Is Anthony Joshua among the top ten HWs since 2000 ?

[oogiebe]

I kind of struggled to put this list together, because Hall-of-Famers like Lennox Lewis didn’t compete much since the turn of the Millenium.

Also, it’s hard to evaluate the sort of fighters worthy of places 8th, 9th & 10th in the list, because the heavyweight division was either weak or sometimes the perceived “better” names didn’t face each other. Any number of fighters could’ve easily taken those slots in my list, such as:

• Hasim Rahman
• John Ruiz
• James Toney
• David Haye
• Nikolay Valuev

However, all these guys were deeply flawed in their own way (as-is Chris Byrd, Kubrat Pulev & Ruslan Chagaev).

Anyway, you guys will probably laugh at my list, but here’s my top ten since 2000:

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Tyson Fury
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Chris Byrd
9. Kubrat Pulev
10. Ruslan Chagaev

For the record, longevity on the world scene is one of my main criteria also (such as their world ratings between 2000 through to the end of 2018, hence the reason why Tyson Fury is rated so high).

Deontay Wilder’s rating is a tricky one, because he deserves to be rated highly due to his accomplishments ad longevity, but I’m convinced that a lot of heavyweights could’ve beaten him if they faced each other in their prime (i.e. David Haye, James Toney etc.).

Anyway, I’m looking forward to being aggressively ridiculed for my thoughts!

I WILL laugh at that list.
Lennox just edging Povetkin, in the SAME BREATH as decent SMW Chris Byrd ?! Behind a guy he beat when he was old, past it, thought he was fighting Kirk Johnson and in one of his notorious complacent phases.
Jeez Louise !
WT. Actual F.

My list is in the context of who achieved the most in the sport since the start of the Millennium. It wasn’t a greatest ever list.

Lewis didn’t compete much since the year 2K onwards.

Lewis did enough to be best since 2000, don't kid yourself. Including beating your number two.

Vitali was on the ascendancy, he was still improving and Lewis retired rather than take the rematch, even though he originally wanted to do one. I guess we’ll never know what the outcome of their bout would’ve been had the cut never happened.

Lewis is a greater fighter than all the names on my list, but others achieved more since the start of the Millennium.

I don't agree. He beat Tua; split with Rahman; KO'd Tyson; stopped Vitali (whether you like it or not). That's enough for me compared to the others since 2000. Vitali on the ascendancy? He was 32 y/o already. He had more wins since 2000, but not a very respectable list of names.

[Enlightened-One]

I kind of struggled to put this list together, because Hall-of-Famers like Lennox Lewis didn’t compete much since the turn of the Millenium.

Also, it’s hard to evaluate the sort of fighters worthy of places 8th, 9th & 10th in the list, because the heavyweight division was either weak or sometimes the perceived “better” names didn’t face each other. Any number of fighters could’ve easily taken those slots in my list, such as:

• Hasim Rahman
• John Ruiz
• James Toney
• David Haye
• Nikolay Valuev

However, all these guys were deeply flawed in their own way (as-is Chris Byrd, Kubrat Pulev & Ruslan Chagaev).

Anyway, you guys will probably laugh at my list, but here’s my top ten since 2000:

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Tyson Fury
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Chris Byrd
9. Kubrat Pulev
10. Ruslan Chagaev

For the record, longevity on the world scene is one of my main criteria also (such as their world ratings between 2000 through to the end of 2018, hence the reason why Tyson Fury is rated so high).

Deontay Wilder’s rating is a tricky one, because he deserves to be rated highly due to his accomplishments ad longevity, but I’m convinced that a lot of heavyweights could’ve beaten him if they faced each other in their prime (i.e. David Haye, James Toney etc.).

Anyway, I’m looking forward to being aggressively ridiculed for my thoughts!

I WILL laugh at that list.
Lennox just edging Povetkin, in the SAME BREATH as decent SMW Chris Byrd ?! Behind a guy he beat when he was old, past it, thought he was fighting Kirk Johnson and in one of his notorious complacent phases.
Jeez Louise !
WT. Actual F.

My list is in the context of who achieved the most in the sport since the start of the Millennium. It wasn’t a greatest ever list.

Lewis didn’t compete much since the year 2K onwards.

Lewis did enough to be best since 2000, don't kid yourself. Including beating your number two.

Vitali was on the ascendancy, he was still improving and Lewis retired rather than take the rematch, even though he originally wanted to do one. I guess we’ll never know what the outcome of their bout would’ve been had the cut never happened.

