-Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-

[Susej_SOG]

Man, this guy is, without a doubt, a top-5 P4P fighter.

Former WBO, WBC, WBA champion of the world.

#1 at flyweight.

#1 at super flyweight.

Two division champion of the world.

He avenged 2 of his 3 L with a master performance, as Lennox Lewis did.

First, he K.Od Sanchez Jr and then he schooled Sor Rungvisai.


Beat in world class performances Viloria and Sor Rungvisai, two guys that were P4P.

He went down 4 division to fight with a prime Roman Gonzalez and it was too competitive.

Then, Roman ducked the rematch when Juan was in a natural weight for him, when Juan was the king of the weight, he was the wba and wbo champion and Roman the wbc.

Roman said that he wanted 2 million to fight with Estrada.

Beat Segura, Melindo, Marquez, Cuadras, Sanchez Jr, Viloria, Sor Rungvisai.

7 former champions of the world.

He, of fact, has a better career than Crawford, Loma, and GGG.

[jamamb]

does he rank above spence too?

[Ricky]

pitta patta puncher, not top 10.

[Susej_SOG]

does he rank above spence too?

Easy.

Spence is not better than Estrada, as a boxer, only in power, and his best win is Brook, that is not better than Viloria, for give you an example.

pitta patta puncher, not top 10.

According to who?

He is, easy, in a top-5.

I explained this ,read.

[Susej_SOG]

The guy is an artist.

It was a shame the terrible problems with injuries, he had a lot of surgeries.

And now he is in his prime, like he was when beat Viloria, Segura, Melindo, Marquez, and after that, he had the problems with his right hand.

Of fact, in this fight he had problems with his right hand since round 2.

[Onetimeonly]

Mexiwrong? That you?

[Susej_SOG]

Mexiwrong? That you?

Méxihater? That you?

I said the truth.

My argument is solid.

I'm analizyng skills, rivals (opposition), better wins, better achievements.

And Estrada is better than most of the guys in top-5.

The best win of Crawford is a small and out of prime Gamboa lol

The best win of Usyk is ????

GGG only had two good names and struggled so bad.

Estrada avanged 2 of his 3 L's and has wins against P4P fighters.

And he took a lot of risks like went down 4 pounds to fight Román González.

GGG never took a risk like this.

Deal with this but I'm saying the truth.

[kbackup408]

he is indeed an elite fighter, these lighter fighters get no credit.

the p4p list is very subjective, you will rarely have a list which matches with others!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Top 10.

SSR was ranked top 10.. Not top 5.

Estrada is Elite.

If he can defeat another top 5 ranked Super Flyweight, then we can talk about top 5.

But I'd rather he fight Nietes than Kal Yafai.

[Ricky]

he is indeed an elite fighter, these lighter fighters get no credit.

the p4p list is very subjective, you will rarely have a list which matches with others!

They don't get credit because so few of them have ko ability; that's what made Roman & Wsngek fun. There's such less variance in style below 135 than there is above it, imo. Much of these fights are decided upon who's quicker and sharper. Estrada bored me last night, it was like scoring an amatuer bout. He was beating Wangek to the punch but with shots that would barely budge a heavy bag. Even Mikey Garcia - whom I'm not mad about & is coming off a loss- is well ahead of Estrada on my p4p.

[Boxing Prospect]

Top 10 yes. Top 5... Maybe
Loma, Usyk, Inoue and Crawford in some order, make up the top 4 for me.

From there it's a bit of a mess. Does Estrada have a better record than Nietes or Tanaka or Alvarez or Hurd, or even Pacquiao? LSC gets a lot of stick, but in terms of wins his resume is a pretty solid one, just a shame his recent opposition is letting him down

[Boxing Prospect]

They don't get credit because so few of them have ko ability; that's what made Roman & Wsngek fun. There's such less variance in style below 135 than there is above it, imo. Much of these fights are decided upon who's quicker and sharper. Estrada bored me last night, it was like scoring an amatuer bout. He was beating Wangek to the punch but with shots that would barely budge a heavy bag. Even Mikey Garcia - whom I'm not mad about & is coming off a loss- is well ahead of Estrada on my p4p.

What an absolute load of shit dude.

