Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 12:55
Of course, but they werent going to generate significant subscriptions anyway, now they have a scapegoat. May as well pay less and give someone a huge opportunity.
Business simply does not work like that. DAZN have made significant investments, and they expect some return on it. Especially considering AJ has follow up fights as part of his contract, they're at least going to want their subscribers to come back!
Greg has summed it up nicely - "up shite creek without a paddle"
greg wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 11:17
..I don't think promoters are great strategists capable of thinking 10 moves ahead...Hearn just wants to find a credible opponent but seems like he's up shite creek without a paddle, NOT HIS fault though..doubt if this whole venture (AJs US debut) will be a success story..
Yeah 10 moves ahead doesn't work so well when your fighter loses...
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:54
BTW, the thread title is meant to be sarcastic.
I'm starting to think that jamamb is actually Eddie Hearn or at least one of the Matchroom team. There's no other possible reason why he could be so consistently thin skinned of any minor criticism of Hearn or Joshua
ewenhay wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 13:54
I'm starting to think that jamamb is actually Eddie Hearn or at least one of the Matchroom team. There's no other possible reason why he could be so consistently thin skinned of any minor criticism of Hearn or Joshua
LOL!! Jam's a great poster! I'm not sure, but I do notice a consistent pattern in what seems to get him 'going.' You nailed it.
ewenhay wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 13:54
I'm starting to think that jamamb is actually Eddie Hearn or at least one of the Matchroom team. There's no other possible reason why he could be so consistently thin skinned of any minor criticism of Hearn or Joshua
eddeh can blow off for all i care, josh is the king though
but srsly, ive seen over the years so much moaning about ortiz not getting his shots and being ducked etc. stuff like 'poor ortiz' but not actually sarcastic. but if you look at it hes done a lot to himself with his business moves. i just got no sympathy. and now the guy says hell fight for pretty much anything but then turns it down. i wonder what it really was
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 13:58
eddeh can blow off for all i care, josh is the king though
but srsly, ive seen over the years so much moaning about ortiz not getting his shots and being ducked etc. but if you look at it hes done a lot to himself with his business moves. i just got no sympathy. and now the guy says hell fight for pretty much anything but then turns it down. i wonder what it really was
Yep 4 diffdifferent promotions in his career is a joke and career suicide.
I know we will never know what the true offer from Eddie was. But it would have to be pathetically low to have a legitimate reason to turn it down
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 13:44
Business simply does not work like that. DAZN have made significant investments, and they expect some return on it. Especially considering AJ has follow up fights as part of his contract, they're at least going to want their subscribers to come back!
Greg has summed it up nicely - "up shite creek without a paddle"
Dazn will never turn a profit in the States. Never. They haven't even covered half of canelos fee for his 1 fight with all of their subscribers since they opened
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 14:15
Dazn will never turn a profit in the States. Never. They haven't even covered half of canelos fee for his 1 fight with all of their subscribers since they opened
Yup. Math doesn't lie. I wonder how much in losses they are prepared to take.
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The link didn't work, but if turned down $5 million, than he must be worried about drug testing, because that's the only reason I can think of for turning down that much dough.
oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 14:45
The link didn't work, but if turned down $5 million, than he must be worried about drug testing, because that's the only reason I can think of for turning down that much dough.
BoxRec does that to boxing scene links. Just replace BS with "boxing scene" (remove space).
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 14:48
BoxRec does that to boxing scene links. Just replace BS with "boxing scene" (remove space).
So the report also states that Hearn is expected to provide a counter offer, so the whole thing may just come down to what I first posted which was Ortiz putting the squeeze on. It can still happen.
Hearn is expected to make a counter-offer to Ortiz before finalizing a deal for Miller’s replacement.
KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 15:29
They turned down 10X his highest payday, when he is 40 years old and not in any mandatory position?
It's a duck. Plain and simple.
Poor Luis Ortiz
They are still in negotiations. Looks more like a squeeze.
oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 15:29
They are still in negotiations. Looks more like a squeeze.
Meh, if you wanted to be HW champ, beat the best guy, get 3/4 belts, earn life changing money, you would take it.
Eddie is the sort to drop Ortiz and move on.
Ortiz has been promised a rematch with Wilder- he better get that in writing, because it only came about after Hearn made the AJ offer. Wilders team don't want Ortiz to face AJ because it will make Wilder look bad when AJ blasts Ortiz out without a hint of the life and death Ortiz put Wilder through.
KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 15:36
Meh, if you wanted to be HW champ, beat the best guy, get 3/4 belts, earn life changing money, you would take it.
