why does it matter what someone else is getting paid

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 23 Apr 2019, 20:07

seen some ppl argue that ortiz shouldnt take anything less then 6.5m since miller got offered that

seen some ppl say wilder shouldve turned down 100m since he wasnt allowed to see what aj was getting, so he didnt know if his offer was fair

my question is, why the hell does it matter what someone else is getting? isnt a lot of money is still a lot of money, especially if its way more then u usually get and is over your value as a draw?

10 percent of 100m is more then 50 percent of 1om

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 23 Apr 2019, 20:10

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 20:07 seen some ppl argue that ortiz shouldnt take anything less then 6.5m since miller got offered that

seen some ppl say wilder shouldve turned down 100m since he wasnt allowed to see what aj was getting, so he didnt know if his offer was fair

my question is, why the hell does it matter what someone else is getting?

10 percent of 100m is more then 50 percent of 1om

No one argued that. What they make doesn't matter unless it's in the context of what is being said.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 23 Apr 2019, 20:15

ya ive seen it a bunch

punchers chance · Post by **punchers chance** » 24 Apr 2019, 01:55

It only matters to the person who's earning it.

For the rest of us it's just something to talk about but most are not aware of the facts regarding purse negotiations so it's ultimately pointless.

Steveh583 · Post by **Steveh583** » 24 Apr 2019, 02:38

If you are stepping in to save the day you deserve a bump imo. As said, it depends what you bring to the table on various levels. Ortiz brings a credible name. I've no probs with fighters expecting to be paid their worth or maximising their earnings of a short career.

paddy chavez · Post by **paddy chavez** » 24 Apr 2019, 02:45

It seems pretty petty to me , having said that in Ortiz Case he has to ask for at least what Miller was getting maybe a bit more as a starting point but it's a gamble if he turns down £5 million and losses the fight he'd be lucky to get $1 million for any other fight

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 24 Apr 2019, 02:56

Steveh583 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 02:38 If you are stepping in to save the day you deserve a bump imo. As said, it depends what you bring to the table on various levels. Ortiz brings a credible name. I've no probs with fighters expecting to be paid their worth or maximising their earnings of a short career.

I agree with this..

Pulev was gonna be paid £4m against Joshua..

Let's not forget, Takam was informed to stay ready way before Pulev pulled out and knew he 'could' be stepping in..

Takam was paid around £800k to step in.. Someone tell me he deserved a bit more than that at least.

Thing is, that figure was probably negotiated when they first spoke to Takam and he probably wanted more, he might have agreed to that amount as it was his career high.

So all we can do is discuss it, without knowing more facts.

FACT: Takam was paid £800k to fill in for Pulev

OPINION: Takam deserved/should have taken more money.

Oiky · Post by **Oiky** » 24 Apr 2019, 05:08

It shouldlnt matter to anyone that is not a beneficiary what someone is getting paid....

Truly bizarre how some rows happen over fighter pay,I've been guilty of it in the past but it's so f***ing stupid...

The fights matter,Ortiz pay is Ortiz & his team business,I find fans getting so wrapped up in promoter talks,fighter pay very strange

You remember the punches not the notes

No one likes to hear of anyone being taken the piss out of money wise,but in general,from a fans point of view why would anyone seriously delve deep into it all?

bripez · Post by **bripez** » 24 Apr 2019, 07:12

I thought it was pretty routine for a big fight to have a "reserve" in place - they will fight on the bill for £x amount, however if called upon for the main event (due to injury to the original opponent) then they would be paid £x+

Considering that Joshua is making his US debut, I cannot believe that Eddie woke up last week and started negotiations with fighters who may or may not be in training - this would surely have been agreed behind the scenes a long time ago.

Fightnight Scores · Post by **Fightnight Scores** » 24 Apr 2019, 08:24

punchers chance wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 01:55 It only matters to the person who's earning it.

For the rest of us it's just something to talk about but most are not aware of the facts regarding purse negotiations so it's ultimately pointless.

This is the crux of it, and it's only in these days of social media, where coverage of events are 24/7 and played out infront of the social world, where it's become a talking point.

Was there all these discussions about how much Tyson and Holyfield were getting at the time? Or even Lennox and Vitali?

No one gave a sh!t back then, they just got the fights on.

emallini · Post by **emallini** » 24 Apr 2019, 08:28

I just want good fights

leejonesjnr · Post by **leejonesjnr** » 24 Apr 2019, 09:48

I believe that the OP isn't asking about fans opinions on pay, but more the boxers approach to negotiating. For example if Wilder generally earns $2m why wouldn't he jump at the chance to box someone for $10m even if they are getting $200m?

