Jaime Munguia vs. Dennis Hogan - April 13, 2019

[Lairdy]

lol apparetly the dazn broadcasters have hogan winning going into the 12th?

Could well be upset of the year if that's the case.

[jamamb]

114-114
115-113
116-112

mung wins md. ppl complaining....

[jamamb]

mung is a beatdown ko loss and early burnout waiting to happen if he doesnt vastly improve his defense. moving up he prob wont be able to just bull guys either

[Lairdy]

114-114
115-113
116-112

mung wins md. ppl complaining....

As the old adage goes, "when fighting a Mexican in Mexico, you have to knock them out to get a draw"...

[jamamb]

funny, i think pip has gone on constantly about how mung can only improve at his age, but he looks to be going backward each fight. progressively less and less impressive since beating ali and now couldve easily have lost that deciion...

[Lairdy]

funny, i think pip has gone on constantly about how mung can only improve at his age, but he looks to be going backward each fight. progressively less and less impressive since beating ali and now couldve easily have lost that deciion...

Big fish in a small pond perhaps. Almost like the gym bully that blasts out much smaller and less experienced sparring partners, never tests himself at other gyms because he love's being "the boss", then gets smoked when he fights the big boys that can handle him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Jaime Munguia should consider himself very fortunate, if not downright lucky, to have retained his WBO junior middleweight title versus Dennis Hogan. While the three judges in Monterrey, Mexico, had him winning by scores of 114-114, 115-113 and 116-112, the majority of observers believe the challenger should have had his hands raised in victory.

For the time being, any discussion of the 22-year-old being in the mix with the elite at 154 and 160 pounds should be muted. On this night, he was troubled by the movement of Hogan, and in the late stages of the fight, when his size and strength were expected to take over, he faded down the stretch. Perhaps the strain of making 154 pounds had already caught up to Munguia.

"Truthfully, in my mind, as the (12th) round was coming to an end, I thought it might've been a draw," Munguia said. "I decided to come out in that last round and give it all and go for the victory."

While Munguia had a good last stanza, hurting Hogan a couple of times, you got the sense that it was the Irishman who had done the more effective work throughout, consistently beating Munguia to the punch and never really letting him settle for much of the night.

"He would never let me get into a rhythm," Munguia (33-0, 26 KOs) said. "But basically, we have to keep continuing our preparation."

After he struggled a bit in January versus Takeshi Inoue, who also took him the distance, it's clear that Munguia is still a work in progress.

"I learned a bit about getting frustrated in this fight, and that was one of the problems. Just like what happened the last time, and I think one of the things is I got a little bit tired, the issue with being 154, that could also be a problem," said Munguia, who said this could be his swan song in this division.

"It could be. Truthfully, we have to talk with my promoter. We'll see what happens," he said.

For Hogan, who came into this fight in peak physical condition and fought an intelligent, tactical fight, this was a bitter pill to swallow.

"I knew I won the fight. I know in my heart," Hogan said. "I'm so disappointed to train as hard as I did and for this to happen. I came here in good faith. I'm not going to disrespect anyone here, but apart from the people who scored it and allowed this decision to go through, everybody knows this is par for boxing."

Peter Khan, an adviser to Hogan's team, told ESPN, "We are 100 percent protesting (the decision), and we're requesting a mandated rematch."

Whether Hogan will get another crack at Munguia remains to be seen.

"Dennis Hogan won the fight. He just didn't get the title,'' Khan said.

"If they offered us a rematch, I'd accept it straightaway," Hogan said before it was known his camp would request a mandated rematch.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... tain-title

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hogan was pissed after the fight.

“They’re taking my family’s future away.”

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Golden Boy at it again same sh.t different fighter just like Canelo and the fraud victories

[Perseus]

The decision reasonably could have gone either way, this was no robbery.
I had it 114-114. Didn't have Munguia winning but didn't have Hogan going home with a belt either.
Good, entertaining fight imo.
I'll be surprised if Hogan gets another chance at Munguia, the kid will be moving to 160 soon. Hogan deserves a rematch but I doubt he gets one.
Maybe Hogan will get to fight for a vacant belt or fight Jeff Horn?

[Grant]

Jeff Horn would be a super fight down here. Or is that up here? Ive been watching too many Flat Earth docos on youtube

[Ruthless-RKO]

De La Hoya: Canelo vs. Munguia is Possible in The Future

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya believes that a future all-Mexican showdown between Canelo Alvarez and Jaime Munguia is certainly possible somewhere down the line.