Lewis is a greater fighter than all the names on my list, but others achieved more since the start of the Millennium.

I don't agree. He beat Tua; split with Rahman; KO'd Tyson; stopped Vitali (whether you like it or not). That's enough for me compared to the others since 2000. Vitali on the ascendancy? He was 32 y/o already. He had more wins since 2000, but not a very respectable list of names.

Tua, Tyson and Rahman weren’t impressive wins in context. Not terrible, but nothing special either. None of those guys achieved much in the sport since year 2K onwards.

We’ll agree to disagree.

If I was to put together a list of the best pound-for-pounders competing in boxing since the start of the current decade, would you criticise me for excluding Roy Jones Jr., even though he’s an all-time-great?

[oogiebe]

I kind of struggled to put this list together, because Hall-of-Famers like Lennox Lewis didn’t compete much since the turn of the Millenium.

Also, it’s hard to evaluate the sort of fighters worthy of places 8th, 9th & 10th in the list, because the heavyweight division was either weak or sometimes the perceived “better” names didn’t face each other. Any number of fighters could’ve easily taken those slots in my list, such as:

• Hasim Rahman
• John Ruiz
• James Toney
• David Haye
• Nikolay Valuev

However, all these guys were deeply flawed in their own way (as-is Chris Byrd, Kubrat Pulev & Ruslan Chagaev).

Anyway, you guys will probably laugh at my list, but here’s my top ten since 2000:

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Tyson Fury
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Chris Byrd
9. Kubrat Pulev
10. Ruslan Chagaev

For the record, longevity on the world scene is one of my main criteria also (such as their world ratings between 2000 through to the end of 2018, hence the reason why Tyson Fury is rated so high).

Deontay Wilder’s rating is a tricky one, because he deserves to be rated highly due to his accomplishments ad longevity, but I’m convinced that a lot of heavyweights could’ve beaten him if they faced each other in their prime (i.e. David Haye, James Toney etc.).

Anyway, I’m looking forward to being aggressively ridiculed for my thoughts!

I WILL laugh at that list.
Lennox just edging Povetkin, in the SAME BREATH as decent SMW Chris Byrd ?! Behind a guy he beat when he was old, past it, thought he was fighting Kirk Johnson and in one of his notorious complacent phases.
Jeez Louise !
WT. Actual F.

My list is in the context of who achieved the most in the sport since the start of the Millennium. It wasn’t a greatest ever list.

Lewis didn’t compete much since the year 2K onwards.

Lewis did enough to be best since 2000, don't kid yourself. Including beating your number two.

Vitali was on the ascendancy, he was still improving and Lewis retired rather than take the rematch, even though he originally wanted to do one. I guess we’ll never know what the outcome of their bout would’ve been had the cut never happened.

Lewis is a greater fighter than all the names on my list, but others achieved more since the start of the Millennium.

I don't agree. He beat Tua; split with Rahman; KO'd Tyson; stopped Vitali (whether you like it or not). That's enough for me compared to the others since 2000. Vitali on the ascendancy? He was 32 y/o already. He had more wins since 2000, but not a very respectable list of names.

Tua, Tyson and Rahman weren’t impressive wins in context. Not terrible, but nothing special either. None of those guys achieved much in the sport since year 2K onwards.

We’ll agree to disagree.

If I was to put together a list of the best pound-for-pounders competing in boxing since the start of the current decade, would you criticise me for excluding Roy Jones Jr., even though he’s an all-time-great?

You didn't include Vitali on that list. So which three opponents were better that Vitali fought post 2000??????

[Bard of Boxrec]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

[Enlightened-One]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

[Lackeos]

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Tyson Fury
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Chris Byrd
9. Kubrat Pulev
10. Ruslan Chagaev

Joshua beat Povetkin and Wlad, and is undefeated. Ranking Joshua below #5 is not acceptable. Joshua's best win is better than Povetkin's best. Joshua's second best win is better than Povetkin's second best. Joshua's third best win is better than Povetkin's third best. Joshua's fourth best win is better than Povetkin's fourth best. Joshua beat Povetkin and beat the other guy who beat Povetkin.

A 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko that had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat in his previous outing and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.

A 28-year-old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 39-year-old past-his-prime version of Alexander Povetkin that hadn’t delivered an impressive performance for several years, as well as going life and death with David Price, which was a bout that was previously considered as being a blatant mismatch, since the Russian’s opponent was merely a British domestic level fighter.