The lower divisions right now have so many punchers and contrasting styles. 108 has hars hitters like Canizales, Alvarado, Kyoguchi (not a 1 punch puncher but still hard hitting), Taconing, Loreto and Acosta to go with stylists like Kenshiro

112 recently had Higa destroying guys
115 had Roman, Srisaket
Inoue bridging 108-118
Nery is a whacker
Parrenas and Loreto might have been crude but both hold a real whack

Saludar is an anomaly at 105 right now but brutal puncher 105 has a lack of variation right now, but he's a big banger

[Fightnight Scores]

What an absolute load of poo dude.

The lower divisions right now have so many punchers and contrasting styles. 108 has hars hitters like Canizales, Alvarado, Kyoguchi (not a 1 punch puncher but still hard hitting), Taconing, Loreto and Acosta to go with stylists like Kenshiro

112 recently had Higa destroying guys
115 had Roman, Srisaket
Inoue bridging 108-118
Nery is a whacker
Parrenas and Loreto might have been crude but both hold a real whack

Saludar is an anomaly at 105 right now but brutal puncher 105 has a lack of variation right now, but he's a big banger

I think RKY is talking in general terms, and not being critical. Those names are all exceptions to a pretty general rule that the smaller guys tend not score big knockouts for the most part. And this, generally, is why there is less interest in them than the higher weights. Viewing figures and the money they make indicates this I'd say.

[kbackup408]

They don't get credit because so few of them have ko ability; that's what made Roman & Wsngek fun. There's such less variance in style below 135 than there is above it, imo. Much of these fights are decided upon who's quicker and sharper. Estrada bored me last night, it was like scoring an amatuer bout. He was beating Wangek to the punch but with shots that would barely budge a heavy bag. Even Mikey Garcia - whom I'm not mad about & is coming off a loss- is well ahead of Estrada on my p4p.

Yes, very good point about the KO ability (instantly when you have a fighter under 135lb KO'ing people gets notice).

If I am brutally honest I rarely ever think/look at the P4P list it is all fantasy more interested where these fighters are in their own weight classes !

[Boxing Prospect]

I think RKY is talking in general terms, and not being critical. Those names are all exceptions to a pretty general rule that the smaller guys tend not score big knockouts for the most part. And this, generally, is why there is less interest in them than the higher weights. Viewing figures and the money they make indicates this I'd say.

The pretty general rule is one that really isn't right either. The little guys do score big knockouts, but they do so away from a Western audience, which also leads to your other point. A guy like Ioka draws a TV audience that any one would dream of getting, his bouts on TBS are incredible rating draws.

BUT that interest is pretty much in his homeland, and I think that plays a big factor in the perceived lower interest. If top Flyweight (and I mean a TOP Flyweight not a Charlie Edwards or Kal Yafai title holder) was from the West, spoke English etc they'd have more interested than the "Johnny Foreigner with a hard name". They are being tucked away off TV and not given the chance to connect with fans.

The divisions would have more interest if fans were able to watch them, and the lower weights would have a big service done to them if they were used on cards as broadcast openers in well matched bouts.

As with every division, there is a case of good match making playing to the strengths of the fighters involved, and when it comes to the smaller weight men in the west, we don't see them matched well and this is a huge shame.

[Fightnight Scores]

BUT that interest is pretty much in his homeland, and I think that plays a big factor in the perceived lower interest. If top Flyweight (and I mean a TOP Flyweight not a Charlie Edwards or Kal Yafai title holder) was from the West, spoke English etc they'd have more interested than the "Johnny Foreigner with a hard name". They are being tucked away off TV and not given the chance to connect with fans.

..when it comes to the smaller weight men in the west, we don't see them matched well and this is a huge shame.

I don't disagree with all this, the little guys give us some of the best action and there are a load of asian fights we miss out on in the west through sheer ignorance.

[Ricky]

I think RKY is talking in general terms, and not being critical. Those names are all exceptions to a pretty general rule that the smaller guys tend not score big knockouts for the most part. And this, generally, is why there is less interest in them than the higher weights. Viewing figures and the money they make indicates this I'd say.

Like i said; when guys are getting knockouts down at the low weight classed, they standout more, because statistically KOs are more rare down there.

[Susej_SOG]

Top 10 yes. Top 5... Maybe
Loma, Usyk, Inoue and Crawford in some order, make up the top 4 for me.

It does not matter what you and me can say, you need to put arguments to this, how I did.

Usyk?

