Who is testing the drug testers?

[Ilya Muromets]

Miller has been accusing Joshua of drug use and he's not the only one, so maybe they thought they'd set up Miller. Maybe the money guys thought that Miller might beat their cash cow and they could make a lot more if he fought Wilder. So who has tested Joshua, and how honest are the tests, or are they political? Does an objective third party observe the tests and the test analysis? The boxing drug testers are mainly based in Las Vegas aren't they? Las Vegas is a Mafia city. It was founded by the Mafia. It's sole reason for existence is to cheat the suckers out of their money. I'm the suspicious type see.


The former head of WADA now travels the world talking about how the tests - even if they are honest - can be beat if you are surrounded by knowledgeable people, doctors etc.


Organized crime controls 25% of world sport: WADA director David Howman, President of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)

https://nypost.com/2014/10/07/organized ... -director/


If organized crime controls 25% of world sport it probably controls 95% of world boxing. Right now I'd rather see drug testing done away with entirely because I don't believe it's fair and honest - like the US government's BS "war on drugs"!

[boxing_rocks]

Organized crime is the most likely reason of absurd cards in big fights like the 114-114 card in Mayweather vs Canelo fight or two cards in Golovkin vs Canelo I.

[Onetimeonly]

Hilarious you claim not to be asjctac.

[tiny_acres]

Hilarious you claim not to be asjctac.

Yep hates America and loves drug usage

[Ilya Muromets]

Organized crime is the most likely reason of absurd cards in big fights like the 114-114 card in Mayweather vs Canelo fight or two cards in Golovkin vs Canelo I.

OC is in everything in Las Vegas and almost everything in pro boxing - the promoters, managers, tv stations, alphabets, judges and refs and announcers and ring doctors, athletic commissions, bookies, arena owners, ticket sellers and scalpers, etc.

[KiwiRider]

OC is in everything in Las Vegas and almost everything in pro boxing - the promoters, managers, tv stations, alphabets, judges and refs and announcers and ring doctors, athletic commissions, bookies, arena owners, ticket sellers and scalpers, etc.

Well, I'm glad the ring girls are in the clear then. It could interrupt my stroke if I thought one of them could be a gangsters moll.

[Boxerbeetle]

Organized crime is the most likely reason of absurd cards in big fights like the 114-114 card in Mayweather vs Canelo fight or two cards in Golovkin vs Canelo I.

Yep 100% agree.

[Ilya Muromets]

Well, I'm glad the ring girls are in the clear then. It could interrupt my stroke if I thought one of them could be a gangsters moll.

Well hold on to your hat because i heard there once was a little hanky panky between a ring card girl and the booking agent so she could get up front and center on a tv boxing show gig! And - this one is hard to believe - but i also heard a little sushi chef girl did a bit of after hours work, if u know what i mean wink wink nudge nudge, at a private post fight party for a boxer from some eastern european country under the guise of being a reporter!

[Thomastearns]

Miller has been accusing Joshua of drug use and he's not the only one, so maybe they thought they'd set up Miller. Maybe the money guys thought that Miller might beat their cash cow and they could make a lot more if he fought Wilder. So who has tested Joshua, and how honest are the tests, or are they political? Does an objective third party observe the tests and the test analysis? The boxing drug testers are mainly based in Las Vegas aren't they? Las Vegas is a Mafia city. It was founded by the Mafia. It's sole reason for existence is to cheat the suckers out of their money. I'm the suspicious type see.


The former head of WADA now travels the world talking about how the tests - even if they are honest - can be beat if you are surrounded by knowledgeable people, doctors etc.


Organized crime controls 25% of world sport: WADA director David Howman, President of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)

https://nypost.com/2014/10/07/organized ... -director/


If organized crime controls 25% of world sport it probably controls 95% of world boxing. Right now I'd rather see drug testing done away with entirely because I don't believe it's fair and honest - like the US government's BS "war on drugs"!

That's probably going to be Miller's reasoning if not his defence - AJ is on PEDs so I had no choice.

If various criminal cartels do control 95% of boxing, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do, it's still important to strengthen testing as much as possible. Getting rid of testing would make boxing a hundred times more dangerous than it is now. By all means get it away from Vegas as far as possible.

As for Anthony Joshua, he can't do much more by way of testing. There's never been a hint of any PED use. We have seen physiques like his before, even better than his for those who remember Frank Bruno.

Can you imagine if Frank was boxing today what kind of crap hypocrites like Miller would be coming out with?

