candyslim wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 03:47
Nobody was forcing Joshua to fight Miller, so why fight him if they were scared of him ? I was pretty much the only one on here expecting a competitive fight, most people (ok, not you) thought Joshua would blow him away in a few rounds.
Now the fight isn't happening it's all a conspiracy between Evil Eddie Hearn and the "Las Vegas drug crew" ffs.
I was going to say "you couldn't make it up" except you just did
No, I wouldn't say it was a "conspiracy" between Hearn or whoever it is who owns the majority stock in Joshua and the Las Vegas drug testing crew. I figure you slip them the bucks and they'll take care of business. Like they say in LV, money talks BS walks. As for the majority here, do they have a better track record in picking winners than me or anyone else? If they did fight I think there's a good chance that Miller could bull Joshua like he did Adamek. He outweighs him by 70 pounds. Or maybe like the majority think Joshua would beat up on him. No denying he's a very dangerous opponent though. I've been predicting that both the Brooklyn babies could become co heavyweight champs, at least temp., at least in one of the alphabets, maybe, like I know, ha ha, but that's my story and I'm sticking with it!
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 02:54
I'd be very happy if Ortiz was the replacement. Would be reminiscent of Lewis taking on Vitali when another fat slob, Kirk Johnson, withdrew from the fight.
No it wouldn't. Horrible comparison really. Ortiz is well past his best.
I want to see the Joshua-Miller fight, but I wouldn't be unhappy to see Joshua-Ortiz because I think that Ortiz actually beat Wilder because of the monkey business in round 8 in that fight giving Wilder precious seconds when he was on queer street.
Wilder was on Queer Street. I miss that term actually
Winners come back from being badly hurt. There was no monkey business. Look what happened to Abdusalamov in the same city, I believe the same building. They didn't want a repeat of that tragedy. The officials had a choice of risking the repeat, stopping the fight prematurely, or doing what they did.
Tony1244 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 10:24
Wilder was on Queer Street. I miss that term actually
Winners come back from being badly hurt. There was no monkey business. Look what happened to Abdusalamov in the same city, I believe the same building. They didn't want a repeat of that tragedy. The officials had a choice of risking the repeat, stopping the fight prematurely, or doing what they did.
Doing what they did was the right call.
Yeah you're not supposed to say that anymore. F 'em. I'm not interested in being PC.
Come on! If they were so concerned about Wilder's health in rd. 8 why weren't they concerned about Ortiz' health in round ten? Why didn't they stop the fight to examine him then? Why don't they stop fights every time a fighter gets shaken up badly by a punch? It's absurd - and like the announcer was yelling at the time, "They can't do that!"
I don't claim that I am an expert, but I am sure that Joshua (in his prime) may be defeated only by extremely hard hitting opponent (Wilder) or extremely skillful (Fury or Usyk).
Nobody knows what will happen in the future, and how will Ajagba, Makhmoudov, Dubois and Hrgović improve, but right now there are only three mentioned fighters capable to beat Joshua.
Ortiz is very decent puncher (but not extremely powerful) and he is pretty (but not extremely) skillful. Two years ago, he would have some chance against Joshua, nowadays, his chance is very slim. Anyway, he is much better than Miller.
I expect he would have some moments in the fight ( like Povetkin had), but Joshua would be victorious, definitely.
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 05:58
He only had a week longer than that for Wilder, didn't he?
It seems odd to me that 6 weeks is supposedly not enough time, where a career high payday (several times over) that he wouldn't otherwise be in line for, is on offer and with no obligation to make weight.
I understand we don't know the details, but if it's not just an excuse thought up by a reluctant management, then it only suggests Ortiz is currently ridiculously out of shape, or his camp aren't certain he'd pass VADA testing himself.
JimStone wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 10:02
No it wouldn't. Horrible comparison really. Ortiz is well past his best.
Who are you expecting them to get at Short noticed?
I still think even at 40, Ortiz has some wrinkles to his game that could cause Joshua some problems early on - it depends how much ambition he has left though obviously.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 11:38
Who are you expecting them to get at Short noticed?
I still think even at 40, Ortiz has some wrinkles to his game that could cause Joshua some problems early on - it depends how much ambition he has left though obviously.
Agreed! Ortiz would be a good win for Joshua, even considering his age. He's still one of the top five HW's today, let's not forget.
Tony1244 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 10:24
Wilder was on Queer Street. I miss that term actually
Winners come back from being badly hurt. There was no monkey business. Look what happened to Abdusalamov in the same city, I believe the same building. They didn't want a repeat of that tragedy. The officials had a choice of risking the repeat, stopping the fight prematurely, or doing what they did.
Doing what they did was the right call.
Maybe it was but Ortiz didn't get the same benefit package did he? No extra recovery time for him.
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 05:58
He only had a week longer than that for Wilder, didn't he?
Ortiz was at peak fitness when he knew about the Wilder bout 12 weeks prior to their fight-date, since he had only just competed and finished a training camp.
ValMar wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 10:36
I don't claim that I am an expert, but I am sure that Joshua (in his prime) may be defeated only by extremely hard hitting opponent (Wilder) or extremely skillful (Fury or Usyk).
Nobody knows what will happen in the future, and how will Ajagba, Makhmoudov, Dubois and Hrgović improve, but right now there are only three mentioned fighters capable to beat Joshua.
Ortiz is very decent puncher (but not extremely powerful) and he is pretty (but not extremely) skillful. Two years ago, he would have some chance against Joshua, nowadays, his chance is very slim. Anyway, he is much better than Miller.
I expect he would have some moments in the fight ( like Povetkin had), but Joshua would be victorious, definitely.
Ortiz is definitely a better boxer than Miller but he is on the slide now and stamina has become an issue. He deserves a higher rating than Miller (had) but i'd have fancied Miller to beat him and to pose a greater threat to AJ due his superior stamina, work-rate and (maybe) punch resistance. Of course as much as I would dearly love to believe in his innocence this may well be the pharmaceutically enhanced Miller I'm describing.
I'm always happy to debate with you OTO but you're not saying anything, so unless you want to explain where my thinking is faulty, I'm just going to ignore you I'm afraid.
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 12:08
I'm always happy to debate with you OTO but you're not saying anything, so unless you want to explain where my thinking is faulty, I'm just going to ignore you I'm afraid.
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 12:08
I'm always happy to debate with you OTO but you're not saying anything, so unless you want to explain where my thinking is faulty, I'm just going to ignore you I'm afraid.
Your revisiting of the bvllshvt of preferential treatment is getting tiresome. I'm starting to believe OTO when he says you are a Wilder hater. And I don't agree with him often.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 12:00
He would have if he survived the round.
I guess we'll never know. I don't really have a problem with what transpired because it soon became apparent to me that Ortiz was more in need of the respite than Wilder was.
oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 12:13
Your revisiting of the bvllshvt of preferential treatment is getting tiresome. I'm starting to believe OTO when he says you are a Wilder hater. And I don't agree with him often.
Believe whatever you like. I've explained my attitude to Wilder many times and I've always been consistent.
jamamb wrote: ↑19 Apr 2019, 12:28
of ffs not this topic again, obviously someone really wanted to see wilder lose and they didnt get there wish. let it be.
try to take solace in wilder not beating fury and just can it