Eddie is the sort to drop Ortiz and move on.
Ortiz has been promised a rematch with Wilder- he better get that in writing, because it only came about after Hearn made the AJ offer. Wilders team don't want Ortiz to face AJ because it will make Wilder look bad when AJ blasts Ortiz out without a hint of the life and death Ortiz put Wilder through.
Reports are that Hearn is making a counteroffer. That's why I say it's a squeeze play. If he flat out turned down $5 Million with no chance? He's an idiot or a drug cheat, or both.
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 16:18
if these reports are true and ortiz doesnt end up accepting , he can go f@ck himself and never complain about being ducked again
He was never ducked. Dude bought himself out of GBP to suck in Europe for 2 fights. He's a wondering idiot, doesn't mean Eddie isn't lying.
Ortiz said a few weeks ago if Miller was to pull out then he would step in for whatever money was offered, Miller pulls out and Eddie offers him 5 mill which is 4.5 mill more than he took for Wilder, now all of a sudden he wants 10, he's another cheating fake bullshitting phoney like the majority of them
Can anyone remind me why Ortiz deserves more than 5 or even 1 mill? He's a cheating pudendum whos best win is Jennings, he doesn't even deserve a shot he should be grateful, i'd rather see Joshua pull some Apollo Creed stunt and give Dave Allen a shot than that cheating fcvker a crack
Kownacki is still a pup so I can understand him biding his time fair enough but as for the likes of Ortiz, Fury and Whyte, maybe they should all get juiced to the gills and fight each other and the winner can fight Miller to see who the biggest cheating fvckker in the division is
Anoyne who claims to be a fan of a promoter needs their head examined but i do find myself sticking up for Hearn because guys like Haymon are a cancer to the sport, the guys never done an interview in his life and has a track record of stopping great match ups from happening yet people are so quick to defend him
If Eddie is so full of sh1t then why wont anyone prove it, he's the most public promoter in boxing, will answer questions on any subject, ive never seen Finkle or Arum call his bluff, just a load of vague nonsense, people were certain Hearn/Joshua were ducking Wilder, they called his bluff and Wilder went running behind uncle Al
IF you don't like Eddies personality fair enough, totally understandable but if your a fan of boxing then how can you defend these other charlatans
As for people hating on Joshua, the guys box office excitement 99% of the time he fights and has a CV that blows the rest of the pretenders out the water, the only guys he hasn't faced are the ones proven to be ducking
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 16:24
He was never ducked. Dude bought himself out of GBP to suck in Europe for 2 fights. He's a wondering idiot, doesn't mean Eddie isn't lying.
handsofstone wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 16:28
Ortiz said a few weeks ago if Miller was to pull out then he would step in for whatever money was offered, Miller pulls out and Eddie offers him 5 mill which is 4.5 mill more than he took for Wilder, now all of a sudden he wants 10, he's another cheating fake bullshitting phoney like the majority of them
Can anyone remind me why Ortiz deserves more than 5 or even 1 mill? He's a cheating pudendum whos best win is Jennings, he doesn't even deserve a shot he should be grateful, i'd rather see Joshua pull some Apollo Creed stunt and give Dave Allen a shot than that cheating fcvker a crack
Kownacki is still a pup so I can understand him biding his time fair enough but as for the likes of Ortiz, Fury and Whyte, maybe they should all get juiced to the gills and fight each other and the winner can fight Miller to see who the biggest cheating fvckker in the division is
Anoyne who claims to be a fan of a promoter needs their head examined but i do find myself sticking up for Hearn because guys like Haymon are a cancer to the sport, the guys never done an interview in his life and has a track record of stopping great match ups from happening yet people are so quick to defend him
If Eddie is so full of sh1t then why wont anyone prove it, he's the most public promoter in boxing, will answer questions on any subject, ive never seen Finkle or Arum call his bluff, just a load of vague nonsense, people were certain Hearn/Joshua were ducking Wilder, they called his bluff and Wilder went running behind uncle Al
IF you don't like Eddies personality fair enough, totally understandable but if your a fan of boxing then how can you defend these other charlatans
As for people hating on Joshua, the guys box office excitement 99% of the time he fights and has a CV that blows the rest of the pretenders out the water, the only guys he hasn't faced are the ones proven to be ducking
ya a lot of truth here
dont get me wrong, i think ortiz is about as good as any of the contenders outside the top 3 guys, but he seems to be put on a pedestal way too much as if hes somehow a level above that
has a pretty middling list of wins for a 40 year old
