Joshua vs. Hunter, a mismatch or not ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 21 Apr 2019, 11:32

I expect it will be announced very soon, Unfortunately, Hunter seems to be the only choice for June.
For me, this is a typical mismatch. Best wishes for Hunter, I hope he will be well paid and stay healthy.
What do you think about ?

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 21 Apr 2019, 12:06

Hunter is a very solid fighter but I find it hard to imagine him troubling Joshua at all. He'd give wilder or fury problems but Joshua has too much of a combo of size, skills, power and activity. The other two lack in at least one department. Still it's as good as you could hope for.

Jeff_lacy_ko · Post by **Jeff_lacy_ko** » 21 Apr 2019, 12:09

Hunter has no prayer, but joshua is the divisions best so you could say that about a lot of guys

He won a couple rounds against usyk but was outclassed.

Hunter knocked out a 41 year old ustinov. Thats his best win. His resume is pretty thin

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 21 Apr 2019, 13:26

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 12:09 Hunter has no prayer, but joshua is the divisions best so you could say that about a lot of guys

He won a couple rounds against usyk but was outclassed.

Hunter knocked out a 41 year old ustinov. Thats his best win. His resume is pretty thin

Fair post.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 21 Apr 2019, 13:53

Mismatch. I'm already on record as holding that opinion.

Hunter was actually the one potential replacement that I had no interest in seeing versus Joshua.

Although come to think of it, I suppose I prefer him over Charr.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 21 Apr 2019, 13:58

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 13:53 Mismatch. I'm already on record as holding that opinion.

Hunter was actually the one potential replacement that I had no interest in seeing versus Joshua.

Although come to think of it, I suppose I prefer him over Charr.

Dear Lord yes!

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 21 Apr 2019, 14:04

I can not see the future, I have not a crystall ball, but I think the prediction is pretty easy.
Joshua is two levels above Hunter, but, because of the American fans, he will not KO Hunter at once, he will wait four or five rounds and finish the job easily.

Rob3_142 · Post by **Rob3_142** » 22 Apr 2019, 05:08

I'm pretty shocked Hunter is even being linked.

He's had FOUR heavyweight fights against nobody. He's American, but he is unknown to the casual.

I appreciate that Joshua's team are struggling to find someone relevant, but this is not the answer.

If they are matched up, Joshua inside 3 rounds.

greg · Post by **greg** » 22 Apr 2019, 06:10

...nowhere near a perfect opponent/solution, but what else can you do under the circumstances...

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 22 Apr 2019, 06:25

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 12:09 Hunter has no prayer, but joshua is the divisions best so you could say that about a lot of guys

He won a couple rounds against usyk but was outclassed.

Hunter knocked out a 41 year old ustinov. Thats his best win. His resume is pretty thin

i wouldn't say that Ustinov is his best win. Ustinov was knocked out by Manuel effing Charr. His best win is over Martin Bakole who recently destroyed Wach and showed decent speed, he was throwing a lot with decent power, he would destroy Ustinov too.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 22 Apr 2019, 06:27

I voted undecided because the answer depends on how you interpret the term 'mismatch'. Hunter beat Ustinov who was well past his not very good best but prior to that beat a highly touted Martin Bakole Ilunga who has since beaten Mariusz Wach. Consensus opinion on this forum suggests he is worthy of a top 15 ranking.

On the one hand you could say "How can a fight against any top 15 contender be a mismatch?". TBF I'd be more comfortable asking that question about a top 10 contender rather than 15 but the point stands.

On other hand while Hunter is skilled, tough and mobile enough to beat bigger slower men (a Joyce fight would be very interesting) he's too small to trouble Joshua who has all of the physical advantages of a 250lb 2 metre heavyweight without the drawbacks in speed and mobility that Hunter would be looking to exploit.

I see little to no chance of Hunter upsetting Joshua so in this sense the term mismatch isn't out of place.

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 22 Apr 2019, 07:37

I voted undecided because I see the possibility of Hunter pulling a Jimmy Young. Hunter's Father "The Bounty Hunter" had some upsets.

I'll say this though: if Hunter does well, it won't be an exciting fight.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 22 Apr 2019, 08:47

This fight would be a mismatch. There’s no doubt about it.

AJ may choose to box for a few rounds, to kid the paying audience to believing they’re getting their money’s worth, but the Brit would be capable of upping the pace and forcing the stoppage immediately, whenever he deems fit.

Nightmare Roy · Post by **Nightmare Roy** » 22 Apr 2019, 09:13

He’s too small but at such short notice he’s probably the best option, pretty much had to be an American fighter, it’s all about growing DAZN

Thomastearns · Post by **Thomastearns** » 22 Apr 2019, 09:44

greg wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 06:10 ...nowhere near a perfect opponent/solution, but what else can you do under the circumstances...

