skanksta wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 17:41
Mikey is an elite-level fighter, with elite-level skills. He’d completely given up trying to win, just to make it to the final bell.
It’s very difficult to get a stoppage in that situation- even with a size advantage.
No criticism whatsoever.
You're absolutely right. Mikey called out Spence, not the other way around. I really dont think Garcia expected Spence to be that skillful of a boxer. Once he fully realized that, he gradually morphed into survival mode. I've got no criticism of EITHER fighter. It took guts on Mikey's part to make a jump of 2 divisions to go against a P4P fighter like Errol.
My main regret is that we will probably never see Mikey vs Loma and even if we do Loma may borrow some of Spence's blueprint to outbox Garcia.
Who would ask this question? Spence did nothing but make Mikey look absolutely ridiculous. It’s not Spence’s fault that the fight was so one sided and rediculous.
The real question should be “has an elite undefeated boxer given up his undefeated record so ridiculously”? Sure Mikey deserves some credit for taking g a shot but it was absolutely ridiculous when you look at the results. Fault anyone for this fight and you have to fault Mikey. Dumb decision. Dumb performance.
Everyone expected him to bully Mike and win by a mid round KO, so instead Spence showed he was a better boxer by keeping the distance and making quick adjustments. If you look at it from a boxing standpoint Spence was quite in control of the fight.
The ONLY good thing that could come from this fight is now Mikey has no u defeated record to protect. I think that this makes a Mikey/Lona fight a heck of a lot more possible.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 18:22
Spence Jr. dominated Garcia. Canelo iced Amir Khan with one punch. Golovkin broke Brook’s face. Loma made Rigo quit.
There’s a pretty obvious theme here.
One minor difference with Rigo, who wanted to fight Loma at 126 but Arum "per$uaded" him to jump 2 divisions.
After 2/3 round's this fight was essentially over for Mikey he couldn't do nothing with the Bigger Stronger fighter in Spence Jr who is no Tommy Hearns in the Power or Finishing department [at welter anyway] I was a little surprised that the Ko/Tko didn't come the way Spence Jr was totally dominating the smaller out of his league at this weight Mikey that's probably the only criticism that I could possibly have regarding Spence Jr performance and calling out Past his best Manny instead of calling out Buddy was
It was a pointless fight. He's had a pointless 2 years since beating Brook. The massacre of Pacman that is supposed to come next will be another waste of time. Crawford, Thurman or Porter are the only fights at 147...
Spence fighting Pacquiao and probably walking all over him is not a waste of time.
It's the biggest payday of Spence's career, and that's never a waste of any fighter's time.
And also, it continues to introduce Spence to the non-hardcore fan. An opportunity for casuals to be wowed by Spence pounding out a legend who still remains one of boxing's biggest names.
A passing of the torch bout always serves that purpose. Pac gained mainstream stardom whacking out the shell of De La Hoya. Now it would be Spence's time to turn the trick.
It doesn't appear however that Pac has real interest in fighting Spence. In his Facebook poll asking fans who they wanted to see him battle next, Pacquiao noticeably left out Spence's name as a choice.
Pac's fans voted overwhelmingly for Mayweather. Either they want to see him gain revenge, or they don't want to witness him getting embarrassed and hurt by an actually still active top welter.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Mar 2019, 08:10
Spence fighting Pacquiao and probably walking all over him is not a waste of time.
It's the biggest payday of Spence's career, and that's never a waste of any fighter's time.
And also, it continues to introduce Spence to the non-hardcore fan. An opportunity for casuals to be wowed by Spence pounding out a legend who still remains one of boxing's biggest names.
A passing of the torch bout always serves that purpose. Pac gained mainstream stardom whacking out the shell of De La Hoya. Now it would be Spence's time to turn the trick.
It doesn't appear however that Pac has real interest in fighting Spence. In his Facebook poll asking fans who they wanted to see him battle next, Pacquiao noticeably left out Spence's name as a choice.
Pac's fans voted overwhelmingly for Mayweather. Either they want to see him gain revenge, or they don't want to witness him getting embarrassed and hurt by an actually still active top welter.
Excellent points amigo. Spence-Pac is the best fight for Errol both in terms of $$$ and name-recognition with casual fans. Unfortunately you are also correct that Manny does not seem to be interested in that fight because he avoided mentioning Spence in his Facebook fan pool!!
