Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

[oogiebe]

Waiting 2 years after he beat Ugonoh? Why would Ugonoh even be qualifying criteria to queue-up for a title shot? How is that better to or even on-par with Whyte's wins over Chisora, Parker, and Helenius? Whyte literally has 4, maybe 5 different scalps that are better than Breazeale's best win; and Breazeale has never beaten anyone good enough to justify a title shot.

100% agree. Oh the politics of the sweet science!!

[candyslim]

You are completely wrong in assuming the WBC does whatever Haymon wants.

cs: No offence Marv but if I read that and had to guess who wrote it, I wouldn't need three guesses One could almost say that the title held by Wilder is The PBC Heavyweight title.

The Breazeale mandatory came about after Povetkin had been set to fight Stiverne for a mandatory spot.

cs: Stiverne was made mandatory after both he and Povetkin failed a drug test. Povetkin was sanctioned by the WBC yet Stiverne was not only not punished for his failure, but actually got rewarded by being made mandatory without having to fight anyone. In between the two losses to Wilder, Stiverne only had one fight climbing off the floor to get a decision over the journeyman Derric Rossy. I don't know whether he deserved the decision because there is no footage on you-tube. Either way it's a ferkin outrage that he was made mandatory no doubt as a result of 'Mafia' Don applying pressure to the testicle owned by Maurizio yet firmly held by him.

Haymon and Don King rarely conduct any business together and have a strained relationship at best. World of boxing had ongoing litigation at the time against Haymon.

cs: No argument there.

After Stiverne was moved up to the mandatory position Molina another Don King fighter was slotted into a fight to determine a mandatory position. This occurred essentially due to Don King and his law suit against the WBC.

cs: I'm not party to the details but I thought the lawsuit was against Rybabinskiy (World of Boxing) rather than the WBC. Molina was/is a truly appalling title challenger whose only top twentyish win was over Adamek. He had no business contesting an eliminator. Again we see the WBC yielding to external pressure.

This occurred prior to Whyte being moved up to number one in the rankings.

cs: Breazeale was not nominated as mandatory before Dillian became number one, in fact his fight with Molina was originally an eliminator not a final eliminator, and Hearn was given assurances about this by Sulaiman which he later reneged on. That may well have been due to having his testicle metaphorically twisted by that degenerate scumbag.

Breazeale had been waiting over 2 years for his title shot.

cs: Say what ??? Yeah he's now been waiting two years ( probably until the timing suited Haymon) but what had Breazeale done to earn a title shot? Don't get me wrong I like Breazeale and I've fought his corner on here many times but ... A decidedly lucky injury win over Amir Mansour, a decision win over journeyman Big Fred Kassi and apart from that his best pre-Joshua fight win was Yasmany Consuegra. Since losing to AJ his only win prior to the final eliminator was against Izu Ugonoh whose best wins were Julius Long, Ricardo Ramirez and Gregory Tony. Yeah exactly !

It is incredibly unfair to him be passed over in favor of Whyte

cs: With respect that is utter bollocks. Whyte was number one when Breazeale fought for the mandatory position. That's what all the fuss is about.

who never at anytime fought an eliminator for a WBC shot

cs: You can only fight an eliminator if you get nominated, and if that doesn't suit the custodians of Maurizio's metaphorical testis then it aint gonna happen.

in fact he walked away from a fight with Ortiz mandatory fight

cs: That was the second mandatory not the first and considering the interval between mandatory WBC Hwt defences, he'd be looking at getting his shot sometime in 2022. What had Ortiz done to deserve another title eliminator having just been KO'd by Wilder? Nothing - he was put there as a viable obstacle between Whyte and Wilder. Who would want to do that, Marionette Sulaiman or the man holding his other testicle?

cs: Whyte wasn't scared of Ortiz if that's what you're implying. He elected to fight a much younger man who had recently contested a unification with Joshua because it made much more sense financially (UK PPV).

prior and then walked away from an AJ title shot.

cs: He's got every right to decide which champion he wants to face next. I would have thought you would understand that as well as anybody on here. See my numbered post for my take on his reasons.

