Poor Luis Ortiz

[oogiebe]

So you’re admitting to persistently lying?

You know what? If you promised to never come back, I'd admit to practically anything. Seriously though, I did either read or see in youtube Ortiz made somewhere in the vicinity of 1.2 to 2 million on the Wilder fight between purse and revenue sharing. I'm not going to spend time find it again, so if you really want to keep going,, you'll have to find it yourself. EiEiO.

[Enlightened-One]

You know what? If you promised to never come back, I'd admit to practically anything. Seriously though, I did either read or see in youtube Ortiz made somewhere in the vicinity of 1.2 to 2 million on the Wilder fight between purse and revenue sharing. I'm not going to spend time find it again, so if you really want to keep going,, you'll have to find it yourself. EiEiO.

There were two things you claimed - the first claim you won’t defend. You admitted to lying about the second one.

You can’t pretend to take the high road or pretend to making an honest mistake when you did that.

[oogiebe]

There were two things you claimed - the first, claim you won’t defend. You admitted to lying about the second one.

You can’t pretend to take the high road or pretend to making an honest mistake when you did that.

You are very hyper focused on this. Yet you haven't provided anything to refute my claims.

[Enlightened-One]

You are very hyper focused on this. Yet you haven't provided anything to refute my claims.

You’re asking me to prove that something doesn’t exist.

This isn't a religious debate between science and faith, since we’re discussing something that supposed to exist in the real world.

Two other form members, that you get on with, have also refuted your claims.

So you’ve been exposed as being a liar multiple times by multiple people, not just myself.

[oogiebe]

You’re asking me to prove that something doesn’t exist.

This isn't a religious debate between science and faith, since we’re discussing something that supposed to exist in the real world.

Two other form members, that you get on with, have also refuted your claims.

So you’ve been exposed as being a liar multiple times by multiple people, not just myself.

Sure pal.

[Enlightened-One]

A video has just been published of Eddie Hearn threatening Luis Ortiz by claiming that the Cuban actually declined an offer that exceeded $5m, which he claimed he could prove.

Hearn promised to expose Team Ortiz and all the other fighters that rejected Matchroom’s offers as soon as he’s able to confirm AJ’s next opponent.

[Nightmare Roy]

Take a while for a cycle to clear the system

[oogiebe]

A video has just been published of Eddie Hearn threatening Luis Ortiz by claiming that the Cuban actually declined an offer that exceeded $5m, which he claimed he could prove.

Hearn promised to expose Team Ortiz and all the other fighters that rejected Matchroom’s offers as soon as he’s able to confirm AJ’s next opponent.

Ortiz never denied declining a $5 million offer. I think it's been all over the board and internet that Ortiz asked for 10 Million after refusing the 5. It doesn't make Ortiz look very good, but not sure what exactly Eddeh is going to 'expose' beyond that.

[oogiebe]

Take a while for a cycle to clear the system

Good idea.

[Nondescript]

Because only nerds like us pay attention to this stuff. His problem is going to be using his stable to helplessly get American subscriptions while he alienates the UK fanbase that actually loves boxing

I think you've well and truly hit the nail on the head there.

[Enlightened-One]

Ortiz never denied declining a $5 million offer. I think it's been all over the board and internet that Ortiz asked for 10 Million after refusing the 5. It doesn't make Ortiz look very good, but not sure what exactly Eddeh is going to 'expose' beyond that.

Eddie Hearn told the SecondsOut YouTube channel that he will expose Team Ortiz’s lies next week. The Cuban was allegedly offered more than $5m. The Matchroom boss promised to prove his claims by showing his correspondences.

It is being alleged that Luis Ortiz lied about the size of the Matchroom offer.

We’ll find out if Eddie is a man of his word next week.

[oogiebe]

Eddie Hearn told the SecondsOut YouTube channel that he will expose Team Ortiz’s lies next week. The Cuban was allegedly offered more than $5m. The Matchroom boss promised to prove his claims by showing his correspondences.

It is being alleged that Luis Ortiz lied about the size of the Matchroom offer.

We’ll find out if Eddie is a man of his word next week.

It'll be interesting when all of this shakes out, including how much a new opponent will make. It's a hot mess.

[ewenhay]

Eddie Hearn told the SecondsOut YouTube channel that he will expose Team Ortiz’s lies next week. The Cuban was allegedly offered more than $5m. The Matchroom boss promised to prove his claims by showing his correspondences.

