David Price v Kash Ali - an Explanation

[Thomastearns]

Good analysis of the latest chapter in the David Price saga.

[jamamb]

cant watch atm, what is the 'real reason'

[bmilligan]

Dude gassed and was one punch away from a loss.

Or he was brained so bad he was out of it didnt know what was going on.

He wanted a rematch....

[Thomastearns]

cant watch atm, what is the 'real reason'

According to Hatman, sometimes fighters who boast that they're from 'the streets' prefer disqualification to losing face in front of their worshipping fans.

Their sense of 'street' image can't accept being on the end of a one sided humiliation or even worse, getting stopped. Especially not in front of worshipping fans who may see boxing in mainly macho terms, not appreciating its finer points.

Hatman also gives a few good examples of the kind of behaviour that can result as a consequence of this misplaced sense of identity, as well as a few words on where David Price is at right now in his career.

[Best Coast]

According to Hatman, sometimes fighters who boast that they're from 'the streets' prefer disqualification to losing face in front of their worshipping fans.

Their sense of 'street' image can't accept being on the end of a one sided humiliation or even worse, getting stopped. Especially not in front of worshipping fans who may see boxing in mainly macho terms, not appreciating its finer points.

Hatman also gives a few good examples of the kind of behaviour that can result as a consequence of this misplaced sense of identity, as well as a few words on where David Price is at right now in his career.

Sounds believable given the fact that street thug Mike Tyson similarly took the thug's way out when he was getting his butt kicked by Holyfield. His "homies" would disrespect him if he just quit because he was getting whipped. So he lived up to his image as "the baddest man on the planet" by biting his way out. Reasonable fans see it as a punk's way out but both Tyson & Ali couldnt care less what non-thugs think about them punking out.

So like his fellow street thug Mike Tyson received, Kashuf Ali needs a one-year suspension and a major fine.

Tyson's sentence was originally a permanent suspension and revoking of his boxing license indefinitely. But a little over a year later the NSAC lifted the suspension and renewed his license. (He fought Botha & Orlin Norris in 1999 in Vegas but after other legal incidents & charges across the US his application to renew his Nevada license was rejected in 2002 and he had to fight Lewis & others outside Nevada.)

[Thomastearns]

Sounds believable given the fact that street thug Mike Tyson similarly took the thug's way out when he was getting his butt kicked by Holyfield. His "homies" would disrespect him if he just quit because he was getting whipped. So he lived up to his image as "the baddest man on the planet" by biting his way out. Reasonable fans see it as a punk's way out but both Tyson & Ali couldnt care less what non-thugs think about them punking out.

So like his fellow street thug Mike Tyson received, Kashuf Ali needs a one-year suspension and a major fine.

Tyson's sentence was originally a permanent suspension and revoking of his boxing license indefinitely. But a little over a year later the NSAC lifted the suspension and renewed his license. (He fought Botha & Orlin Norris in 1999 in Vegas but after other legal incidents & charges across the US his application to renew his Nevada license was rejected in 2002 and he had to fight Lewis & others outside Nevada.)

We know that nothing is permanent in boxing, at least not when there's big money to be made for all parties concerned. This includes failed drug tests and 'love bites'.

However, in Kash Ali's case the best course of action might be to grovel a little and offer the deepest of apologies to Price, the public and the sport itself that he can muster when his case hearing comes up on the 13th.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skyspo ... price-bite

[KiwiRider]

Is it worth it for Ali to even continue boxing?
I don't see him capturing any titles other than maybe a regional belt.
Price, by my reconning, is about top #7 in the UK. If you get dominated by Price, and your not a young man, is it worth pursuing a career?
HW especially are at risk of serious injury.

[jamamb]

According to Hatman, sometimes fighters who boast that they're from 'the streets' prefer disqualification to losing face in front of their worshipping fans.

Their sense of 'street' image can't accept being on the end of a one sided humiliation or even worse, getting stopped. Especially not in front of worshipping fans who may see boxing in mainly macho terms, not appreciating its finer points.

Hatman also gives a few good examples of the kind of behaviour that can result as a consequence of this misplaced sense of identity, as well as a few words on where David Price is at right now in his career.

i think its a good point, he had just been badly hurt and looked like he may wanted to go out with the dq rather then being knocked out

[oogiebe]

Is it worth it for Ali to even continue boxing?
I don't see him capturing any titles other than maybe a regional belt.
Price, by my reconning, is about top #7 in the UK. If you get dominated by Price, and your not a young man, is it worth pursuing a career?
HW especially are at risk of serious injury.

It's how he makes his living. At best he'll be a professional local stepping stone; at worst? Banned. (although I can't see that happening).

[KiwiRider]

It's how he makes his living. At best he'll be a professional local stepping stone; at worst? Banned. (although I can't see that happening).

