pac still top 10 p4p

[man]

that is just amazing.

[jamamb]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

[tiny_acres]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time

[oogiebe]

No, he isn't.

[Duran1970]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time

He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyone

[Onetimeonly]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

[Duran1970]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

#12 on my list

[Onetimeonly]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

#12 on my list

Too high.

[jamamb]

i think he is prob still a top 5-6 ww today, but p4p not top 15 for me, not sure if even top 20, would have to check more

[oogiebe]

that is just amazing.

Just seeing Wilder at 14 on BoxRec's P4P makes this list suspect. Pac is no higher than 20-25, without really looking closely.

[Duran1970]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

#12 on my list

Too high.

Maybe I am

[oogiebe]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

#12 on my list

Too high.

Maybe I am

LOL!!!

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't have him Top 10 anymore. I have him ranked like #6 or so as a Welterweight at the moment.

He's still a very good fighter, and still competes at a highly respectable level. He's just not the phenom he was at his peak.

[Onetimeonly]

He's likely still top 30 or 40.

#12 on my list

Too high.

Maybe I am

not like p4p matters but I'd have bud, Spence, Thurman and Porter over him at welter. Though Keith is arguable. Garcia is too.

[tiny_acres]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time

He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyone

I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore

[oogiebe]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time

He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyone

I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore

Seems to me your post was pretty fair. I didn't find it as anti Pac. The guy is well past it and shouldn't be in the discussion for current Top 10 P4P.

[Duran1970]

Thurmond porter and Garcia haven't looked very good lately...those would be pick em fights...i think PAC could win on workrate and punch volume

[Onetimeonly]

Thurmond porter and Garcia haven't looked very good lately...those would be pick em fights...i think PAC could win on workrate and punch volume

Fair, none of those guys are in anyone's top 12 p4p either.

[tiny_acres]

Thurmond porter and Garcia haven't looked very good lately...those would be pick em fights...i think PAC could win on workrate and punch volume

I don't
But it's all an opinion until they get in the ring together

[jamamb]

hmm, i defo think pac shouldnt be written off from beating at least one of those guys, not that id favour him, but i cud see him winning a fight if he fought all of them

[Onetimeonly]

hmm, i defo think pac shouldnt be written off from beating at least one of those guys, not that id favour him, but i cud see him winning a fight if he fought all of them

Thurman might be finished.

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Thurmond porter and Garcia haven't looked very good lately...those would be pick em fights...i think PAC could win on workrate and punch volume

I agree. Danny has looked pretty average for a while now, Thurman is barely ever seen near a ring, and Porter blows hot and cold. Manny also beat Broner far easier than Porter did.

The only welters I'd pick to clearly beat Manny, are Spence and Crawford. Those other three are even money at best (I think Pac beats Danny clear).

I wouldn't be sure about picking Thurman/Porter/Danny over Prograis or Taylor either, should either of those move up.

[ValMar]

I wouldn't have him Top 10 anymore. I have him ranked like #6 or so as a Welterweight at the moment.

He's still a very good fighter, and still competes at a highly respectable level. He's just not the phenom he was at his peak.

Yes !

[boxing_rocks]

on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world

Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time

He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyone

I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore

It is also quite possible that he can still beat Thurman, Porter and Danny. Still would only be top 15-20 p4p.