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[Onetimeonly]

There was only one casino offering bets. Id be pretty surprised if anyone was betting 100k to make $2380. Maybe a huge bet or two, but mainly souvenir Tyson bets and small long ball plays. It wouldn't have been a big handle.

[scartissue]

Here is a fight I had trouble finding for some time. The welterweight title fight between Carlos Palomino and Dave 'Boy' Green. Everytime I tried to see it there was a round missing here or there or it was highlights. Found it in its entirety on youtube. To begin, I don't believe this was scored under the 10 point must system. I think referee James Brimmell was the sole arbiter under British rules. But since I'm unsure, I will score it 10 point must.

Round 1: 10-9 Green
Round 2: 10-9 Green
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Green
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Green
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Green
Round 11: Palomino scores a KO

Total through 10 completed rounds: 99-95 Green

If you like tough fights to score (which I do) this is a good one. I actually had 4 even rounds. Green slathers Palomino in thumping shots from beginning to end and although Palomino's workrate isn't up to Green's, he does nail Dave throughout with the sharper shots. Excellent fight.

[scartissue]

This is a fight that could likely test your patience, what you look for, and your confidence when you actually hear the scores. Anyways, here is how I had it. Hector Camacho v Boom Boom Mancini.

Round 1: 10-9 Camacho
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Camacho
Round 8: 10-9 Mancini
Round 9:10-9 Mancini
Round 10: 10-9 Mancini
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Camacho

Total: 117-113 Mancini

After the 8th round I heard Sean O'Grady say, "Great round for Camacho." I said, WTF is he watching? All I saw was a brief flurry at the end of the round by Camacho which looked good but I'm not going to forget about the 3/4 of the round that Ray chased, punched and hit Hector while Hec was clinching. When Hector could keep Ray in the ring center, he was golden, but Ray was all over him and it was just brief flurries from Hector. The first time I saw it I felt Ray won without scoring it. Now that I take pen in hand, I think Ray was robbed. BTW, official scores were 116-112 for Mancini and two scores of 115-113 for Hector.

[Ambling Alp II]

No idea what O'Grady was watching either.

There was a terrible fight to watch. Camacho did next to nothing offensively; he just ran almost the entire fight. Mancini tried, but most of the time missed badly. Still at least he was trying to make the fight.

At least occasionally Mancini would land something. Camacho wasn't landing because he wasn't throwing.
I think some people penalize a fighter for missing. Never understood that. If one guy lands 1 out of 10 and the other guy doesn't throw any, the guy landing one should get the round.

I don't remember my exact score, but I had Mancini winning by an even bigger margin that you did.

[tiny_acres]

No idea what O'Grady was watching either.

There was a terrible fight to watch. Camacho did next to nothing offensively; he just ran almost the entire fight. Mancini tried, but most of the time missed badly. Still at least he was trying to make the fight.

At least occasionally Mancini would land something. Camacho wasn't landing because he wasn't throwing.
I think some people penalize a fighter for missing. Never understood that. If one guy lands 1 out of 10 and the other guy doesn't throw any, the guy landing one should get the round.

I don't remember my exact score, but I had Mancini winning by an even bigger margin that you did.

I need to watch this again. I can't remember any of this fight

[Onetimeonly]

I need to watch this again. I can't remember any of this fight

Nothing to remember. Duran/Camacho 1 was a good fight. Bad decision

[DrDuke]

Sultan Ibragimov vs Ray Austin

1: Ibragimov 10-9
2: Ibragimov 10-9
3: Ibragimov 10-9
4: Ibragimov 10-8
5: Austin 10-9
6: Ibragimov 10-9
7: Austin 10-9
8: Austin 10-9
9: Ibragimov 10-9
10: Austin 10-8
11: Austin 10-9
12: Ibragimov 10-9

Total: Ibragimov 114-112

[DrDuke]

Lance Whitaker vs Ray Austin

1: Whitaker 10-9
2: Whitaker 10-9
3: Austin 10-9
4: Austin 10-9
5: Austin 10-9
6: Austin 10-9
7: Austin 10-9
8: Austin 10-9
9: Whitaker 10-9
10: Austin 10-9

Total: Austin 97-93

[Seamus]