Ezzard wrote: ↑29 Mar 2019, 04:53
It was a pointless fight. He's had a pointless 2 years since beating Brook. The massacre of Pacman that is supposed to come next will be another waste of time. Crawford, Thurman or Porter are the only fights at 147...
And to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if Spence Jr. deserves a lot of credit for his high-reward very low-risk bout with Mikey Garcia either. He could have made a statement and bulldozed and stopped his smaller opponent, but instead he played it relatively safe. It was still a decent performance though.
I guess this depends on your definition of low risk, high reward. I perceived this as the opposite. It was low risk, high reward for Garcia as he had little to lose and a lot to gain by moving up 2 weight classes and facing arguably the best ww. Whereas, Spence had a lot to lose and little to gain. If he lost, he lost to the much smaller guy moving up 2 weight classes. But, he won, as he was supposed to. So, not a lot of reward there.
Or for showing complacency by following the much smaller guy for several rounds while never really going balls out for what appears to have been a very obtainable stoppage. Maybe he didn’t want to get caught but that he could have given a better show. Nobody would has criticized him for stopping Mikey and taking a chance would have given fans at least some level of entertainment
And to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if Spence Jr. deserves a lot of credit for his high-reward very low-risk bout with Mikey Garcia either. He could have made a statement and bulldozed and stopped his smaller opponent, but instead he played it relatively safe. It was still a decent performance though.
I guess this depends on your definition of low risk, high reward. I perceived this as the opposite. It was low risk, high reward for Garcia as he had little to lose and a lot to gain by moving up 2 weight classes and facing arguably the best ww. Whereas, Spence had a lot to lose and little to gain. If he lost, he lost to the much smaller guy moving up 2 weight classes. But, he won, as he was supposed to. So, not a lot of reward there.
It was low risk for Spence Jr., because he was paid handsomely to play the role of being a massive favourite and rightly so.
We can’t say that every fighter perceived as being a massive favourite is taking huge risks with their careers, because that’s utter nonsense.
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑31 Mar 2019, 17:58
Does he deserve criticism, no. Is he open to any criticism, of course, every fighter is.
I agree with this, though I do have a few niggling issues with Spence Jr.
I can’t praise him for the Garcia victory, because the outcome seemed a formality to me. I don’t hate him for it either though.
I feel we shouldn’t praise huge Goliath’s for beating up little David’s with masochistic tendencies.
Nitpicking should be substituted for "niggling". Calling Spence a "Goliath" is pure nonsense. His boxing skills were far superior to Mikey's and he used quicker hand speed to consistently beat Garcia to the punch. That had nothing to do with size. That's why the textbook schooling he gave Mikey was more impressive than an overpowering stoppage would have been.
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑31 Mar 2019, 17:58
Does he deserve criticism, no. Is he open to any criticism, of course, every fighter is.
I agree with this, though I do have a few niggling issues with Spence Jr.
I can’t praise him for the Garcia victory, because the outcome seemed a formality to me. I don’t hate him for it either though.
I feel we shouldn’t praise huge Goliath’s for beating up little David’s with masochistic tendencies.
Nitpicking should be substituted for "niggling". Calling Spence a "Goliath" is pure nonsense. His boxing skills were far superior to Mikey's and he used quicker hand speed to consistently beat Garcia to the punch. That had nothing to do with size. That's why the textbook schooling he gave Mikey was more impressive than an overpowering stoppage would have been.
ya same way loma totally schooled rigo in boxing skill instead of being just some bigger slugger, you gotta rate that really highly too
Being that much bigger affords you the opportunity to make anyone look less skillful than you. Spence was able to counter Mikey’s jab with hooks. I will believe Spence is a more talented boxer when Spence outboxes Canelo.
ya im not saying spences skill aint up there, cus it is and he may be better p4p then garcia too, but seriously do ppl not think size plays into 'boxing'? of course it does lol. several inches taller, several inches longer reach, more power and size ---that all helps to keep a guy at bay and shut down with your punches so you can outscore him even if your boxing measured. robert helenius could probably stand a foot out of mikeys range and jab and outscore to a wide decision if he wanted but he sure as hell aint a better boxer apart from size
size is not just exerted through mindlessly mauling a guy
Luckybattles wrote: ↑31 Mar 2019, 17:43
Or for showing complacency by following the much smaller guy for several rounds while never really going balls out for what appears to have been a very obtainable stoppage. Maybe he didn’t want to get caught but that he could have given a better show. Nobody would has criticized him for stopping Mikey and taking a chance would have given fans at least some level of entertainment
