Yet more bad news for Joke Calzaghe!!!!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 21 May 2006, 13:06

Paul Powler wrote:Yusef Mack was in the frame if he had won Friday... ESPN talked about him fighting Calzaghe if he won... then he get KTFO!

Source?

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 21 May 2006, 13:25

It'll probably end up being someone like Joppy or Echols.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 22 May 2006, 17:43

Boxingmad wrote:They should cancel the Froch-Magee bout and have Carl put his money where his mouth is. He thinks he can beat Joe, he's fighting fit (i.e ready for a title fight) so why not do it. That would be a mouth-watering clash.

Calzaghe and Froch would pull a good crowd and lot would pay good money to see Froch get a hiding, I would.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2006, 17:46

The nerve of Froch calling Lacy the man before he was exposed.

Froch's low guard will get him Ko'ed eventually.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 22 May 2006, 18:39

Max Molyneux wrote:The nerve of Froch calling Lacy the man before he was exposed.

Froch's low guard will get him Ko'ed eventually.

By sheer power.

Paul Powler · Post by **Paul Powler** » 22 May 2006, 18:52

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Paul Powler wrote:
Yusef Mack was in the frame if he had won Friday... ESPN talked about him fighting Calzaghe if he won... then he get KTFO!

Source?

read it right here....
http://www.secondsout.com/UK/news.cfm?ccs=228&cs=19478

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 May 2006, 05:10

wildwaylon wrote:
Boxingmad wrote:They should cancel the Froch-Magee bout and have Carl put his money where his mouth is. He thinks he can beat Joe, he's fighting fit (i.e ready for a title fight) so why not do it. That would be a mouth-watering clash.
Calzaghe and Froch would pull a good crowd and lot would pay good money to see Froch get a hiding, I would.

This is turning into a nightmare, christ, he's going to end up shadowboxing for 12 rounds at this rate.

What about that Urango bloke, or was he beaten recently?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 23 May 2006, 05:28

i have to say, my tolerance level is just about through. with all this buggeiring about, the autumn/winter opponent better be fu_cking good. i'm starting to think, we have to sit through this disappointment for what, so we can se Calzaghe-Beyer later in the year? is it worth it?

hopefully Miranda comes over. wouldn't be too bad.

maybe they want to fight Andrade later in the year. perhpas they're taking an easy one paving the way for a harder one. i don't blame enzo for turning down andrade at 7 weeks notice. as i said before, they're not going to jump in headfirst into a poss compromising situation. however, this is too fuking slow and it's getting a bit ridicuous. perhaps after seeing the lacy fight no one wants to come over here anymore

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 05:30

I'm not convinced the Beyer fight will happen, Warren has never been quick to pay out big purses to Calzaghe opponents. How many potential Calzaghe fights have fallen through over FW making ridiculous offers/demands over the years? The mind boggles.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 23 May 2006, 05:36

Terence wrote:Miranda, a blown-up middleweight who beat a guy who had lost two consecutive fights. I see your logic Maussa but the match would stink. Wonder if Joe might pick up an injury in training?

it's better than ashira anyhow. damn shame that markussen and stiglitz don't want to challenge even though they're mandatories. markussen is respectable

anyhow, what i mean is they seem to have to make a fairly shit match to get to the subsequent good one

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 05:42

What about the guy who beat Mack for the IBF #2 slot? Alejandro Berrio.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=022445

Could happen if they were considering Mack I guess. Just seen he was KO'd in 6 by Porras who Froch beat. Not a great opponent but could be in the frame.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 23 May 2006, 07:03

nickd wrote:I'm not convinced the Beyer fight will happen, Warren has never been quick to pay out big purses to Calzaghe opponents. How many potential Calzaghe fights have fallen through over FW making ridiculous offers/demands over the years? The mind boggles.

Howcome he doesn't pay them that much though? He paid Tszyu what he was worth so maybe it's that.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 07:05

Max Molyneux wrote:
nickd wrote:I'm not convinced the Beyer fight will happen, Warren has never been quick to pay out big purses to Calzaghe opponents. How many potential Calzaghe fights have fallen through over FW making ridiculous offers/demands over the years? The mind boggles.
Howcome he doesn't pay them that much though? He paid Tszyu what he was worth so maybe it's that.

But he had to pay Tszyu that money to get the IBF title fight over here and stop it going to purse bids. The difference is Calzaghe is already a champion. I mean he offered Mundine £50k with a 3 fight option to fight Calzaghe a year or two back. He was never going to take that.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 23 May 2006, 07:08

Yeah but Mundine's not worth much outside of Australia and Mundines too cocky to leave Australia too.

Beyer has the WBC title though, surely Warren can pay enough to get him here.

How much was Lacy paid though since it was a co promotion? If he fought Beyer that would obviously be a co promotion too with Sauerland so both could get some good money there.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 07:09

Max Molyneux wrote:Yeah but Mundine's not worth much outside of Australia and Mundines too cocky to leave Australia too.

Beyer has the WBC title though, surely Warren can pay enough to get him here.

How much was Lacy paid though since it was a co promotion? If he fought Beyer that would obviously be a co promotion too with Sauerland so both could get some good money there.

I'm not all that convinced Beyer will take it either, and why would Sauerland put Beyer in with Calzaghe? Nobody will give Beyer a chance its like giving him the belt!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 23 May 2006, 07:11

Maybe if Beyer's close to retiring they might want to give him a finale fight with a decent pay maybe? Hope Bubi is right.

Easy night for Joe but it would be a good win.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 07:17

Max Molyneux wrote:Maybe if Beyer's close to retiring they might want to give him a finale fight with a decent pay maybe? Hope Bubi is right.