According to the WBO rules, if Munguia moves up - as the 154 champion he would become the mandatory to the WBO's middleweight champion, who at the moment is Demetrius Andrade.

"The truth is that he is very ambitious and I like that about Munguía. He wants to fight with the best in the world. And when you are the best in the world like Canelo, and if you are a champion like Munguía, a fight like that has to be fought in the future," said De la Hoya to ESPN Deportes.

"If they are at the same weight, at 160 pounds, and if Munguía is crowned champion in that division, then there is no reason on why that fight can not take place. We'll see what happens, because Canelo is at the level where he wants to fight with world champions."

[Ruthless-RKO]

They landed within six punches of each other in 10 of 12 rounds. Uneven performance by Jaime Munguia, looking for the KO all night in front of his hometown fans. Munguia landed an avg. of 10 of 56 punches per round to 10 of 41 for Dennis Hogan, who appeared to land the harder punches all fight.

https://boxingnewsnow.com/jaime-munguia ... nch-stats/

[jamamb]

are you commentating for stevie wonder?....is there anyone who doesn't know this?

just to clarify; youre saying someone that fights with their face.....will take a lot of punches.....which will then led them to burn out from the punishment.....and that when he moves up a weight division(s) hes going to have less of a size advantage

that's some insightful stuff, keep that wisdom coming :)

nice pms btw

[SenorPipino]

They landed within six punches of each other in 10 of 12 rounds. Uneven performance by Jaime Munguia, looking for the KO all night in front of his hometown fans. Munguia landed an avg. of 10 of 56 punches per round to 10 of 41 for Dennis Hogan, who appeared to land the harder punches all fight.

https://boxingnewsnow.com/jaime-munguia ... nch-stats/

From what I saw, it was a very close fight.

Hogan had a 1 punch edge over 12. Landed more jabs. But Munguia had the greater number of power shots, and threw quite a few more punches.

You could give the fight to Hogan. I had it a draw.

But the punch stats refute the outcry over this decision being some sort of robbery.

That's a common, knee jerk reaction when a clear underdog does far better than expected.

Fans have a tendency to root for the guy who supposedly has little chance, and become angry when he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from judges.

But it was anything but a robbery. Just another close fight that went the way many preferred it didn't.

[jamamb]

compubox warriors!!! i know how much you loved those for ggg vs dj and canelo

'superstar' munguia needs a serious change of things going forward

[Ruthless-RKO]

Munguia-Hogan Had No Post-PED Tests, WBO To Review Scoring


In a stunning disclosure, there was a mishap with the local commission in Monterrey - and no post-fight drug testing had taken place.

Hogan and his handlers are protesting the scoring, and they are also protesting the lack of post-fight PED testing - and there are also claims that Hogan's cornermen were not provided with any chairs - but Munguia's handlers did have chairs in their corner.

WBO president Paco Valcárcel informed Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports that his organization will not order a rematch based on the lack of post-fight drug testing.

On the other hand, the WBO appears to be taking the scoring complaint seriously and plan to investigate the matter by having a independent panel of judges review the fight and score the contest - to see if their scorecards are in line with the final tallies of the judges who worked the fight.

“There was supposed to be testing. But the lab didn’t show up," Valcarcel said.

“We have to presume the guy [Munguia] was clean. He has no history of any issues. The testing should have been done, but the lab didn’t show up, so there was nothing that could be done.”

Hogan provided a statement to Yahoo Sports. He was stunned when nobody showed up to his dressing room to conduct a post-fight drug test.

“How can there be no drug testing after a world title fight?” Hogan said.

“This is 2019. I was waiting in the dressing room for one hour after the fight for the commission to come and check me and nobody turned up. This only adds more questions to what took place on Saturday night. Why is the promoter standing right behind a WBO supervisor during the fight and communicating with the corner? [Fight promoter] Fernando Beltrán offered me the rematch immediately. He said I deserve it. I want my rematch. I won that title.”

[Perseus]

Munguia-Hogan Had No Post-PED Tests, WBO To Review Scoring


In a stunning disclosure, there was a mishap with the local commission in Monterrey - and no post-fight drug testing had taken place.

Hogan and his handlers are protesting the scoring, and they are also protesting the lack of post-fight PED testing - and there are also claims that Hogan's cornermen were not provided with any chairs - but Munguia's handlers did have chairs in their corner.

WBO president Paco Valcárcel informed Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports that his organization will not order a rematch based on the lack of post-fight drug testing.