Ricky Hatton vs Kosta Tszyu (I actually never scored this fight)

R1.10-9 RH
R2.10-9 RH
R3.10-9 KT
R4.10-9 KT
R5.10-9 RH
R6.10-9 RH
R7.10-9 KT
R8.10-9 RH
R9.10-9 RH
R10.10-9 RH
R11.10-9 RH

107-102 for Ricky Hatton at the time of Kosta Tszyu's retirement

[Seamus]

Samuel Peter vs James Toney I

R1.10-9 SP
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-9 SP
R4.10-9 JT
R5.10-9 SP
R6.10-9 JT
R7. 10-10 Even
R8.10-9 JT
R9.10-8 JT (1 pt taken from Peter for rabbit punching)
R10.10-9 SP
R11. 10-9 JT
R12.10-9 JT

116-112 for James Toney

Surprisingly good fight from two overweight guys. Peter boxed surprisingly well at times but didn't follow up effectively when he landed.

[Seamus]

Samuel Peter vs James Toney II

R1.10-9 SP
R2.10-9 SP (Toney down from a jab)
R3.10-9 JT
R4.10-9 JT
R5.10-9 SP
R6.10-9 SP
R7.10-9 SP
R8.10-9 SP
R9.10-10 Even
R10.10-9 SP
R11.10-9 SP
R12.10-9 SP

118-110 for Samuel Peter

All Peter has to do to beat Toney is be as busy with his hands. Unlike the first bout this time he was.

[scartissue]

I've always wanted to see the title bout between Ronnie Shields and Tsuyoshi Hamada. I recall when this took place and saying, 'OK, Shields will win the title this time.' It was one of those sure things that blew me away when I heard the results. Anyways, I found it on youtube and here is how I scored it.

Round 1: 10-9 Shields
Round 2: 10-9 Shields
Round 3: 10-9 Hamada
Round 4: 10-8 Shields (point deducted from Hamada for low blows)
Round 5: 10-9 Hamada
Round 6: 10-9 Shields
Round 7: 10-9 Shields
Round 8: 10-9 Shields
Round 9: 10-8 Hamada (point deducted from Shields for pulling the head down)
Round 10: 10-9 Hamada
Round 11: 10-9 Shields
Round 12: 10-9 Shields

Total: 117-113 Shields

Actual scores were 116-111 and 111-108 both for Hamada and 115-113 for Shields.

Shields was a hard-luck fighter who often would slip into a lull and needed a fire under his stool to get going. But in this fight I think he was hard done by. He boxed well enough and kept a lead right going that the awkward Japanese couldn't avoid. And when he wanted to he matched him strength for strength. Hamada made very awkward lunges that he found some success and made life difficult for Shields at several points. But the crowd, who cheered everything Hamada threw, even when it didn't land won the fight for him. That and the two Asian judges. Difficult to know for sure how the verdict was received. The crowd cheered, but then started tossing in seat cushions into the ring. Something like that would be accompanied by boos so I don't know if that is a different custom there. Anyways, I feel Ronnie Shields was robbed. Would love to hear others POV on this fight.

[dagosd2000]

I've always wanted to see the title bout between Ronnie Shields and Tsuyoshi Hamada. I recall when this took place and saying, 'OK, Shields will win the title this time.' It was one of those sure things that blew me away when I heard the results. Anyways, I found it on youtube and here is how I scored it.

Round 1: 10-9 Shields
Round 2: 10-9 Shields
Round 3: 10-9 Hamada
Round 4: 10-8 Shields (point deducted from Hamada for low blows)
Round 5: 10-9 Hamada
Round 6: 10-9 Shields
Round 7: 10-9 Shields
Round 8: 10-9 Shields
Round 9: 10-8 Hamada (point deducted from Shields for pulling the head down)
Round 10: 10-9 Hamada
Round 11: 10-9 Shields
Round 12: 10-9 Shields

Total: 117-113 Shields

Actual scores were 116-111 and 111-108 both for Hamada and 115-113 for Shields.