My comments above preceded cs:

[candyslim]

I believe Eddie did Miller instead of whyte because he's feeling the heat on the low subscription rate for dazn. Americans don't care about boxing here at night, but they really don't care about two Brits fighting during the day. As far as I know wilder has provisions to fight on any network or streaming service. Business wise dazn is the last place I'd sign right now. They're losing money at an historical level.

That's a very good point which I hadn't thought of. It could certainly be a contributing factor, maybe the biggest.

[Onetimeonly]

That's a very good point which I hadn't thought of. It could certainly be a contributing factor, maybe the biggest.

I don't think Joshua has to fight on dazn. I guess the most lucrative spot for wilder is an earlier slot than usual in Vegas on ppv both places. Though there are a lot of logistics.

[candyslim]

Maybe but if I was American with a choice of platforms, I'd certainly snap up a month's DAZN subscription for $20. Actualily I'd take the full subscription at $10 per month. I agree it looks nuts as a business model but if it goes bust, i'd be sad but I'd have made the most of it while it was available. Not an option in the UK unfortunately, not without jumping through a few hoops anyway.

[Onetimeonly]

Oh, I love it. Just not possible for it to profit. I pay 10 a month.

[candyslim]

Sensible man

[Cojimar 1946]

I want to see Anthony Joshua fight Daniel Dubois and Efe Ajagba. I think they may both turn out to be bigger challenges than Wilder.

[Nightmare Roy]

I want to see Anthony Joshua fight Daniel Dubois and Efe Ajagba. I think they may both turn out to be bigger challenges than Wilder.

Be a few years yet

[SenorPipino]

I want to see Anthony Joshua fight Daniel Dubois and Efe Ajagba. I think they may both turn out to be bigger challenges than Wilder.

Kind of rushing them, don't you think?

Their competition has been pretty soft, as should be expected with pros with limited experience.

I don't believe that either has done enough to warrant throwing them into a title fight.

[oogiebe]

Kind of rushing them, don't you think?

Their competition has been pretty soft, as should be expected with pros with limited experience.

I don't believe that either has done enough to warrant throwing them into a title fight.

Yeah, it'll be a year or two years probably unless one or both rockets up in skillset.

[Contendeh]

I would like to see a Dubois v Ajagba fight!

It’s too bad that, these days, a lost 0 has such a damaging effect on a fighters earnings potential.

[SenorPipino]

I would like to see a Dubois v Ajagba fight!

It’s too bad that, these days, a lost 0 has such a damaging effect on a fighters earnings potential.

Blame it on the fans.

Back in the long ago, a defeat was pretty much met with a shrug. It was considered inevitable and a valuable part of the learning process.

Now when a fighter loses, he's ridiculed and dismissed as an "overhyped bum" who never beat anyone significant anyways.

[jamamb]

Blame it on the fans.

Back in the long ago, a defeat was pretty much met with a shrug. It was considered inevitable and a valuable part of the learning process.

Now when a fighter loses, he's ridiculed and dismissed as an "overhyped bum" who never beat anyone significant anyways.

ya like kov the bum

[SenorPipino]

ya like kov the bum

Because boxers appear in so relatively few bouts in their career these days, I suppose several losses are glaring.

If you're only going to fight twice a year, you better make the best of it and not slip up.

When boxers routinely fought 100+ bouts in their careers, a defeat here and there didn't seem unforgivable.

[candyslim]

Blame it on the fans.

Back in the long ago, a defeat was pretty much met with a shrug. It was considered inevitable and a valuable part of the learning process.

Now when a fighter loses, he's ridiculed and dismissed as an "overhyped bum" who never beat anyone significant anyways.

Very true Pip. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation though as to which came first, the fighters' timidity with regard to protecting their '0' at all costs, or the fans dismissive attitude toward those whose cherry has been popped.

I've heard people blaiming Floyd Mayweather II for this coming about, and yesterday I watched You-tuber Bruce Vane scoffing at this theory and asking why Marciano who retired undefeated on 49 and 0 didn't produce that effect back in the fifties?