Can we at least agree on those facts, since they cannot possibly be refuted, can they?

Anthony Joshua’s bouts against both of these men were universally regarded as being really tough contests for the Brit. It seemed clear to me at the time that had AJ faced much younger prime iterations of these men, he’d have very likely lost.

Beating an opponent with a name is meaningless, unless you personally feel that the following fighters deserve to be regarded as Hall-of-Famers, simply because they hold victories over all-time-greats that were past-their-primes: Kevin McBride, Danny Williams, Trevor Berbick, Larry Donald and Mick Leahy?

You really need to be able to objectively evaluate the outcome of bouts by appreciating their true context, because if you can’t do that, then you shouldn’t be following the sport in the first place! You need to do much more than read through websites detailing the professional records of fighters! It's only one piece of the proverbial puzzle!

Those versions of Wlad and Povetkin were better than anyone Povetkin has beaten in his entire career. If you don't understand that, then you shouldn’t be following the sport in the first place! You need to do much more than read through websites detailing the professional records of fighters! It's only one piece of the proverbial puzzle!

Joshua beat the divisional #2 heavyweight, other top 10 opponents, and is undefeated. Kevin McBride, Danny Williams, Trevor Berbick, Larry Donald and Mick Leahy did not beat any divisional top 2 opponents, were not undefeated, and did not put together a win streak including numerous top 10 opponents. Your analogy is garbage, because you've failed to compare two things that are actually the comparable and have similar characteristics. Joshua's record is more similar to Tyson Fury, Riddick Bowe, Vitali Klitschko, Terrence Crawford, Errol Spence, Oleksandr Gvozdyk (but better), etc.

Also, you should take it as a hint that there are SEVERAL people in this thread who think your list is garbage. Literally anyone could have done a better job, as long as they made sure to include Wlad, Vitali, Lennox, Fury, Wilder, and Joshua in the top 6; which is like... an easy thing to do for even the most brain dead casual fan.

[ValMar]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

[tiny_acres]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

I would say Povetkin has to be in the top 7.

[Thunder and Lightning]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

No love for Hasim Rahman? He may be the worst undisputed champion in history but he does have in my opinion the single biggest win out of any heavyweight in all of the 2000s and also have some other okey scalps on his record like Sanders and Barrett but i think he deserves more of a consideration for the top ten then guys like Valuev, Tua, Thompson, Ortiz and Haye just on the Lewis KO.

[jamamb]

rahman also boxed tuas head off for like 18 of there 21 rounds

[ValMar]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

No love for Hasim Rahman? He may be the worst undisputed champion in history but he does have in my opinion the single biggest win out of any heavyweight in all of the 2000s and also have some other okey scalps on his record like Sanders and Barrett but i think he deserves more of a consideration for the top ten then guys like Valuev, Tua, Thompson, Ortiz and Haye just on the Lewis KO.

Hasim Rahman ? Very difficult question. He has been a warior, absolutely, decent or very decent, but never great (sorry, he had one day of greatness). I will try to be benevolent, and accept him as #10 (maximum), because of mentioned "one day of greatness".
Again, does the lucky punch really exist ?

[Thunder and Lightning]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

No love for Hasim Rahman? He may be the worst undisputed champion in history but he does have in my opinion the single biggest win out of any heavyweight in all of the 2000s and also have some other okey scalps on his record like Sanders and Barrett but i think he deserves more of a consideration for the top ten then guys like Valuev, Tua, Thompson, Ortiz and Haye just on the Lewis KO.

Hasim Rahman ? Very difficult question. He has been a warior, absolutely, decent or very decent, but never great (sorry, he had one day of greatness). I will try to be benevolent, and accept him as #10 (maximum), because of mentioned "one day of greatness".
Again, does the lucky punch really exist ?

I agree with that, I actually dont think Rahman had any day of greatness he did get lucky and caught Lennox but at the same time the 2000s realy had 2 great fighters (unless you want to count Vitali who didnt realy have either longevity or any great wins, Sanders probably being his best).

Even Fury and Wilder doesnt realy have more good wins than Rahman yet so i guess its about if you rank based on head vs head matchups wich i can then see youre point completley and wouldnt rate Rahman highly either but if its on resumee and accomplishments i dont know if you can name 9 that are clearly better in the 2000s.
Thus far the 2000s has been pretty weak for heavyweights.

