W 3 Melbourne, AUS Olympic Games
Nov 28 Claudio Barrientos L 3 Melbourne, AUS Olympic Games