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 24 Apr 2019, 14:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 09:48 I believe that the OP isn't asking about fans opinions on pay, but more the boxers approach to negotiating. For example if Wilder generally earns $2m why wouldn't he jump at the chance to box someone for $10m even if they are getting $200m?

thats exactly it

and i have seen a lot of ppl saying for example, well ortiz shouldnt accept anything less then what miller was getting, or even that wilder was right in turning down 100m, because he wasnt informed of what aj was getting and aj mayve been getting way more

im just wondering if im missing something about business. like, if a pay day is way more then you usually get or your value typically is, what does it matter if someone else gets more. a guy with loads of millions is still wealthy even if there are guys with billions etc

Lenny Cravats · Post by **Lenny Cravats** » 24 Apr 2019, 19:48

It's very American.

Discussing wages and money publicly is distasteful. When you see fighters purses come up on the American broadcast I find it very odd.

tiny_acres · Post by **tiny_acres** » 24 Apr 2019, 20:05

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 19:48 It's very American.

Discussing wages and money publicly is distasteful. When you see fighters purses come up on the American broadcast I find it very odd.

Pretty much every sport in th U.S. has salaries disclosed. Certain sports have salary caps and people argue if the money paid benefit or hinder the team

Ricky · Post by **Ricky** » 24 Apr 2019, 22:32

Ortiz isn't fighting AJ cause he got a low offer; he isn't fighting AJ cause he's loaded to the eyeballs with PEDs and won't have them out his system in time.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 25 Apr 2019, 05:03

Like every fight that's ever been made, both parties have to agree. That is all.

chinarich · Post by **chinarich** » 25 Apr 2019, 05:15

I would say there’s a certain amount of pride involved and then valuing yourself in context with the pay of others.

If I was earning, say, £50k in my current job and was offered £75k to work somewhere else doing the same job I would jump at the chance. However, if I found out that all my future colleagues were earning £100k I would hold out for more money, even at the risk of losing the job. Wouldn’t you?

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 25 Apr 2019, 05:28

chinarich wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 05:15 I would say there’s a certain amount of pride involved and then valuing yourself in context with the pay of others.

If I was earning, say, £50k in my current job and was offered £75k to work somewhere else doing the same job I would jump at the chance. However, if I found out that all my future colleagues were earning £100k I would hold out for more money, even at the risk of losing the job. Wouldn’t you?

Whoever takes the fight has the chance to become beat Josh and cash in the lottery ticket. Different scenario.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 25 Apr 2019, 05:30

Steveh583 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 02:38 If you are stepping in to save the day you deserve a bump imo.

What about Bert Cooper taking Tyson's place against Holyfield?

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 25 Apr 2019, 05:47

RKY wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 22:32 Ortiz isn't fighting AJ cause he got a low offer; he isn't fighting AJ cause he's loaded to the eyeballs with PEDs and won't have them out his system in time.

Sadly, that’s almost certainly the case. It’s exactly why they should always have proper stand-bys for big fights - too difficult to get a decent short notice replacement otherwise because they all need time to cycle

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 25 Apr 2019, 06:26

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 05:30 What about Bert Cooper taking Tyson's place against Holyfield?

Holyfield, who was going to earn $30 million for the Tyson fight, made $6 million for fighting Cooper, who was paid $750,000.

Which is equivilent to $1,399,790 today.

It was 6 days notice and he wasn't even the first choice to step in.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 25 Apr 2019, 06:54

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 06:26 Holyfield, who was going to earn $30 million for the Tyson fight, made $6 million for fighting Cooper, who was paid $750,000.

Which is equivilent to $1,399,790 today.

It was 6 days notice and he wasn't even the first choice to step in.

Aye, Damiani was first choice if I recall. Cooper earned good money and raised his profile enough to get the Moorer fight. It's an absolute no brainer for Ortiz if he would pass the PED test. Millions of bucks and a chance to become the highest earner in the sport.

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 25 Apr 2019, 07:15

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 06:54 Aye, Damiani was first choice if I recall. Cooper earned good money and raised his profile enough to get the Moorer fight. It's an absolute no brainer for Ortiz if he would pass the PED test. Millions of bucks and a chance to become the highest earner in the sport.

Yeh, considering Cooper earned only $75k against Foreman

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 25 Apr 2019, 07:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 07:15 Yeh, considering Cooper earned only $75k against Foreman

If you were running Ortiz career. What's the least you would take for the Josh fight?

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