[ValMar]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

No love for Hasim Rahman? He may be the worst undisputed champion in history but he does have in my opinion the single biggest win out of any heavyweight in all of the 2000s and also have some other okey scalps on his record like Sanders and Barrett but i think he deserves more of a consideration for the top ten then guys like Valuev, Tua, Thompson, Ortiz and Haye just on the Lewis KO.

Hasim Rahman ? Very difficult question. He has been a warior, absolutely, decent or very decent, but never great (sorry, he had one day of greatness). I will try to be benevolent, and accept him as #10 (maximum), because of mentioned "one day of greatness".
Again, does the lucky punch really exist ?

I agree with that, I actually dont think Rahman had any day of greatness he did get lucky and caught Lennox but at the same time the 2000s realy had 2 great fighters (unless you want to count Vitali who didnt realy have either longevity or any great wins, Sanders probably being his best).

Even Fury and Wilder doesnt realy have more good wins than Rahman yet so i guess its about if you rank based on head vs head matchups wich i can then see youre point completley and wouldnt rate Rahman highly either but if its on resumee and accomplishments i dont know if you can name 9 that are clearly better in the 2000s.
Thus far the 2000s has been pretty weak for heavyweights.

I agree with you, at least 90 %.
I think it is almost impossible to mention 9 names "clearly better".
For example : Chagaev or Rahman - 51/49 Chagaev; Byrd or Rahman -50/50, etc...etc....(it is my opinion, only).............

[Thunder and Lightning]

OK, I apologize. The poll question should have been : Is Anthony Joshua among the top five HWs since 2000.

So, there are six fighters (without any dilemma) deserved to be here : Lewis, Klitschko brothers and recent top fighters (Joshua, Fury and Wilder).

The rest ? I will mention several names : Ortiz, Povetkin, Chagaev, Tua, Valuev, Haye. Even Byrd or Thompson might be considered as # 9 or 10.

I have to mention Solis, his resume is pretty weak, of course, but he had the potential to be among the top 5, surely.

No love for Hasim Rahman? He may be the worst undisputed champion in history but he does have in my opinion the single biggest win out of any heavyweight in all of the 2000s and also have some other okey scalps on his record like Sanders and Barrett but i think he deserves more of a consideration for the top ten then guys like Valuev, Tua, Thompson, Ortiz and Haye just on the Lewis KO.

Hasim Rahman ? Very difficult question. He has been a warior, absolutely, decent or very decent, but never great (sorry, he had one day of greatness). I will try to be benevolent, and accept him as #10 (maximum), because of mentioned "one day of greatness".
Again, does the lucky punch really exist ?

I agree with that, I actually dont think Rahman had any day of greatness he did get lucky and caught Lennox but at the same time the 2000s realy had 2 great fighters (unless you want to count Vitali who didnt realy have either longevity or any great wins, Sanders probably being his best).

Even Fury and Wilder doesnt realy have more good wins than Rahman yet so i guess its about if you rank based on head vs head matchups wich i can then see youre point completley and wouldnt rate Rahman highly either but if its on resumee and accomplishments i dont know if you can name 9 that are clearly better in the 2000s.
Thus far the 2000s has been pretty weak for heavyweights.

I agree with you, at least 90 %.
I think it is almost impossible to mention 9 names "clearly better".
For example : Chagaev or Rahman - 51/49 Chagaev; Byrd or Rahman -50/50, etc...etc....(it is my opinion, only).............

Okey I just saw you said that Rahman was #10 maximum and by ”clearly better” i just meant that I can see him being alot higher since other than the top 3 or 4 spots the rest is realy up for grabs since no fighters record other then the very top stands out, thats just my opinion.

[Finkel]

What is the argument for Wilder being #6 and Valuev not ranking.

Surely Valuev should be above Wilder.
He was 46-0-0 when he lost the WBA title to Chagaev

He then reclaimed the WBA title and defended it a number of times before losing it to Haye (who was pretty much undisputed at Cruiser-weight)

So he is a two time champion. Surely that would put him top 10, and above Wilder.

I get people like Wilder on this forum, but his resume is paper thin. He's had three notable fights: Stivern 1, Ortiz (the old man with the heart condition, god knows how old he actually is), and got a (highly dubious) draw against the shadow of Tyson Fury.

I'm also curious why Pulev is even on the list above other names that have held world titles

[ValMar]

What is the argument for Wilder being #6 and Valuev not ranking.