It is being alleged that Luis Ortiz lied about the size of the Matchroom offer.

We’ll find out if Eddie is a man of his word next week.

Eddie says a lot of things including saying that he would announce an opponent two days ago. It's all spin and conjecture as part of selling a product.

[Enlightened-One]

Eddie says a lot of things including saying that he would announce an opponent two days ago. It's all spin and conjecture as part of selling a product.

If he shows proof that can’t be refuted, then it won’t simply be conjecture.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I flatly refuse to believe that Eddie Hearn always lies, but he might put a positive spin on things sometimes.

[ewenhay]

If he shows proof that can’t be refuted, then it won’t simply be conjecture.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I flatly refuse to believe that Eddie Hearn always lies, but he might put a positive spin on things sometimes.

There's no way he'll show any proof when he practices non disclosure in his contract agreements. Think about it

[oogiebe]

Eddie says a lot of things including saying that he would announce an opponent two days ago. It's all spin and conjecture as part of selling a product.

I really don't give a fvck about this fight anymore. It'll be shvt and all of this slinging and bvllshvtting is smoke and mirrors by all parties involved. A circus sideshow. I'm sorry I gave it the attention I've already provided. For all we know, Hearn will make a counter and Ortiz will accept. Or not. We got Efe; Darmani Rock and Dubois this weekend. Wilder Breazeale in a couple of weeks...Makhumudov in three...Usyk in three or four. Much to watch and look forward to.

[oogiebe]

There's no way he'll show any proof when he practices non disclosure in his contract agreements. Think about it

He never has before, so why change now.

[tiny_acres]

If he shows proof that can’t be refuted, then it won’t simply be conjecture.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I flatly refuse to believe that Eddie Hearn always lies, but he might put a positive spin on things sometimes.

The words boxing promoter is Latin for lying through his teeth

[Enlightened-One]

There's no way he'll show any proof when he practices non disclosure in his contract agreements. Think about it

Non disclosure agreements are rarely used. The basics of the offer have to be accepted prior to progressing to the relevant stage of contract negotiations, since there’s nothing to negotiate if the basic terms of the offer isn’t remotely close to agreeable expectations.

You’re assuming things that may be disproven next week.

Rather than make assumptions, let’s just wait and see how things pan out.

Regardless, the first step of any offer being made is almost certainly not the agreement to sign a non-disclosure agreement - that’s just plain silly!

[ewenhay]

Non disclosure agreements are rarely used. The basics of the offer have to be accepted prior to progressing to the relevant stage of contract negotiations, since there’s nothing to negotiate if the basic terms of the offer isn’t remotely close to agreeable expectations.

You’re assuming things that may be disproven next week.

Rather than make assumptions, let’s just wait and see how things pan out.

Regardless, the first step of any offer being made is almost certainly not the agreement to sign a non-disclosure agreement - that’s just plain silly!

Im assuming no proof will surface. You're assuming it will.

History suggests Hearn is just shooting his mouth off

[ewenhay]

Non disclosure agreements are rarely used. The basics of the offer have to be accepted prior to progressing to the relevant stage of contract negotiations, since there’s nothing to negotiate if the basic terms of the offer isn’t remotely close to agreeable expectations.

You’re assuming things that may be disproven next week.

Rather than make assumptions, let’s just wait and see how things pan out.

Regardless, the first step of any offer being made is almost certainly not the agreement to sign a non-disclosure agreement - that’s just plain silly!

Non disclosure agreements are used in business outside formal contracts all the time. We often ask and are asked to sign them before sometimes very basic information is shared

[Enlightened-One]

Non disclosure agreements are used in business outside formal contracts all the time. We often ask and are asked to sign them before sometimes very basic information is shared

They’re not used all the time.

[Enlightened-One]

Im assuming no proof will surface. You're assuming it will.

History suggests Hearn is just shooting his mouth off

I am assuming nothing.

I am suggesting to refrain from jumping to all sorts of unnecessary and derogatory conclusions until next week, which will either confirm Eddie Hearn’s promises or it won’t.

Is that such an unreasonable approach to take?

[tiny_acres]

Non disclosure agreements are used in business outside formal contracts all the time. We often ask and are asked to sign them before sometimes very basic information is shared

The first thing you sign at an attorney office is a nondisclosure agreement.
I'm assuming a big time operator like Hearn has the same basic form he uses

[Onetimeonly]

Ask eo how many times canelo fought in 2018?