Man, this guy is fighting with B or C class fighters from Island, Croatia, etc, he does not have any rival of world class level.



Crawford? He best win is a small Gamboa, his second best win is Postol, no way in H they are better than a prime Viloria or Sor, of fact, Cuadras was better than Postol.

Inoue has the ceil but right now he does not deserve it.

Loma lost against Salido, but he is a great champion, good career, no doubt about him, he deserved a top-3.

But Estrada is in the top-5.

He does not have media or much power selling tickets and moving the social media, but the truth is the truth

[Susej_SOG]

Top 10.

SSR was ranked top 10.. Not top 5.

Estrada is Elite.

If he can defeat another top 5 ranked Super Flyweight, then we can talk about top 5.

But I'd rather he fight Nietes than Kal Yafai.

Ranked by who?

But the same clowns of the media that said that GGG was the better of the world when only had a good and close win against Jacobs?

Man, the media is not the truth.

Estrada did, right now, more than Crawford, Usyk, GGG and Spence, easssssy.

[Susej_SOG]

They don't get credit because so few of them have ko ability; that's what made Roman & Wsngek fun. There's such less variance in style below 135 than there is above it, imo. Much of these fights are decided upon who's quicker and sharper. Estrada bored me last night, it was like scoring an amatuer bout. He was beating Wangek to the punch but with shots that would barely budge a heavy bag. Even Mikey Garcia - whom I'm not mad about & is coming off a loss- is well ahead of Estrada on my p4p.

False, completely false.

You does not know about what are you saying and I go to explain you.

First.

The Klitschko were one of the most boring fighters in history and they made millions.

Calzaghe too.

Ward and Floyd (in welter) were fighters without power.

In smallweights are a lot of power punches, right now and the history said this, a lot of wars and tremendous fighters with skills and great talent.

This is boxing, not a contest of weight or height, or power punch (I recomend you the bare knuckles fights).

What matter right now in boxing is how money you can produce, how you move the social media (look what is happening with a kid like Ryan Garcia, and he did not do anything in the sport).


Except the fighters from Japan or a guy like Sor Rungvisai than is an idol in his country (Gonzalez was too) , they were friends of their president in Thailand and Nicaragua, most of fighters from Asia and Mexico are not famous in their countries, that's the reasin why they can't generate millions.

Estrada is not a famous athlete in México, being one of the best boxer in the world, people here is more soccer fans than boxing fans.

And if you was bored watching the boxing clinic of Juan, you are not able to see the art that is this sport.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Estrada did, right now, more than Crawford, Usyk, GGG and Spence, easssssy.

Definitely NOT Usyk.

[Susej_SOG]

The reality is this:

U.K, Europe in general, USA, does not have much fighters below the 126 pounds.

They control the media and the press, the bigger events of boxing.

That's the reason why these great fighters does not have the attention than they deserves.

[Susej_SOG]

Definitely NOT Usyk.

Man, I respect your opinion but put arguments in the table, this gonna be funny.

[Ricky]

False, completely false.

You does not know about what are you saying and I go to explain you.

First.

The Klitschko were one of the most boring fighters in history and they made millions.

Calzaghe too.

Ward and Floyd (in welter) were fighters without power.

In smallweights are a lot of power punches, right now and the history said this, a lot of wars and tremendous fighters with skills and great talent.

This is boxing, not a contest of weight or height, or power punch (I recomend you the bare knuckles fights).

What matter right now in boxing is how money you can produce, how you move the social media (look what is happening with a kid like Ryan Garcia, and he did not do anything in the sport).


Except the fighters from Japan or a guy like Sor Rungvisai than is an idol in his country (Gonzalez was too) , they were friends of their president in Thailand and Nicaragua, most of fighters from Asia and Mexico are not famous in their countries, that's the reasin why they can't generate millions.

Estrada is not a famous athlete in México, being one of the best boxer in the world, people here is more soccer fans than boxing fans.

And if you was bored watching the boxing clinic of Juan, you are not able to see the art that is this sport.

Painful reading.

[Susej_SOG]

Painful reading.

You does not have arguments.

What you said is totally false.

Wlad, Calzaghe, Floyd (147 version), the Klitschko brothers, the lack of power was present in all of them, and they were making millions.

So, don't talk about what you don't know.

And this is not a contest of power, height, weight, whatever, is boxing.