Shields was a hard-luck fighter who often would slip into a lull and needed a fire under his stool to get going. But in this fight I think he was hard done by. He boxed well enough and kept a lead right going that the awkward Japanese couldn't avoid. And when he wanted to he matched him strength for strength. Hamada made very awkward lunges that he found some success and made life difficult for Shields at several points. But the crowd, who cheered everything Hamada threw, even when it didn't land won the fight for him. That and the two Asian judges. Difficult to know for sure how the verdict was received. The crowd cheered, but then started tossing in seat cushions into the ring. Something like that would be accompanied by boos so I don't know if that is a different custom there. Anyways, I feel Ronnie Shields was robbed. Would love to hear others POV on this fight.

Dan
Your assessment was right on about this fight and Ronnie Shields. I'm glad he became a trainer after it was all said and done. I think he was more motivated working with other fighters than he what he put forth in the ring.

[scartissue]

I've always wanted to see the title bout between Ronnie Shields and Tsuyoshi Hamada. I recall when this took place and saying, 'OK, Shields will win the title this time.' It was one of those sure things that blew me away when I heard the results. Anyways, I found it on youtube and here is how I scored it.

Round 1: 10-9 Shields
Round 2: 10-9 Shields
Round 3: 10-9 Hamada
Round 4: 10-8 Shields (point deducted from Hamada for low blows)
Round 5: 10-9 Hamada
Round 6: 10-9 Shields
Round 7: 10-9 Shields
Round 8: 10-9 Shields
Round 9: 10-8 Hamada (point deducted from Shields for pulling the head down)
Round 10: 10-9 Hamada
Round 11: 10-9 Shields
Round 12: 10-9 Shields

Total: 117-113 Shields

Actual scores were 116-111 and 111-108 both for Hamada and 115-113 for Shields.

Shields was a hard-luck fighter who often would slip into a lull and needed a fire under his stool to get going. But in this fight I think he was hard done by. He boxed well enough and kept a lead right going that the awkward Japanese couldn't avoid. And when he wanted to he matched him strength for strength. Hamada made very awkward lunges that he found some success and made life difficult for Shields at several points. But the crowd, who cheered everything Hamada threw, even when it didn't land won the fight for him. That and the two Asian judges. Difficult to know for sure how the verdict was received. The crowd cheered, but then started tossing in seat cushions into the ring. Something like that would be accompanied by boos so I don't know if that is a different custom there. Anyways, I feel Ronnie Shields was robbed. Would love to hear others POV on this fight.

Dan
Your assessment was right on about this fight and Ronnie Shields. I'm glad he became a trainer after it was all said and done. I think he was more motivated working with other fighters than he what he put forth in the ring.

Rog, when he arrived on the scene I had such high hopes for him but I eventually sat there watching him fight and making all these subtle motions in my chair - all very reflexive - before I realized what I was doing. I was seeing openings and instinctively throwing the punches he wasn't throwing. He drove me nuts. He was decent in the Hamada fight, but you're right, a better trainer than a fighter.

[dagosd2000]

Dan
Your assessment was right on about this fight and Ronnie Shields. I'm glad he became a trainer after it was all said and done. I think he was more motivated working with other fighters than he what he put forth in the ring.

Rog, when he arrived on the scene I had such high hopes for him but I eventually sat there watching him fight and making all these subtle motions in my chair - all very reflexive - before I realized what I was doing. I was seeing openings and instinctively throwing the punches he wasn't throwing. He drove me nuts. He was decent in the Hamada fight, but you're right, a better trainer than a fighter.

Dan
I always had the same feeling when I saw him fight.It was like he wasn't trying or he was throwing the fight.He'd exhibit flashes and you could see he had talent,but for whatever reason he rarely put it in high gear. Hey,what's the deal with your new mayor? I thought Emmanuel didn't have a handle on things,but this new gal makes Maxine Waters look like Hattie McDaniel.

[scartissue]

Rog, when he arrived on the scene I had such high hopes for him but I eventually sat there watching him fight and making all these subtle motions in my chair - all very reflexive - before I realized what I was doing. I was seeing openings and instinctively throwing the punches he wasn't throwing. He drove me nuts. He was decent in the Hamada fight, but you're right, a better trainer than a fighter.

Dan
I always had the same feeling when I saw him fight.It was like he wasn't trying or he was throwing the fight.He'd exhibit flashes and you could see he had talent,but for whatever reason he rarely put it in high gear. Hey,what's the deal with your new mayor? I thought Emmanuel didn't have a handle on things,but this new gal makes Maxine Waters look like Hattie McDaniel.

