Boxing show in Hungary: Saturday 23rd March

[escobar]

Boxrec had the schedule of the Hungarian show but is not putting up the results.

The fighters trained for months and fought.
Ashley Theophane, Prince Patel and Mark Demori where all on the show.

The event was OFFICIAL !!! The Slovakian Federation sanctioned !!!! And there was the Hungarian Federation too.

It was well attended and was a big gala event.

It’s your job to record the results. I’m waiting for response as I’ll be contacting my lawyers as Boxrec can not pick and choose what is official when Federations have sanctioned an event. In this case TWO.

[escobar]

Fight Report

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2019/03 ... l-hungary/

[Boxing888]

There is no explanation action from boxrec , this is harming the boxers ability to earn as they invested in these fights and now end up without the win on their record.

[SteveO]

It's an absolutely ridiculous situation.
I don't know why BoxRec pick and choose which contests to list - why not just list them all?
Perhaps one day we will get an official explanation.

[Boxing888]

Dear boxrec, can we get some info?

[escobar]

Dear boxrec, can we get some info?

Marina and John have read these posts and our messages. They’re choosing to stay silent. Which is weird as they are the self proclaimed official boxing record keepers.

[VegetaPhD]

Did anyone get an answer from Boxrec regarding this show? I suspect the show was mixed up with a second event that took place in Hungary on the same day, which was also removed. A quick revaluation will ensure it was legitimate (although many questionable shows are added daily even with missing data and also 'unsanctioned' events). Nevertheless, the fact that Boxrec believe themselves to be above providing any explanation, or at the very least, providing a single response to anyone is highly concerning, from both an ethical and moral standpoint. This is people's livelihoods which they are dismissing as trivial matters.

For shame.

[Boxing888]

Yes this was a real show with audience and the other show was a gym show I think. But surely they have seen that with the commission promoter boxers explaining it.

[scott shaffer]

The WBF results have now been taken down. This is weird but there should be an explanation or at least a post from a bixrec administrator explaining what kind of documentation is required.

[escobar]

Getting lawyers seems the only way.
The call themselves the official boxing record keepers but pick and choose what results they want to put up even when official commissions have sanctioned bout.

[VegetaPhD]

The WBF results have now been taken down. This is weird but there should be an explanation or at least a post from a Boxrec administrator explaining what kind of documentation is required.

I just checked the WBF website and the results and champions are still listed there.

http://www.worldboxingfoundation.com/cu ... -champions

http://www.worldboxingfoundation.com/cu ... -champions

There has been picture and video evidence of the event among different threads of this forum, not to mention the material that another poster suggested has been sent to Boxrec for the event to be uploaded. People traveled from all over the world to compete at this event. Their silence is beyond a joke at this point.

[escobar]

Getting lawyers seems the only way to go.
The Hungary show ticked all the boxes and is not being posted.
Ashley Theophane is fighting in Dubai in a months time.
A first time promoter will promote and only 500 people will be in attendance, are they not going to record that result also.
I'm disappointed in John and Marina with their stance. It makes no sense at all and they refuse to communicate with the people involved. The Silence is telling!

[Boxing888]

Fight fax , the offical records keepers have the show in their records book fyi, so it is an official show

[escobar]

So John says his lawyer said he shouldn’t comment until they go to court.
That makes no sense!
Why not update the results. Two commissions sanctioned the event. 3 known boxers was on it. Plus over 500 people. Plus video evidence been posted on social media.
This situation is stressful for fighters involved. Harming their careers and now John wants to spend money on lawyers instead of doing Boxrec’s job of recording results.

[Boxing888]

The show is official as fight fax received commission report. If boxrec decides to pick and choose promotions to upload without any information or guidance to promoters it is going to make boxers promoters and managers very clueless as to how to approach future fights

[escobar]

That’s what I’m hoping John and Marina Sheppard do.
I do not understand their stance.
The Hungary show ticks all the boxes.
The boxers have participated in a professional boxing match and Boxrec refuse to put up the results or even tell the boxers why.

The promoter works within the EBU rules.
The show was sanctioned by two commissions.
500 plus people attended. Televised.
3 well known fighters.

All everyone wants is for the results to be posted and everyone go about their business.