I can't see him getting banned for long. But what sort of living can he make in the short term?
I've heard you can make good money over there driving a mini cab if you put the hours in

[oogiebe]

I can't see him getting banned for long. But what sort of living can he make in the short term?
I've heard you can make good money over there driving a mini cab if you put the hours in

So long as you don't snack on your fares.

[Best Coast]

We know that nothing is permanent in boxing, at least not when there's big money to be made for all parties concerned. This includes failed drug tests and 'love bites'.

However, in Kash Ali's case the best course of action might be to grovel a little and offer the deepest of apologies to Price, the public and the sport itself that he can muster when his case hearing comes up on the 13th.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skyspo ... price-bite

I agree that he needs to grovel in front of the commission and appear to be sincerely remorseful. As a 3rd-tier fighter he lacks a meaningful future with any kind of drawing power like Tyson had so he cannot count on much sympathy from the BB of C like Tyson got from NSAC. He may not even get a year-long suspension but he clearly deserves it and I'm not surprised what your link says about Tony Bellew calling for a lifetime ban. I would have no problem with that since (like Tyson) he needs to be made an example against future thuggishness in the ring.

[Ilya Muromets]

I can't see him getting banned for long. But what sort of living can he make in the short term?
I've heard you can make good money over there driving a mini cab if you put the hours in

Maybe he could get a job as a geek in the circus. Do you know what circus geeks used to do? Geeks bit the heads off live chickens in the circus sideshow.

He doesn't appear to have broken the skin on Price. Had he done so an arrest for felonious assault might be in order.

[oogiebe]

He'll get no sympathy and no promoters will come to his aid. He'll end up collecting for the mob.

[Best Coast]

He'll get no sympathy and no promoters will come to his aid. He'll end up collecting for the mob.

You are probably right oogie!! This clown has the thuggishness of Tyson with far less talent and marketability!!

[Syntax Error]

Sounds believable given the fact that street thug Mike Tyson similarly took the thug's way out when he was getting his butt kicked by Holyfield. His "homies" would disrespect him if he just quit because he was getting whipped. So he lived up to his image as "the baddest man on the planet" by biting his way out. Reasonable fans see it as a punk's way out but both Tyson & Ali couldnt care less what non-thugs think about them punking out.

So like his fellow street thug Mike Tyson received, Kashuf Ali needs a one-year suspension and a major fine.

Tyson's sentence was originally a permanent suspension and revoking of his boxing license indefinitely. But a little over a year later the NSAC lifted the suspension and renewed his license. (He fought Botha & Orlin Norris in 1999 in Vegas but after other legal incidents & charges across the US his application to renew his Nevada license was rejected in 2002 and he had to fight Lewis & others outside Nevada.)

Too true.

The mindset some so-called street thugs have is totally at odds with the image they like to project.

They like to appear like hard men that don't care what is thrown at them because they have supposedly seen it all on the 'streets', yet when met with adversity, they bitch their way out.

Tyson & Kash Ali just epitomise this mentality.

In the case of Tyson, many will rightly argue that he took his beatings at the hands of Douglas & Holyfield 1 like a man, but I'm not necessarily convinced.

Against Douglas, he was clearly ill prepared & arrogant and probably thought all he had to do was get his act together, come again & he would regain his title.

Against Holyfield it was a different matter, as he knew his future as a top-line HW was on the line.

During the first fight, he realised about half way through that he wasn't going to win, so tried to foul out on a couple of occasions, especially in the 7th when he initiated a headbutt, tried to blame Holyfield for it, but ended up coming off worse (karma as they say).

For the 2nd fight, as a student of the game who knows other fighters better than most, he knew in his heart he could not beat Holyfield.

He looked terrified during the staredown & when the fight began & Holyfield started to bully him again, he went loco & fouled out big style.

He should have been banned for life, but he was still a walking cash machine that was still young enough to come again.

Kash Ali should be banned for life too, but as a precedent has already been set, he won't be.

Then again, he isn't a walking cash machine & there won't be promoters setting alerts for when his ban is up in order to queue up & offer him fights, so he might as well seek alternative employment, preferably somewhere where the public is safe from him.

[Best Coast]

Too true.

The mindset some so-called street thugs have is totally at odds with the image they like to project.

They like to appear like hard men that don't care what is thrown at them because they have supposedly seen it all on the 'streets', yet when met with adversity, they bitch their way out.

Tyson & Kash Ali just epitomise this mentality.

In the case of Tyson, many will rightly argue that he took his beatings at the hands of Douglas & Holyfield 1 like a man, but I'm not necessarily convinced.

Against Douglas, he was clearly ill prepared & arrogant and probably thought all he had to do was get his act together, come again & he would regain his title.