[Ilya Muromets]

Miller's statement:

"I want to thank all of my supporters who have stood by me since day one and especially during this extremely difficult time.
I have not been tuned in to social media and any other media outlets to focus and channel all of my energies into working hard with no distractions.
I am absolutely devastated upon hearing the news my boxing license has been revoked in NY State and I will be vigorously appealing this decision. I have NEVER knowingly taken any banned substance and when I found out the news last night I was totally shocked.
My team and I stand for integrity, decency & honesty and together we will stand to fight this with everything we have!
This was a voluntarily test that I was very happy to do and these results came just one week after another voluntarily test that I had taken which was completely clean. I refuse to just lie down and let my dream be taken away from me when I know in my heart that I’ve done nothing wrong.
15 years of hard work. I’m WARRIOR .. I don’t need a banned substance.
Remember don’t believe everything you hear and see. The facts will prevail and I shall be vindicate. I don’t have anything to hide and the truth will make itself known."

[Ilya Muromets]

That's probably going to be Miller's reasoning if not his defence - AJ is on PEDs so I had no choice.

If various criminal cartels do control 95% of boxing, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do, it's still important to strengthen testing as much as possible. Getting rid of testing would make boxing a hundred times more dangerous than it is now. By all means get it away from Vegas as far as possible.

As for Anthony Joshua, he can't do much more by way of testing. There's never been a hint of any PED use. We have seen physiques like his before, even better than his for those who remember Fra innk Bruno.

Can you imagine if Frank was boxing today what kind of crap hypocrites like Miller would be coming out with?

That would be a good start.

[Enlightened-One]

Who is testing the drug testers?

Miller has been accusing Joshua of drug use and he's not the only one, so maybe they thought they'd set up Miller. Maybe the money guys thought that Miller might beat their cash cow and they could make a lot more if he fought Wilder. So who has tested Joshua, and how honest are the tests, or are they political? Does an objective third party observe the tests and the test analysis? The boxing drug testers are mainly based in Las Vegas aren't they? Las Vegas is a Mafia city. It was founded by the Mafia. It's sole reason for existence is to cheat the suckers out of their money. I'm the suspicious type see.


The former head of WADA now travels the world talking about how the tests - even if they are honest - can be beat if you are surrounded by knowledgeable people, doctors etc.


Organized crime controls 25% of world sport: WADA director David Howman, President of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)

https://nypost.com/2014/10/07/organized ... -director/


If organized crime controls 25% of world sport it probably controls 95% of world boxing. Right now I'd rather see drug testing done away with entirely because I don't believe it's fair and honest - like the US government's BS "war on drugs"!

The electronic devices that you use to submit posts to this forum not only need to be password protected, but they also need to have breathalyser technology built into them in order to enable the use of their keyboards.

[Onetimeonly]

Miller's statement:

"I want to thank all of my supporters who have stood by me since day one and especially during this extremely difficult time.
I have not been tuned in to social media and any other media outlets to focus and channel all of my energies into working hard with no distractions.
I am absolutely devastated upon hearing the news my boxing license has been revoked in NY State and I will be vigorously appealing this decision. I have NEVER knowingly taken any banned substance and when I found out the news last night I was totally shocked.
My team and I stand for integrity, decency & honesty and together we will stand to fight this with everything we have!
This was a voluntarily test that I was very happy to do and these results came just one week after another voluntarily test that I had taken which was completely clean. I refuse to just lie down and let my dream be taken away from me when I know in my heart that I’ve done nothing wrong.
15 years of hard work. I’m WARRIOR .. I don’t need a banned substance.
Remember don’t believe everything you hear and see. The facts will prevail and I shall be vindicate. I don’t have anything to hide and the truth will make itself known."

Do you think wilder tampered with the test to screw him and Joshua?

[Enlightened-One]

Do you think wilder tampered with the test to screw him and Joshua?

Jarrell Miller has failed two tests. He failed one when he was a kickboxer. I really can't believe the stuff you write. Even if you're attempting to make a joke - it's a terrible one that makes no sense.

[Ilya Muromets]

There are a few prolific posters here who always make inane posts. i put them on ignore.

The Las Vegas drug test crew is sabotaging another big fight. It wasn't that long ago that they sabotaged the Povetkin-Wilder fight ostensibly because Pov. was a doper, whereas the truth was it was a setup because they were afraid their cash cow Wilder wiould lose, and Wilder knew about it in advance because he.never even went over to train for the fight, and it turns out that all they were claiming they found on Pov. was a microscopic amount of some vitamin type thing that was perfectly legal in Europe up to a few months before, and then Pov was subsequently cleared of even that. They did that right before that big fight, same as this one. This one smells like the same thing. Miller had just passed a drug test and this next one was voluntary. Why would he take a voluntary drug test if he was dirty? In fact why would anyone take a voluntary drug test? It just gives Las Vegas a chance to set you up.

[Oiky]

It's all skullduggery

Who gets a pass or not though depends on how much cash you generate.....

Small fish get outed,big fish get a pass

It's not stringent testing at all,never will be

[Enlightened-One]

There are a few prolific posters here who always make inane posts. i put them on ignore.