[Boxing888]

Dear boxrec, if you won’t let us know about Hungarian show, can we know for future reference what boxrec deems a show to be registered so boxers can avoid investing in their careers for these shows that aren’t being recorded by boxrec ? Thank you

[VegetaPhD]

John said:

Someone called Stacy Warren informed us she is going to take legal action to shut us down, spoke with lawyer and he says we cannot make any comment at all until it gets to court.

John, you finally speak saying your lawyer says you “cannot make any comment at all until it gets to court”, which is ridiculous as you have not made any comment so far. No explanation has been provided before anyone would have contacted you. But you now wish to go court with no prior communication or form of mediation to sort things amicably.

You won’t even answer Boxing888, as to what allows a show to be recorded. Looks as if there has been an agenda against this show from the start to which you hoped those involved would not speak and just drop it. Good luck to the boxers and promoter involved. I hope it can be resolved quickly for their sake, or at the very least they can finally receive a reason why it has not been recorded. Which is strange when considering the types of shows [sanctioned or not] that do get uploaded daily.

All the best to Theophane and the others with future fight results being recorded, I sincerely hope they do not get targeted again in the future as a result of this. Not everyone has the privilege of competing on massive cards in a filled out stadium.

[SteveO]

John said:

Very sad that it has come to this.
Surely common sense should prevail.

[escobar]

Not everyone is blessed to fight on big shows in USA and UK. Most fighters box on small cards around the world. Marina and John Sheppard are doing a disservice to boxer across the world. This is harmful to their careers and potentially holding it back and big paydays. So based on EU law, they are as bad as corrupt promoters. Picking and choosing what commissions they want to acknowledge. “Boxings Official Record Keeper” by their own admission.

[JimStone]

It would be a shame for boxing if legitimate shows, with exclusively above board fights, were excluded from Boxrec, and even more of a shame if the Boxrec operators are doing their best for the integrity of the sport and being hassled for doing so by people who aren't.

[SteveO]

It would be a shame for boxing if legitimate shows, with exclusively above board fights, were excluded from Boxrec, and even more of a shame if the Boxrec operators are doing their best for the integrity of the sport and being hassled for doing so by people who aren't.

Very true.
There is obviously a reason this card (and others) are not being included in the BoxRec database...................We would just like to know what the reason is!

[escobar]

Spoke to the Slovakian commission today.
By Boxrec not recording results from certain commissions, they are putting fighters health at risk.
If a fighter gets knocked out and is suspended for his own safety. By boxrec not recording the result, is putting his or her safety at risk as he can continue to fight.
So if he gets badly hurt in a contest. They are at fault. The commission was not happy about this situation becoming reality in the future.
It’s Boxrec's job to record results. Not police commissions.

[VegetaPhD]

Spoke to the Slovakian commission today.
By Boxrec not recording results from certain commissions, they are putting fighters health at risk.
If a fighter gets knocked out and is suspended for his own safety. By boxrec not recording the result, is putting his or her safety at risk as he can continue to fight.
So if he gets badly hurt in a contest. They are at fault. The commission was not happy about this situation becoming reality in the future.
It’s Boxrec's job to record results. Not police commissions.

Escobar, when speaking with the Slovakian commission did they tell you what Boxrec’s issue with them and or the Hungarian commission is? Both are still listed on the EBU website.

I have noticed that Boxrec are now rejecting all results from Hungary, including a show at the end of April which was put together by Felix Racz – who is arguably the biggest promoter in Hungary and co-promoting Billy Joe Saunders vs Shefat Isufi . Strange situation and as you point out potentially dangerous, particularly as eastern Europeans are often called to the UK to be used as cannon fodder. Nevertheless, once Boxrec’s ‘issue’ with Hungary, Slovakia and whoever else are resolved, I’m sure all results will be backdated and added eventually. It could be a week, a month, a year, a decade, or even several.

Last Hungarian event to be uploaded was from March 16th 2019, a week before this event in question. So what happened after the event on 16th to cause all these problems?

[escobar]

The Slovakian commission did not tell me what the problem was that Boxrec had with them.
Boxrec have issues with Mexican, Georgian, Hungarian and Slovakian results but update USA, Canadian, Australian, UK and rest of the western world that use Mexican or Eastern Europeans to build their fighters. Makes sense!
I’ve spoken to commissions across the world. Boxrec can change results or not upload them but it still stands on the boxing record. Regardless if Boxrec post or not. The commission or governing body is the authority not Box Ltd which is a business.