Surely Valuev should be above Wilder.
He was 46-0-0 when he lost the WBA title to Chagaev

He then reclaimed the WBA title and defended it a number of times before losing it to Haye (who was pretty much undisputed at Cruiser-weight)

So he is a two time champion. Surely that would put him top 10, and above Wilder.

I get people like Wilder on this forum, but his resume is paper thin. He's had three notable fights: Stivern 1, Ortiz (the old man with the heart condition, god knows how old he actually is), and got a (highly dubious) draw against the shadow of Tyson Fury.

I'm also curious why Pulev is even on the list above other names that have held world titles

Again, Wilder deserved to be No. 4-6. Valuev might be the border-line (No. 9-15).
I agree about Pulev - too many soft opponents and a disaster vs. Wlad, for me he did not deserve to be among the top 15.

[Onetimeonly]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

He's the least accomplished fighter in there.

[oogiebe]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

He's the least accomplished fighter in there.

Weakest resume.

[Onetimeonly]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

He's the least accomplished fighter in there.

Weakest resume.

That's what I said.

[oogiebe]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

He's the least accomplished fighter in there.

Weakest resume.

That's what I said.

I was agreeing and reiterating.

[Finkel]

What is the argument for Wilder being #6 and Valuev not ranking.

Surely Valuev should be above Wilder.
He was 46-0-0 when he lost the WBA title to Chagaev

He then reclaimed the WBA title and defended it a number of times before losing it to Haye (who was pretty much undisputed at Cruiser-weight)

So he is a two time champion. Surely that would put him top 10, and above Wilder.

I get people like Wilder on this forum, but his resume is paper thin. He's had three notable fights: Stivern 1, Ortiz (the old man with the heart condition, god knows how old he actually is), and got a (highly dubious) draw against the shadow of Tyson Fury.

I'm also curious why Pulev is even on the list above other names that have held world titles

Again, Wilder deserved to be No. 4-6. Valuev might be the border-line (No. 9-15).
I agree about Pulev - too many soft opponents and a disaster vs. Wlad, for me he did not deserve to be among the top 15.

You wrote, "again" I had a quick scan back, but I don't see anything on this.
I honestly can't figure out the criteria you would use that puts
Wilder (4-6)
And
Valuev (9-15)

What criteria would potential put wilder #4 in the list of heavyweights since 2000?

[ValMar]

What is the argument for Wilder being #6 and Valuev not ranking.

Surely Valuev should be above Wilder.
He was 46-0-0 when he lost the WBA title to Chagaev

He then reclaimed the WBA title and defended it a number of times before losing it to Haye (who was pretty much undisputed at Cruiser-weight)

So he is a two time champion. Surely that would put him top 10, and above Wilder.

I get people like Wilder on this forum, but his resume is paper thin. He's had three notable fights: Stivern 1, Ortiz (the old man with the heart condition, god knows how old he actually is), and got a (highly dubious) draw against the shadow of Tyson Fury.

I'm also curious why Pulev is even on the list above other names that have held world titles

Again, Wilder deserved to be No. 4-6. Valuev might be the border-line (No. 9-15).
I agree about Pulev - too many soft opponents and a disaster vs. Wlad, for me he did not deserve to be among the top 15.

You wrote, "again" I had a quick scan back, but I don't see anything on this.
I honestly can't figure out the criteria you would use that puts
Wilder (4-6)
And
Valuev (9-15)

What criteria would potential put wilder #4 in the list of heavyweights since 2000?

Sorry, I thought that I had written this yesterday, but, I have checked, and yes, you are right. I apologize, again.
The decisive criteria are - the resume and head vs head fights. There is a little bit of my personal feeling, of course.
Wilder as # 4 ? Why not ? There are three fighters (old generation - Lewis, and Klitschkos) above him.
Joshua, Fury and Wilder are between #4 and #6, I have not any dilemma about that, but, I hope it will be known soon who is the best among them (and this fighter might be even # 1).

[Onetimeonly]

Vitali shouldn't be ahead of wilder, fury or Joshua.

[Enlightened-One]

Vitali’s career best win was Corrie sanders

What are your thoughts about Vitali being inducted into the IBHoF? Especially since you appear to have no respect for his accomplishments.

He's the least accomplished fighter in there.

In terms of accomplishment, is Vitali Klitschko less accomplished than Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson?

[JxhDel.]

Of course Joshua is!