I don't know where I stand on the Mayweather theory, but I don't agree with Vane's argument. Times were different back then and boxing was a far stronger sport but less financially rewarding. Besides, it's like a music record - someone releases a song and it sinks without trace. Someone else (or even the same artist) releases the same song and it's a massive hit. It doesn't mean the sunken version was inferior, sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles as they say.

[SenorPipino]

Maybe it's a product of the social media era.

Criticism is magnified. It's a 24/7 response. Everyone now has an outlet for their dissatisfaction, justified or not.

The fighters hear it. The promoters hear it. And the networks hear it.

There's a knee jerk reaction to protect the fighter and keep him from appearing weak.

So he's matched carefully. One bad loss will destroy a career.

And it's probably also true that boxing's lack of popularity is also a factor.

Losing is often equated with weakness. And since boxing is a niche sport, followed closely by relatively few, there's a conscious effort on the part of promoters to present today's fighters as all-conquering warriors.

Guys who are near unbeatable.

Only fighters who are sold to the public in that manner will whet the casual fans appetite for boxing.

They have no interest in watching the ordinary.

[Perseus]

On the topic of Wilder vs Breazeale: I really like this match up.

How often do we see two boxers about to face each other talking about how they're going to KO the other guy and we all know that neither fighter has any intention of actually going for a KO at any point?
That's not the case in this fight. BOTH fighters will step in the ring looking for a KO and will try to get that KO at first opportunity.

Breazeale while obviously very limited is usually matched well and delivers some entertaining fights. Nobody is going to confuse him for a world beater but he's entertaining.
I doubt he beats Wilder but this fight should be entertaining for however long it lasts and I won't be surprised if Breazeale wins some rounds. Dominic will bring at least a 30 lb weight advantage into the ring and is heavy handed himself.
Plus Wilder is.................................................Wilder......the guy who can record early round, brutal KO's and look bad at the same time.
Wilder often looks like an undisciplined, amateur regardless of opponent. Nobody should be giving a Wilder opponent credit for "making him look bad", that's going to happen no matter who the opponent happens to be.
Scoring rounds to the Wilder opponent for making him look like a wild amateur is the functional equivalent of giving rounds to a Canelo opponent for making him look like a redhead.

With Wilder and Breazeale in the ring together I expect a sloppy, fun fight with a sudden, brutal finish.

[Rob3_142]

I'm referring to Whyte vs AJ. If Whyte is such a big draw, then why go with AJ vs Miller.

Not sure how I missed this, or if anyone else has addressed the comments, but my response as follows;

AJ vs. Miller is an intention to hit the US market (no massive secret), and with Wilder playing hardball, and the number of viable options at Wembley dwindling, I guess they struck whilst the iron was hot.

They COULD have gone for a Whyte re-match, but all things considered, it was either hit the US market or fight Whyte in a relatively under anticipated re-match. I suspect that out of the two, it made sense to go US. The option of the Whyte re-match will always be there, and if the underdog was to capture the WBC belt, it'd make the re-match a much more relevant and lucrative match up.

[oogiebe]

Not sure how I missed this, or if anyone else has addressed the comments, but my response as follows;

AJ vs. Miller is an intention to hit the US market (no massive secret), and with Wilder playing hardball, and the number of viable options at Wembley dwindling, I guess they struck whilst the iron was hot.

They COULD have gone for a Whyte re-match, but all things considered, it was either hit the US market or fight Whyte in a relatively under anticipated re-match. I suspect that out of the two, it made sense to go US. The option of the Whyte re-match will always be there, and if the underdog was to capture the WBC belt, it'd make the re-match a much more relevant and lucrative match up.

I'll buy that reasoning.

[NoScoutingReports]

[Ruthless-RKO]

Are tickets still available?

They sure are! You can get them right here for as little as $67 (£51).

[Rob3_142]

Are tickets still available?

They sure are! You can get them right here for as little as $67 (£51).

Oh my goodness, there's absolutely loads still available all over the arena!

[SenorPipino]

It looks like you can sit in the ring for $2507.

You might even get a discount if you agree to ref.

[Onetimeonly]

Oh my goodness, there's absolutely loads still available all over the arena!

Not surprising, wilder isn't a big name and it's a shitty fight. The only reason to watch is wilders perpetual combo of violence and vulnerability.