new WBA HW Rankings

[oogiebe]

Well, I decided to post the new WBA HW Rankings. Looks like a different planet than the WBC, and WBO which I did earlier last month. Anyways, here it goes.

Champ: Anthony Joshua
Gold: Joe Joyce
Regular: Manual Charr

1-Trevor Bryant (Interim Champion)
2-Jarrell Miller
3-Fres Oquendo
4-Dillian Whyte
5-Otto Wallin
6-Oscar Rivas
7-Sergei Kuzmin
8-Filip Hrgovic
9-Alexander Povetkin
10-Kyotoro Fujimoto
11-Andy Ruiz Jr.
12-Michael Hunter
13-Adam Kownacki
14-Bogdan Dinu
15-Ivan Dychko

There is too much damage to discuss here in my opinion. I'll let you guys unload on this.

Best part of the rankings is Michael Hunter at 12.

[joshj909]

Although it is a mess, I understand the mess at the top. What confuses me is Fujimoto. He got added a couple of months ago to the WBA rankings having not fought since September and that was a guy ranked outside the top 600 cruiserweights! This is something you usually see when there is a powerful promotor/manager involved or good connections e.g. PBC/WBC, Warren/WBO etc. but why Fujimoto?

Dychko also hasn't been the most active...

[chinarich]

‘Notsofast’ Fres still clinging on at number three I reckon when he finally does call it a day the WBA will retire third place from their rankings in his honour...

[chinarich]

Although it is a mess, I understand the mess at the top. What confuses me is Fujimoto. He got added a couple of months ago to the WBA rankings having not fought since September and that was a guy ranked outside the top 600 cruiserweights! This is something you usually see when there is a powerful promotor/manager involved or good connections e.g. PBC/WBC, Warren/WBO etc. but why Fujimoto?

Dychko also hasn't been the most active...

The Fujimoto ranking really doesn’t make any sense. He holds a WBO belt which explains his ranking there, but the other belt he holds (OPBF) has a WBC affiliation and so there’s nothing to indicate why the WBA have ranked him...

[Enlightened-One]

Ivan Dychko hasn't fought since the beginning of July last year, but the WBA have decided this month to include him in their top-15 ratings, when he was previously unranked.

Can anyone explain that?

Does anybody actually know what the "GOLD" title is supposed to represent?

It's apparently a secondary title that is superior than being ranked in the WBA's top-15. It also appears to be more significant than the WBA's interim, intercontinental and international belts (based on Joe Joyce not being rated, even though he possesses that championship).

[Ruthless-RKO]

‘Notsofast’ Fres still clinging on at number three I reckon when he finally does call it a day the WBA will retire third place from their rankings in his honour...

I used to just call him 'Fat' Fres

[Ruthless-RKO]

Has anyone seen WBA's MW rankings?

Jeff Horn is Number 2

[Roars Like Me]

I love it that Joyce is Gold and Dillian is 5 places lower

[oogiebe]

I love it that Joyce is Gold and Dillian is 5 places lower

I post these ranking so all of us might get a better appreciation for BoxRec. It's a place I can go and see EVERYONE in one set of rankings. The alphabet orgs have been at this game since I can remember and it was bad enough when it was two orgs; but now?!!

[Enlightened-One]

Up until very recently, BoxRec rated Luis Nery as being sixth on their pound-for-pound ratings.They also previously rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (they ranked him in 9th place).

Isn't Deontay Wilder rated well above the likes of Naoya Inoue, Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, Donnie Nietes and Mikey Garcia in the BoxRec pound-for-pound ratings? Chris Eubank Jr. and Danny Garcia are rated above most of those guys also.

[Fightnight Scores]

I still maintain my stance that the gov bodies are in a way taking punts on specific fighters, not ranked by the other bods, in the hope they go onto star status and they will be proud to have "spotted" them first to rank.

Here's my post on the topic on the WBO's rankings a few weeks ago.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=229240&p=5122115#p5122115

Does anyone else get the feeling that in a sense the ABC bodies kind of have their own scouting system and place hopes on some more unrecognised fighters, rank them highly, knowing that the other alphabets ideally want to rank totally diffrerent fighters?

They take a punt on these guys, for example Ali Eren Demirezen in that list, hoping that by some chance, he suddenly makes a splash in the division, and it was they who ranked him first and will afford him a shot at their world title before the others do?

You see several recognised names dotted around most if not all the 4 main bodies top 10-15, but the rest are really seemingly plucked from thin air. That's the only logical reason I can come up with though.

[oogiebe]

Up until very recently, BoxRec rated Luis Nery as being sixth on their pound-for-pound ratings.They also previously rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (they ranked him in 9th place).

Isn't Deontay Wilder rated well above the likes of Naoya Inoue, Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, Donnie Nietes and Mikey Garcia in the BoxRec pound-for-pound ratings? Chris Eubank Jr. and Danny Garcia are rated above most of those guys also.

I'm talking divisional rankings. I don't pay too much attention to P4P.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm talking divisional rankings. I don't pay too much attention to P4P.

Oh OK, I got you now. Fair enough. But isn't Jeff Horn rated above the likes of Demetrius Andrade, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Rob Brant, Maciej Sulecki at middleweight?

[Roars Like Me]

I post these ranking so all of us might get a better appreciation for BoxRec. It's a place I can go and see EVERYONE in one set of rankings. The alphabet orgs have been at this game since I can remember and it was bad enough when it was two orgs; but now?!!