Easy night for Joe but it would be a good win.

Fingers crossed I'd like to see it, I wouldn't hold your breath though its a long way from being made.

Lets hope they sort out this latest mess first and get an opponent ASAP.

Paul Powler · Post by **Paul Powler** » 23 May 2006, 09:58

Time really is going fast now.... this is a farce...

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 23 May 2006, 11:11

Max Molyneux wrote:Yeah but Mundine's not worth much outside of Australia and Mundines too cocky to leave Australia too.

Beyer has the WBC title though, surely Warren can pay enough to get him here.

How much was Lacy paid though since it was a co promotion? If he fought Beyer that would obviously be a co promotion too with Sauerland so both could get some good money there.

Look at the Veit bout, the Germans are able (or willing) to put more money on the table than Warren. I wonder why that is, don't really have a good answer. In socccer for example English TV money is better than German money, why is it the other way round in boxing.

As for opponents, let's be frank about what can be considered a serious fight for Calzaghe and what can't. As people want to put him into their pfp-lists, the demands are higher than for a simple betholder.

At 168 the only credible opponents are Kessler, Beyer, and Mundine (with Kessler leading the pack). Every other fight could only be sold as a tune-up leading to something bigger. If Calzaghe intends to step up to 175, any beltholder there would be fine (maybe except old, inactive Tiozzo), as would bouts with Tarver, Jones, and Briggs.

But with so little preparation time they won't get any of these opponents, and I doubt the want them at this stage. Given that he has just unified belts, I'd be prepared to grant Calzaghe one tune-up bout against whatever tomato-can as long as they don't try to sell it as the fight the world's been waiting for. But in fall Calzaghe will need to step up if he doesn't want to lose his newly-gained credibility right away.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 23 May 2006, 11:14

nickd wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Yeah but Mundine's not worth much outside of Australia and Mundines too cocky to leave Australia too.

Beyer has the WBC title though, surely Warren can pay enough to get him here.

How much was Lacy paid though since it was a co promotion? If he fought Beyer that would obviously be a co promotion too with Sauerland so both could get some good money there.
I'm not all that convinced Beyer will take it either, and why would Sauerland put Beyer in with Calzaghe? Nobody will give Beyer a chance its like giving him the belt!

I'd give Beyer an outsider's chance (like 1:3) if he'd bring his A-game. He has in principle the boxing tools to be competitive with Calzaghe - the question is whether he can withstand Calzaghe's relentless pressure for 12 rounds.

barry · Post by **barry** » 23 May 2006, 11:19

Too bad Calzaghe wants nothing to do with Kessler!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 May 2006, 11:34

According to whom? Team Palle? I don't think Kessler is that keen on facing Calzaghe or he wouldn't be asking for £1.5 million a figure he must know he ain't going to get. It's the oldest trick in the book, call someone out, then demand more money than you know is on the table.

A fight with Kessler wouldn't be as big a sell as his fight with Lacy, who was already pretty big box office in America. It's also far easier to sell a fight against a Yank than a Dane, who in reality nobody has heard of.

Before the Lacy fight, I was calling for Calzaghe to fight Kessler, but now he's got the belt from Lacy, it's less important. It would be a good fight for boxing afficianados, but for the wider masses, a fight of lesser magnitude than the Lacy win.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2006, 11:56

pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Yeah but Mundine's not worth much outside of Australia and Mundines too cocky to leave Australia too.

Beyer has the WBC title though, surely Warren can pay enough to get him here.

How much was Lacy paid though since it was a co promotion? If he fought Beyer that would obviously be a co promotion too with Sauerland so both could get some good money there.
Look at the Veit bout, the Germans are able (or willing) to put more money on the table than Warren. I wonder why that is, don't really have a good answer. In socccer for example English TV money is better than German money, why is it the other way round in boxing.

As for opponents, let's be frank about what can be considered a serious fight for Calzaghe and what can't. As people want to put him into their pfp-lists, the demands are higher than for a simple betholder.

At 168 the only credible opponents are Kessler, Beyer, and Mundine (with Kessler leading the pack). Every other fight could only be sold as a tune-up leading to something bigger. If Calzaghe intends to step up to 175, any beltholder there would be fine (maybe except old, inactive Tiozzo), as would bouts with Tarver, Jones, and Briggs.

But with so little preparation time they won't get any of these opponents, and I doubt the want them at this stage. Given that he has just unified belts, I'd be prepared to grant Calzaghe one tune-up bout against whatever tomato-can as long as they don't try to sell it as the fight the world's been waiting for. But in fall Calzaghe will need to step up if he doesn't want to lose his newly-gained credibility right away.

I think Warren just likes to keep a bigger slice for himself.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 23 May 2006, 12:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote:According to whom? Team Palle? I don't think Kessler is that keen on facing Calzaghe or he wouldn't be asking for £1.5 million a figure he must know he ain't going to get. It's the oldest trick in the book, call someone out, then demand more money than you know is on the table.

A fight with Kessler wouldn't be as big a sell as his fight with Lacy, who was already pretty big box office in America. It's also far easier to sell a fight against a Yank than a Dane, who in reality nobody has heard of.

Before the Lacy fight, I was calling for Calzaghe to fight Kessler, but now he's got the belt from Lacy, it's less important. It would be a good fight for boxing afficianados, but for the wider masses, a fight of lesser magnitude than the Lacy win.

that's generally the way i feel about the fight.

it's a big deal for a couple of euro's posters on here.

but i'd rather see calzaghe-glen johnson.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 23 May 2006, 12:53

or even calzaghe-froch.