Against Holyfield it was a different matter, as he knew his future as a top-line HW was on the line.

During the first fight, he realised about half way through that he wasn't going to win, so tried to foul out on a couple of occasions, especially in the 7th when he initiated a headbutt, tried to blame Holyfield for it, but ended up coming off worse (karma as they say).

For the 2nd fight, as a student of the game who knows other fighters better than most, he knew in his heart he could not beat Holyfield.

He looked terrified during the staredown & when the fight began & Holyfield started to bully him again, he went loco & fouled out big style.

He should have been banned for life, but he was still a walking cash machine that was still young enough to come again.

Kash Ali should be banned for life too, but as a precedent has already been set, he won't be.

Then again, he isn't a walking cash machine & there won't be promoters setting alerts for when his ban is up in order to queue up & offer him fights, so he might as well seek alternative employment, preferably somewhere where the public is safe from him.

You nailed it amigo!!

I couldnt have said it better myself...although I tried several times!!

[Thomastearns]

Too true.

The mindset some so-called street thugs have is totally at odds with the image they like to project.

They like to appear like hard men that don't care what is thrown at them because they have supposedly seen it all on the 'streets', yet when met with adversity, they bitch their way out.

Tyson & Kash Ali just epitomise this mentality.

In the case of Tyson, many will rightly argue that he took his beatings at the hands of Douglas & Holyfield 1 like a man, but I'm not necessarily convinced.

Against Douglas, he was clearly ill prepared & arrogant and probably thought all he had to do was get his act together, come again & he would regain his title.

Against Holyfield it was a different matter, as he knew his future as a top-line HW was on the line.

During the first fight, he realised about half way through that he wasn't going to win, so tried to foul out on a couple of occasions, especially in the 7th when he initiated a headbutt, tried to blame Holyfield for it, but ended up coming off worse (karma as they say).

For the 2nd fight, as a student of the game who knows other fighters better than most, he knew in his heart he could not beat Holyfield.

He looked terrified during the staredown & when the fight began & Holyfield started to bully him again, he went loco & fouled out big style.

He should have been banned for life, but he was still a walking cash machine that was still young enough to come again.

Kash Ali should be banned for life too, but as a precedent has already been set, he won't be.

Then again, he isn't a walking cash machine & there won't be promoters setting alerts for when his ban is up in order to queue up & offer him fights, so he might as well seek alternative employment, preferably somewhere where the public is safe from him.

Kash Ali gets a six-month ban + £10k fine for biting David Price. Lenient but not in comparison to what they give to PED users.

Guess he'll soon be able to have another bite at the cherry later this year.
Sorry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/48011167

[Ilya Muromets]

Kash Ali gets a six-month ban + £10k fine for biting David Price. Lenient but not in comparison to what they give to PED users.

Guess he'll soon be able to have another bite at the cherry later this year.
Sorry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/48011167

This is not right. He committed a violent crime in the ring. I think he should have been arrested and charged with assault. PED use, aside from local laws that might apply, is just a nonviolent infraction of the rules.

[JimStone]

"From the streets"

[Tony1244]

According to Hatman, sometimes fighters who boast that they're from 'the streets' prefer disqualification to losing face in front of their worshipping fans.

Their sense of 'street' image can't accept being on the end of a one sided humiliation or even worse, getting stopped. Especially not in front of worshipping fans who may see boxing in mainly macho terms, not appreciating its finer points.

Hatman also gives a few good examples of the kind of behaviour that can result as a consequence of this misplaced sense of identity, as well as a few words on where David Price is at right now in his career.

So sexual foreplay on a man is the answer to being macho? Sounds odd to me.

[oogiebe]

So sexual foreplay on a man is the answer to being macho? Sounds odd to me.

Being from the streets dictates taking your beating and moving on. That's how it works there. That's to the poster you responded to.

[Tony1244]

Being from the streets dictates taking your beating and moving on. That's how it works there. That's to the poster you responded to.

Agreed. But if you want to get DQd hit after the bell or bodyslam him or something. Not a Love-Bite. This is also to the OP.

[Thomastearns]

Being from the streets dictates taking your beating and moving on. That's how it works there. That's to the poster you responded to.

That's rather romanticized isn't it?

From the streets often means any way you can. Very little honour to be found wherever you have high levels of desperation.

As for Kash Ali, its safe to say, 'He aint no Gentleman Jim'.

[oogiebe]

That's rather romanticized isn't it?

From the streets often means any way you can. Very little honour to be found wherever you have high levels of desperation.

As for Kash Ali, its safe to say, 'He aint no Gentleman Jim'.

Not romanticized. It's how it's looked upon. Tyson took his beating from Lewis and gained a lot of street cred. Even in the street, excuses are bullshvt and for losers.