Joke Calzaghe! Seven Weeks Away and No Joe Foe!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 May 2006, 06:14

pundit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Ottke was very effective at what he did, but at times it was bordering on simply running away around the ring, I watched his fight with Larssen, and Ottke spent large periods of the fight doing nothing but wheeling round the ring feinting with the jab. Hideous style to watch, and it's not like I hate fancy dans. I love watching technical boxing, but Ottke's style was the stuff of nightmares.
Yeah, but Larsen was the way-past-his-prime Ottke. The prime Ottke could run AND conterpunch, in-out before the opponent realized what had happened. The past-prime Ottke could only run OR counterpunch, and he normally opted for running.

trouble is, Ottke racked up a lot of those backward circling defences. Fighting four times a year meant we got to see a lot of him past his prime executing an execrable style.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 May 2006, 07:34

Coconut wrote:A friend of mine who should know was 100% cetain yesterday that Lacy will be in the other corner in July.

US TV think it's still a winner.

I cant see that happening, I cant see Shaw putting Lacy straight back in with Calzaghe now. Another fight like last time would as good as finish his career IMO.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2006, 07:53

Coconut wrote:A friend of mine who should know was 100% cetain yesterday that Lacy will be in the other corner in July.

US TV think it's still a winner.

Even after the beating he took.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 22 May 2006, 07:58

I find that completely implausible on a whole number of levels.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 22 May 2006, 08:03

How about Rudy Markussen? He's in training for a fight in early July anyway, and seems to be pissing his career away fighting jouneymen atm. Has he got lost in the shuffle now that Kessler would seem to be Palle's meal-ticket?

I'd pick Joe to do a number on him, but I'd have thought he'd be a saleable fight (only 1 loss Ottke - didn't see that fight but, with Ottke, Frank can alway claim it was a robbery). Markussen would definately come to win, too. It's an 'easy' fight, but not too easy, setting Joe up for a bigger fight next time around.

I expect Palle would want silly money, but you never know. If he has lost interest now Kessler's the star, he might want to cash in.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 22 May 2006, 09:21

I'm not defending Lacy at all. Just these were the things he was hearing from SN over the weekend.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2006, 09:22

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 May 2006, 09:39

nickd wrote:
Coconut wrote:A friend of mine who should know was 100% cetain yesterday that Lacy will be in the other corner in July.

US TV think it's still a winner.
I cant see that happening, I cant see Shaw putting Lacy straight back in with Calzaghe now. Another fight like last time would as good as finish his career IMO.

Cannot see the sense in this, they need to rebuild Lacy's confidence and profile, he would get smashed to fuckries if they fought again, probably stopped this time too.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 May 2006, 11:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
nickd wrote:
Coconut wrote:A friend of mine who should know was 100% cetain yesterday that Lacy will be in the other corner in July.

US TV think it's still a winner.
I cant see that happening, I cant see Shaw putting Lacy straight back in with Calzaghe now. Another fight like last time would as good as finish his career IMO.
Cannot see the sense in this, they need to rebuild Lacy's confidence and profile, he would get smashed to fuckries if they fought again, probably stopped this time too.

Alot will depend on Lacy's state of mind and financial situation. Thinking back, I'm sure there was a rematch clause - therefore if Team Lacy want the fight - then it might very well happen. Remember Tyson was still supposed to fight Lewis (after Klitchsko) despite the pounding he took.

I'm not sure Team Lacy will want it - but he is a dangerous puncher, now he is a dangerous puncher who has been seriously exposed as that... Cannot see many of the other champions queing up to fight him.

The rematch might be more interesting, cause I have no doubts Calzaghe's training camp will not be as intense - and surely Lacy cannot fight that badly again... Although, I don't want to see it and I would be pretty cheesed off it is a Lacy rematch.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 May 2006, 11:09

I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 May 2006, 11:12

Yeah, cannot see the networks rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of watching someone get beat to a pulp. It's one thing to see a great performance from Calzaghe, but another to EXPECT to watch him spank Lacy all over the ring. Where's the drama in that? It would be like watching someone squashing a snail.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 22 May 2006, 11:12

nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.

Don't underestimate Warren.... Nothing's impossible with this guy (except for JC fighting a genuinely dangerous opponent).

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 May 2006, 11:12

nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.

rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 May 2006, 11:16

stujones wrote:
nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.
rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.

True but I seriously doubt Lacy or Shaw will want any of it. Its not going to happen.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 22 May 2006, 11:26

stujones wrote:
nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.
rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.

Why would Tyson have a rematch clause, I mean he didn't even bring any belts to the fight... a clause to regain credibility, never heard of that before.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 May 2006, 11:29

stujones wrote:
nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.
rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.