Oh, man, that is toooo funny!

[scartissue]

If anyone wants to see a fun shoot-out, check out the Bruce Curry-Monroe Brooks fight. These former friends had some dispute and by the time this fight was made they hated each other and wanted to take each other's head off. I saw it live when it took place, but here we go with a scorecard. 10 point must being used rather than the California system (which they may have converted to at this time).

Round 1: 10-10 Even (was leaning for Curry but Brooks came back with 3 bombs at the bell to pull it even)
Round 2: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Brooks
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Brooks
Round 6: 10-9 Curry
Round 7: 10-9 Curry
Round 8: 10-9 Curry
Round 9: KO for Curry

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 78-75 Curry

Actual scores were 77-75 and 79-73 for Curry and 76-76. When Brooks boxed rather than load up on everything in his attempt to decapitate Curry, he didn't do bad. Just couldn't keep his head together and paid for it. Good fight.

[Seamus]

James Toney vs Michael Nunn


R1.10-9 JT

R2.10-9 MN

R3.10-9 MN

R4.10-9 MN

R5.10-9 MN

R6.10-10 Even

R7.10-9 MN

R8.10-9 JT

R9.10-9 JT

R10.10-9 JT

James Toney TKO 11 96-95 for Michael Nunn on my card at the time of the stoppage. I hated watching this.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Michael Nunn


R1.10-9 JT

R2.10-9 MN

R3.10-9 MN

R4.10-9 MN

R5.10-9 MN

R6.10-10 Even

R7.10-9 MN

R8.10-9 JT

R9.10-9 JT

R10.10-9 JT

James Toney TKO 11 96-95 for Michael Nunn on my card at the time of the stoppage. I hated watching this.

I would've had it a clean sweep for Nunn through 7 rounds, but Toney started taking over from Round 8 onward.

[scartissue]

Got a chance to sit down today and score the first fight between Emile Griffith and Luis Rodriguez. Scored on the NY rounds basis. Here we go, 10 rounds.

Round 1: Griffith
Round 2: Rodriguez
Round 3: Griffith
Round 4: Rodriguez
Round 5: Rodriguez
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Griffith
Round 8: Rodriguez
Round 9: Rodriguez
Round 10: Rodriguez

Total: 6-3-1 Rodriguez

Actual scores were 6-4 and 5-4-1 Griffith and 5-4-1 Rodriguez. What won it for Luis on my card was simply workrate. Griffith was the stronger of the two but when Griffith clinched - especially in the last 3 rounds - he wanted to clinch. But Luis kept slathering his mid-section with body punches in those clinches. He was tireless and scoring cleanly. IMO, Rodriguez won the bout on workrate.

[elmersalsa]

If anyone wants to see a fun shoot-out, check out the Bruce Curry-Monroe Brooks fight. These former friends had some dispute and by the time this fight was made they hated each other and wanted to take each other's head off. I saw it live when it took place, but here we go with a scorecard. 10 point must being used rather than the California system (which they may have converted to at this time).

Round 1: 10-10 Even (was leaning for Curry but Brooks came back with 3 bombs at the bell to pull it even)
Round 2: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Brooks
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Brooks
Round 6: 10-9 Curry
Round 7: 10-9 Curry
Round 8: 10-9 Curry
Round 9: KO for Curry

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 78-75 Curry

Actual scores were 77-75 and 79-73 for Curry and 76-76. When Brooks boxed rather than load up on everything in his attempt to decapitate Curry, he didn't do bad. Just couldn't keep his head together and paid for it. Good fight.

I saw that fight back in 1979. It's one of the first fights that I saw when I had the interest in the sport.

[Onetimeonly]

If anyone wants to see a fun shoot-out, check out the Bruce Curry-Monroe Brooks fight. These former friends had some dispute and by the time this fight was made they hated each other and wanted to take each other's head off. I saw it live when it took place, but here we go with a scorecard. 10 point must being used rather than the California system (which they may have converted to at this time).