On the other hand, the WBO appears to be taking the scoring complaint seriously and plan to investigate the matter by having a independent panel of judges review the fight and score the contest - to see if their scorecards are in line with the final tallies of the judges who worked the fight.

“There was supposed to be testing. But the lab didn’t show up," Valcarcel said.

“We have to presume the guy [Munguia] was clean. He has no history of any issues. The testing should have been done, but the lab didn’t show up, so there was nothing that could be done.”

Hogan provided a statement to Yahoo Sports. He was stunned when nobody showed up to his dressing room to conduct a post-fight drug test.

“How can there be no drug testing after a world title fight?” Hogan said.

“This is 2019. I was waiting in the dressing room for one hour after the fight for the commission to come and check me and nobody turned up. This only adds more questions to what took place on Saturday night. Why is the promoter standing right behind a WBO supervisor during the fight and communicating with the corner? [Fight promoter] Fernando Beltrán offered me the rematch immediately. He said I deserve it. I want my rematch. I won that title.”

https://www.wboboxing.com/regulations/
Section 28
WBO defaults to the rules of the local commission for drug testing.
No sense in bothering the WBO with drug testing complaints.

So they're going to have a panel watch a replay on a screen somewhere and score it.
Yeah..........................watching a replay with a known result on a tv is EXACTLY the same as sitting ringside, looking up through the ropes to score a live fight.
I hope they at least get people who actually have sat ringside looking up through the ropes scoring a fight vs people who have never done that but somehow think watching on a tv is same thing.

[jamamb]

ya tv is a much superior view

[Perseus]

ya tv is a much superior view

Agree 100%

That's not how fights are OFFICIALLY scored though.

[Ruthless-RKO]

For the second time in less than two weeks, the World Boxing Organization has disagreed with Dennis Hogan—and public perception—of his deserving the decision and the super welterweight title.

An independent five-personal panel assigned to review the April 13 title fight between Hogan and defending champ Jaime Munguia—as per an official protest filed by Hogan’s team—produced the same results that came of their fight in Monterrey, Mexico. Munguia escaped with a majority decision win, which was upheld by the WBO upon further review.

“Be it resolved by the World Championship Boxing Committee that given (the review of the fight), it can be established that the results favor Jaime Munguia,” Luis Batista-Salas, chairman of WBO championship committee said in an official statement on Friday.

The fact that none of the three judges had him winning the contest didn’t sit well with Hogan’s handlers, whom filed an official complaint on April 16 with the WBO. The matter was promptly addressed, with the Puerto Rico-based sanctioning body immediately assigning a five-person team of trained ring officials to review the contest.

“[T] he WBO appointed five (5) anonymous, competent Judges from different countries (excluding Mexico and Australia), to watch the bout without audible distractions. [T]he results of these five (5) independent Judges’ scores were tabulated to clearly ascertain the rounds each fighter won using an average scale based on 60, 80 and 100 per cent. [T]hat means that 3 of the 5 officials have to agree to determine which fighter won the round.

“[T]he findings of the (5) stated that Munguia won the 3rd, the 5th and 6th by 100%; the 12th round by 80%; the 2nd, 7th and 9th rounds by 60%. Hogan won the 1st, 8th,10th and 11th by 100%; none in the 80%; the 4th round by 60. t can be established from the Judges’ scorecards that on the date of the bout Munguia won 7 rounds while Hogan won 5 rounds; and on the (5) independent Judges’ panel, Munguia also won 7 to 5.”

Hogan’s team also contended that Munguia’s corner was being fed scorecard results in between rounds. Such allegations weren’t addressed in the resolution released on Friday.

Even in the event that an independent scoring panel saw the bout drastically different from the fight night judges, the WBO—nor any sanctioning body—has the authority to overturn an official verdict unless provided evidence of corruption or wrongdoing. Most protests are filed generally with the hope of at least landing an immediate rematch.

Meanwhile, neither side has established an opponent for their next ring adventure. Hogan isn’t giving up hope for a rematch, and the WBO is at least keeping the door open for full peace of mind in the event that this latest ruling isn’t embraced.

“This is a final decision of the WBO World Championship Committee,” explained Batista. “The decision may be appealed to the Complaint and Grievance Committee, pursuant to WBO World Championship Section 34, which as per Rule 3(e) of the WBO Appeals Regulation, must be submitted in writing to the WBO President within fourteen (14) days of the date of this decision as its sole and exclusive remedy.”

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