Not comparable. Mosley was a well established big time fighter, whereas Lacy had been trumped up by the media and exposed. Tyson until the McBride defeat was still relative box office gold, and Lewis was the big man in the heavyweight division.

If you think rematches happen if networks aren't interested in them Stu, then you know less about boxing than I figured.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 May 2006, 11:30

lvlarc_uk wrote:
stujones wrote:
nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.
rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.
Why would Tyson have a rematch clause, I mean he didn't even bring any belts to the fight... a clause to regain credibility, never heard of that before.

It was a two way rematch clause (if Lewis lost he was entitled to use it).... You are talking about the only big fight out there that took years to negotiate - the TV companies were bound to make sure a rematch could be quickly arranged under the same terms as match 1. Also, I think a rematch clause was there because of the TV situation in the states - one was with HBO, the other with Showtime.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 May 2006, 11:31

lvlarc_uk wrote:
stujones wrote:
nickd wrote:I fail to see how anyone can sell a rematch of such a one sided beating, it just isnt going to happen.
rematch clauses are rematch clauses (if there was one)... Doesn't really matter about selling the fight.

Remember Wright vs Moseley II happend (much better fight aswell) and Tyson vs Lewis II would have happend but for Lewis retiring.
Why would Tyson have a rematch clause, I mean he didn't even bring any belts to the fight... a clause to regain credibility, never heard of that before.

There was definitely a rematch clause for both parties for Lewis v Tyson, they were going to make the second fight too. But I dont think its comparable, Tyson even after the beating in the first fight was still a valuable commodity and the biggest name in the sport. Lacy is nowhere near that!

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 22 May 2006, 11:40

No, and again not to defnd the call in any way, but the US don't have the names at the moment - everyone with a big name is on the wane and the new batch aren't exactly making bank managers cream their pants. They need to make guys like Lacy big - sink or swim for the lad, this would be.

I can definitely see a Lacy rematch, although I would have thought that perhaps might have been a fallback for the US foray, should Tarver prove to be too much of a wanker at the negotiating table.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 May 2006, 11:41

Coconut wrote:No, and again not to defnd the call in any way, but the US don't have the names at the moment - everyone with a big name is on the wane and the new batch aren't exactly making bank managers cream their pants. They need to make guys like Lacy big - sink or swim for the lad, this would be.

I can definitely see a Lacy rematch, although I would have thought that perhaps might have been a fallback for the US foray, should Tarver prove to be too much of a wanker at the negotiating table.

I really dont see it happening, Shaw himself said Calzaghe was phenomenal against Lacy and Lacy was never in the fight. With a couple of comeback wins Lacy is a valuable commodity again and can make Shaw some money - is he really going to just throw him back in with Calzaghe and ruin him? No chance.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 22 May 2006, 11:46

No way will there be a rematch for Lacy... who knows he may be shot now after that fight, he took a possibly career ruining beating both physically and mentally and I can't see anyone being able to sell a rematch...

Paul Powler · Post by **Paul Powler** » 22 May 2006, 14:47

So, here we are six weeks away from the fight and the best opponent we can see Joe facing in the guy he butt-raped in his last fight? Way to go Warren... on the subject of promoters not doing their job, I 100% agree with Frank Maloney's press release today... Carl Froch and Prick Hennessey didn't do shit to promote this Friday's Magee fight and they should be ashamed of themselves... just because Prick came THIRD in a purse bid for his one "star" fighter he takes his ball and goes home...

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 22 May 2006, 15:59

Paul Powler wrote:So, here we are six weeks away from the fight and the best opponent we can see Joe facing in the guy he butt-raped in his last fight? Way to go Warren... on the subject of promoters not doing their job, I 100% agree with Frank Maloney's press release today... Carl Froch and Prick Hennessey didn't do shit to promote this Friday's Magee fight and they should be ashamed of themselves... just because Prick came THIRD in a purse bid for his one "star" fighter he takes his ball and goes home...

You don't get it. There is nobody else to fight. Lacy is the second best super-middlweight in the world, so if Calzaghe wants to fight the best the necessayr choice is Lacy. It's not Calzaghe's fault that he's so much better than Lacy and, per implication, everybody else.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2006, 16:32

I can;t believe some guys think he'll rematch Lacy!

Most you you didn't listen to me when I knew Joe would win.

Dan Birmingham said to Boxing Monthly he ain't letting Lacy near him again too.

Plus Lacy said he ain't fighting till October.

Kessler saw that and wanted none of that.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 22 May 2006, 16:49

Max Molyneux wrote: Most you you didn't listen to me when I knew Joe would win.

I recall you writing some retarded stuff about Calzaghe's superior power....