Indeed - it highlights the good work of Boxrec, in that respect of course. The boxing bodies consistently up their 'game' in terms of ranking and their number of champs. It's just daft but I am not the 1st to say that, by a long way.
It's always about the cash generated,so it's not even aligned with the reality of the best fighter. A 'world' tile fight generates more cash than a non title one. May as well give the top 10 have a version

[oogiebe]

Oh OK, I got you now. Fair enough. But isn't Jeff Horn rated above the likes of Demetrius Andrade, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Rob Brant, Maciej Sulecki at middleweight?

This thread is WBA Heavyweight rankings. We're not talking about middleweights or any other class. Please start another thread rather than change this one. Much thanks.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This thread is WBA Heavyweight rankings. We're not talking about middleweights or any other class. Please start another thread rather than change this one. Much thanks.

I'm the one that mentioned MW.. Apologies.

It's just WBA as a whole..

[Paci]

‘Notsofast’ Fres still clinging on at number three I reckon when he finally does call it a day the WBA will retire third place from their rankings in his honour...

Or keep him their raknings forever and ever untill they fold or something. Finger crossed that they(wba) do.

[Enlightened-One]

This thread is WBA Heavyweight rankings. We're not talking about middleweights or any other class. Please start another thread rather than change this one. Much thanks.

Apologies. I thought we were talking about the WBA's & BoxRec's ratings in general, not specifically in the context of the heavyweights, as per other posts in this thread. So I'll continue regardless...

You say that you post the ratings of the various governing bodies to compel other forum members to “get a better appreciation for BoxRec”, but then you flatly refuse to comment on it’s rankings’ anomalies, such as:

• Up until very recently, BoxRec rated Luis Nery as being sixth on their pound-for-pound ratings.

• BoxRec previously rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (they ranked him in 9th place).

• Isn't Deontay Wilder currently rated well above the likes of Naoya Inoue, Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, Donnie Nietes and Mikey Garcia in the BoxRec pound-for-pound ratings? Chris Eubank Jr. and Danny Garcia are rated above most of those guys also.

• BoxRec currently rates Jeff Horn above the likes of Demetrius Andrade, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Rob Brant, Maciej Sulecki at middleweight, which is something I feel cannot be ignored.

• Billy Joe Saunders is rated 4th according to BoxRec's 168lb rankings, but he's never fought in that weight class before.

• John Ryder is rated as the 8th best 168lb-er by Boxrec, but he was beaten by Rocky Fielding and others, coupled with the fact he hasn't scored a notable victory over any sort of opponent.

I understand you don’t pay much attention to BoxRec’s pound-for-pound rankings, but it’s clear that their divisional rankings are flawed also. I've only just scratched the surface from my analysis of BoxRec's ratings and noticed a surprising amount of anomalies so far.

You can't just cherry-pick a particular weight division and stick to that, when the same BoxRec equations are being used for other weight classes, producing weird results.

The WBA's rankings are deeply flawed, but BoxRec's are far from being considered perfect.

[oogiebe]

Apologies. I thought we were talking about the WBA's & BoxRec's ratings in general, not specifically in the context of the heavyweights, as per other posts in this thread. So I'll continue regardless...

You are truly a nightmare. congratulations. You are the first person I put on "ignore."

[oogiebe]

I'm the one that mentioned MW.. Apologies.

It's just WBA as a whole..

Not your fault. EO has no regard/respect for anyone but himself. I am tired of his long winded and senseless rants. He has nothing positive to add to the forum, and as such, have put him on ignore. I never did that before as I feel that anyone reasonable should have their say, but there is obviously something "damaged" in this idiot's head.

[Lennox]

Ratings will always be a mess until these are adopted www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200

They are totally independent and fair. If you want to ascend the ratings you just have to fight someone in them. You need the top 100 so as not to be corrupt and just fill the 15th spot.

[Enlightened-One]

Not your fault. EO has no regard/respect for anyone but himself. I am tired of his long winded and senseless rants. He has nothing positive to add to the forum, and as such, have put him on ignore. I never did that before as I feel that anyone reasonable should have their say, but there is obviously something "damaged" in this idiot's head.

You say I’ve got nothing positive to say, but isn’t it better to possess all the facts and then formulate an opinion based on real-world knowledge, rather than becoming grossly insulted about someone pointing out legitimate flaws in your prematurely formulated and ill-conceived theories?

You’re obviously a cheerleader for the BoxRec rankings system, which is clearly your prerogative. But the second someone highlights blatantly obvious flaws in its ratings equations, you ignore them and become personally insulted about things you can’t explain!

It's not my fault that “Facts don’t care about your feelings” and I didn’t mean to offend you, but I can’t apologise for providing legitimate examples BoxRec's ratings flaws. It's not as if I've made them up or framed my thoughts in a particularly facetious and aggressive manner. I’ve just listed the ratings as-is.

[oogiebe]

Ratings will always be a mess until these are adopted www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200

They are totally independent and fair. If you want to ascend the ratings you just have to fight someone in them. You need the top 100 so as not to be corrupt and just fill the 15th spot.

I'm not saying BoxRec is perfect. Of course it isn't, but it provides a system not affected by sanctioning fees and bribery. I agree it sometimes seems the alphabet orgs flip a coin for the last spot or two! So much of it is senseless. I'll check out the link you provided. Thanks!!

[Tony1244]

WBA has always had the worst rankings.
WBC rankings ate relatively reasonable- sometimes.

[oogiebe]

WBA has always had the worst rankings.
WBC rankings ate relatively reasonable- sometimes.

WBA wasn't always this bad. Seems the more sanctioning bodies, the worse everyone's rankings get. Without inclusion of each others champs and belt holders, it's just sad. How they think their ratings are acceptable to the fanbase is an insult to our collective intelligence.