Round 1: 10-10 Even (was leaning for Curry but Brooks came back with 3 bombs at the bell to pull it even)
Round 2: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Brooks
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Brooks
Round 6: 10-9 Curry
Round 7: 10-9 Curry
Round 8: 10-9 Curry
Round 9: KO for Curry

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 78-75 Curry

Actual scores were 77-75 and 79-73 for Curry and 76-76. When Brooks boxed rather than load up on everything in his attempt to decapitate Curry, he didn't do bad. Just couldn't keep his head together and paid for it. Good fight.

I saw that fight back in 1979. It's one of the first fights that I saw when I had the interest in the sport.

My dad let me stay up late to watch it. On the east coast it was on after the news at 11. Pretty sure rossman/ranquillo was on the card too. I would have thought it was closer to 76 or 77.

[scartissue]

Just watched a terrific little 10 rounder from the old Madison Square Garden telecasts between Paolo Rosi and Argentina's Manuel Alvarez. Damn, these great old fighters used to go at it before the paying audience and for the cameras. Afterall, they wanted to be asked back. Anyways here we go. NY rounds scoring system in effect.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Rosi
Round 3: Even (I would have had it for Alvarez but almost at the bell Rosi decked Alvarez, however, it was not scored a knockdown. I could not, however, go without giving it credit)
Round 4: Rosi
Round 5: Alvarez
Round 6: Alvarez
Round 7: Alvarez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Rosi
Round 10: Alvarez

Total: 4-3-3 Alvarez

Official scores were 7-3, 5-4-1 and 7-2-1 all for Rosi. The UPI scored it 7-3 for Alvarez and the press row were split.

These two were back and forth and a draw probably would have been a better decision. But quite entertaining and fast. It was over before I knew it.

[dagosd2000]

Just watched a terrific little 10 rounder from the old Madison Square Garden telecasts between Paolo Rosi and Argentina's Manuel Alvarez. Damn, these great old fighters used to go at it before the paying audience and for the cameras. Afterall, they wanted to be asked back. Anyways here we go. NY rounds scoring system in effect.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Rosi
Round 3: Even (I would have had it for Alvarez but almost at the bell Rosi decked Alvarez, however, it was not scored a knockdown. I could not, however, go without giving it credit)
Round 4: Rosi
Round 5: Alvarez
Round 6: Alvarez
Round 7: Alvarez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Rosi
Round 10: Alvarez

Total: 4-3-3 Alvarez

Official scores were 7-3, 5-4-1 and 7-2-1 all for Rosi. The UPI scored it 7-3 for Alvarez and the press row were split.

These two were back and forth and a draw probably would have been a better decision. But quite entertaining and fast. It was over before I knew it.

Dan
Don't you think fighters back then moved faster with hands and feet than the what you see today.?Fighters today are very ponderous,expecially their feet.

[scartissue]

Just watched a terrific little 10 rounder from the old Madison Square Garden telecasts between Paolo Rosi and Argentina's Manuel Alvarez. Damn, these great old fighters used to go at it before the paying audience and for the cameras. Afterall, they wanted to be asked back. Anyways here we go. NY rounds scoring system in effect.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Rosi
Round 3: Even (I would have had it for Alvarez but almost at the bell Rosi decked Alvarez, however, it was not scored a knockdown. I could not, however, go without giving it credit)
Round 4: Rosi
Round 5: Alvarez
Round 6: Alvarez
Round 7: Alvarez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Rosi
Round 10: Alvarez

Total: 4-3-3 Alvarez

Official scores were 7-3, 5-4-1 and 7-2-1 all for Rosi. The UPI scored it 7-3 for Alvarez and the press row were split.

These two were back and forth and a draw probably would have been a better decision. But quite entertaining and fast. It was over before I knew it.

Dan
Don't you think fighters back then moved faster with hands and feet than the what you see today.?Fighters today are very ponderous,expecially their feet.

Rog, remember the line we hear trainers tell fighters today, "Win this time, look good next time". Because of contracts and TV, todays fighters can afford to do that. Everything today is strategy to get that win. Which is OK, but doesn't do anything for the guy in the seat. While these guys today are posing and going minute by minute looking for the opening, the fighters of yesterday would have been all over them to put on a good show. It's like I said in the earlier post, you want to be asked back and those guys like Rosi and Alvarez were entertainers. I agree with your assesment 100%.