True. Besides we're looking from the fans view. From Hunter's point of view I bet he can't sign fast enough.

Should be of great interest to Usyk too.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 22 Apr 2019, 09:49

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 09:13 He’s too small but at such short notice he’s probably the best option, pretty much had to be an American fighter, it’s all about growing DAZN

Dazn is dead in the water, just a matter of when they pull the plug. I doubt this fight does more than 50k viewers.

Nightmare Roy · Post by **Nightmare Roy** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:06

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 09:49 Dazn is dead in the water, just a matter of when they pull the plug. I doubt this fight does more than 50k viewers.

No idea where they are getting all the money to pay the ridiculous purses from, it certainly ain’t from a few thousand die Hard fans paying $10 a month

JohnMcMinn · Post by **JohnMcMinn** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:19

Mismatch. Technically, he's rated in the Top 10 by the IBF but I don't think he has enough heavyweight experience to make the fight competitive. I really hope they're able to find another opponent somehow. No disrespect to Hunter, but this would be a lackluster US debut for Joshua.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:21

Boksgek wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:13 What planet are you living on? Flat earth or something?

No, honey, my earth is round.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:23

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:06 No idea where they are getting all the money to pay the ridiculous purses from, it certainly ain’t from a few thousand die Hard fans paying $10 a month

I don't think they've done enough subscription business to cover a third of canelos purse vs fielding!

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:36

Boksgek wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:31 If you know that an inactive 400 pound balloon living in a caravan that go's on a diet, schools a cruiserweight for well over half an hour get's about 300k views at 20 pounds each view, then how on earth would you think that the olympic super heavyweight champion that already won against piles of other olympic super heavyweight champions of the world and already owns all the belts that matter and aren't corrupt would only generate 50k views?

Then you're either a big troll or you simply don't understand anything. My ex girlfriends even know better, despite they never heard of Fury in their life.

Dazn reportedly has 80k subscribers in the States. Surely you can do that math? Joshua isn't a name here, Americans don't like boxing and they definitely don't watch it during the day. Josh/povetkin reportedly only did 10k and that was mostly free trials. If your exes want to learn from someone who knows what they're talking about. Have them hmu.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:56

Boksgek wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:45 You're right, even in a country he has never ever fought in before in his life alone already he will probably already get more views. He filled stadions with more people then 50k lol!

I know I'm right. Fury/wilder was more like 60 pounds btw.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 23 Apr 2019, 02:30

Shhhh wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:43 Why is Bakole consider a good win? He had 10 fights and the hunter fight looked like a poor area title fight.

If that’s enough to fite Joshua the best in the division. Hunter is quality wise fighter Joshua should’ve faced 4 years ago.

That's a fair question. His dismissal of Domenic Akinlade first made me raise an eyebrow then he followed that up with some more decent British level wins.

Mainly though his trainer was bigging him up like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, and then there was all the talk of the "world class sparring" between AJ and Bakole. I'm not saying I was convinced by all the hype but it did get my attention, and the way Hunter dealt with him and burst his bubble was I felt, pretty impressive.

Hunter is a good fighter and should be able to mess AJ around for a few rounds without ever looking like he could possibly win.

You're right he doesn't deserve a title shot, but what is the alternative when Miller has demonstrated the intelligence of a slug, and Ortiz and Kownacki have decided (or it's been decided for them) that they have no use for (up to) US$8m at this time?

Of course we could have had Mahmoud aka Manuel Charr instead

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 23 Apr 2019, 08:50

candyslim wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 02:30 That's a fair question. His dismissal of Domenic Akinlade first made me raise an eyebrow then he followed that up with some more decent British level wins.

Mainly though his trainer was bigging him up like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, and then there was all the talk of the "world class sparring" between AJ and Bakole. I'm not saying I was convinced by all the hype but it did get my attention, and the way Hunter dealt with him and burst his bubble was I felt, pretty impressive.

Hunter is a good fighter and should be able to mess AJ around for a few rounds without ever looking like he could possibly win.

You're right he doesn't deserve a title shot, but what is the alternative when Miller has demonstrated the intelligence of a slug, and Ortiz and Kownacki have decided (or it's been decided for them) that they have no use for (up to) US$8m at this time?

Of course we could have had Mahmoud aka Manuel Charr instead

God forbid that Charr gets this matchup!

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 23 Apr 2019, 08:58

Agreed, I'd prefer Ruiz or Hunter given that we aren't getting Miller, Ortiz or Kownacki. I think I'd prefer Ruiz although I think Hunter probably gives AJ more problems than Ruiz would.