Blah... Blah, blah, blah, blaaaaahhhh...

You creatively fabricate all sorts of weird conspiracy theories that are usually derogatory in nature, based on nothing but your own imagination.

Your opinion would carry more credibility if you’d performed some research, gathered evidence to substantiate your claims and then attempted to disprove your own hypothesis to ensure it stood up to scrutiny, but you don’t make any effort to do this, do you?

Instead you resort to complaining about so-called “prolific posters… who always make inane posts”, compelling you to “put them on ignore” whenever you cannot defend your stance.

[kbackup408]

It's all skullduggery

Who gets a pass or not though depends on how much cash you generate.....

Small fish get outed,big fish get a pass

It's not stringent testing at all,never will be

I think it is changing pal even the big fish get named and shamed (although they get a 6 month slap on the wrist which is basically just one long training camp)

[Oiky]

I think it is changing pal even the big fish get named and shamed (although they get a 6 month slap on the wrist which is basically just one long training camp)

I don't think it is mate,naming & shaming is just what they do to save face imo,look at canelo,he was named but utimately nothing major happened to him & imo that's due to his standing in the sport

Could be wrong of course but that's my take

[kbackup408]

I don't think it is mate,naming & shaming is just what they do to save face imo,look at canelo,he was named but utimately nothing major happened to him & imo that's due to his standing in the sport

Could be wrong of course but that's my take

I know pal, but I remember the slander coming towards Canelo was crazy I am not an instagram man but the lad had more needle emoji comments than a GP

So what happens now is Miller out for June 1st because this B sample BS is ridiculous, the B sample is collected at the same time A is done just a separate bottle!

[Oiky]

I know pal, but I remember the slander coming towards Canelo was crazy I am not an instagram man but the lad had more needle emoji comments than a GP

So what happens now is Miller out for June 1st because this B sample BS is ridiculous, the B sample is collected at the same time A is done just a separate bottle!

Yeah he got plenty of stick from fellow fighters & fans but in terms of being pulled up on it properly by the commissions he got F all - I think folk would be surprised how many fighters are juicing - I don't care what folk do,but if the commissions are going to punish for juicing the severity should be the same for each man

Far as I know fights off bud

[Enlightened-One]

Yeah [Canelo] got plenty of stick from fellow fighters & fans but in terms of being pulled up on it properly by the commissions he got F all - I think folk would be surprised how many fighters are juicing - I don't care what folk do,but if the commissions are going to punish for juicing the severity should be the same for each man

Canelo was only able to compete once during 2018, instead of his customary tradition of engaging in two fights per year, which meant that his six-month suspension cost him in the region of $25m to $40m in lost earnings.

Canelo also apparently now has to spend more than $50K per annum to pay for year-round VADA testing on an ongoing basis.

This is despite the fact it was only the NSAC’s own rulebook that compelled them to enforce a suspension, due to their zero-tolerance policy, even though they were reluctant to do so, since they claimed that it was successfully proven that Canelo didn’t intentionally consume PED's.

The only reason why Canelo received a ban in the first place, was because the NSAC's rules doesn't care about the root cause of any positive drug test result, but the punishment that they administered should almost certainly be deemed as being financially severe.

Let’s not forget that the suspension that the NSAC were highly-reluctant to impose on Canelo, resulted in GGG receiving an indirect punishment also, since the postponement of his Cinco De Mayo bout against Alvarez cost him millions of dollars in lost earnings, which seems really unfair considering there was really no “guilty” party.

[Paci]

Miller screwd up and bailed on a great payday. End of story.

[greg]

..the boxer should be ULTIMATELY responsible for what gets into his body, period...I tend to believe that the cheats like Canelo and Co. should not only get a two-year ban as first time offenders but also reimburse the losses of the other party..make it once as a precedent and there'll be fewer of those willing to cheat..

[Oiky]

Canelo was only able to compete once during 2018, instead of his customary tradition of engaging in two fights per year, which meant that his six-month suspension cost him in the region of $25m to $40m in lost earnings.

Canelo also apparently now has to spend more than $50K per annum to pay for year-round VADA testing on an ongoing basis.

This is despite the fact it was only the NSAC’s own rulebook that compelled them to enforce a suspension, due to their zero-tolerance policy, even though they were reluctant to do so, since they claimed that it was successfully proven that Canelo didn’t intentionally consume PED's.

The only reason why Canelo received a ban in the first place, was because the NSAC's rules doesn't care about the root cause of any positive drug test result, but the punishment that they administered should almost certainly be deemed as being financially severe.

Let’s not forget that the suspension that the NSAC were highly-reluctant to impose on Canelo, resulted in GGG receiving an indirect punishment also, since the postponement of his Cinco De Mayo bout against Alvarez cost him millions of dollars in lost earnings, which seems really unfair considering there was really no “guilty” party.

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