Evander Holifield coming back again!!!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 14:05

I've been reading that Evander is planning to fight again in July.... am I the only person thats disturbed by this?.... what does Evander need to go through before he realises its over!..... any opinons?...

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 24 May 2006, 14:18

Maybe to be put in a Coma or even Killed!!!!!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 24 May 2006, 14:22

Very worrying indeed.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 14:32

I do really feel with Evander that he's willing to pay the ultimate price, he's dismissed most of his entourage because they were against him fighting again and has said that if someone in his corner starts worrying about him getting hurt then their gone... I just hope he doesnt get a liscence... though theres not much chance of that really....
Two guys that really worry me are Evander and Wayne Mcculocgh... though Evander is further down the road wayne is begining to go in the direction imo... how many title fights does he have to lose!??...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 May 2006, 14:51

are you saying that his skills are no longer what they ought to be? Someone has to be number 376 in the HW division...he may be just the man.

Don't get me wrong I'm not callous, I'm just honoring him...he's not a kid in diapers...he's just a guy who wants to continue doing something that I would grant you is above his pay grade at this point in life. But I do him a better service (in my estmation) by letting him do something foolish than taking over the "daddy and mommy" role and tell him he can't.

I think I'd rather worry about the tens of thousands of old drivers that are on our roads that are killing people because they fart and scare themselves so bad they cause a traffic accident, than a few fighters that are only going to hurt themselves with their decision.

Maybe if we can get the "old drivers crises" solved we can come back and address this "fighters getting too old to rumble" crises.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 15:01

BoxBuzz wrote:are you saying that his skills are no longer what they ought to be? Someone has to be number 376 in the HW division...he may be just the man.

Don't get me wrong I'm not callous, I'm just honoring him...he's not a kid in diapers...he's just a guy who wants to continue doing something that I would grant you is above his pay grade at this point in life. But I do him a better service (in my estmation) by letting him do something foolish than taking over the "daddy and mommy" role and tell him he can't.

I think I'd rather worry about the tens of thousands of old drivers that are on our roads that are killing people because they fart and scare themselves so bad they cause a traffic accident, than a few fighters that are only going to hurt themselves with their decision.

Maybe if we can get the "old drivers crises" solved we can come back and address this "fighters getting too old to rumble" crises.

But difference is you don't get brain damage just by driving you car (unless you have a bad accident). Boxers who fight on too long end up disabled, look at Benitez, Chacon, Page, Quarry... quite often some of the physical skills are still there but the body and especially the brain has taken too much. Benitez and Chacon won the majority of their last fights but are in bad shape now.
I don't want to read stories in ten years time about Evander needing a map to remind him where he lives...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 15:05

BoxBuzz wrote:are you saying that his skills are no longer what they ought to be? Someone has to be number 376 in the HW division...he may be just the man.

Don't get me wrong I'm not callous, I'm just honoring him...he's not a kid in diapers...he's just a guy who wants to continue doing something that I would grant you is above his pay grade at this point in life. But I do him a better service (in my estmation) by letting him do something foolish than taking over the "daddy and mommy" role and tell him he can't.

I think I'd rather worry about the tens of thousands of old drivers that are on our roads that are killing people because they fart and scare themselves so bad they cause a traffic accident, than a few fighters that are only going to hurt themselves with their decision.

Maybe if we can get the "old drivers crises" solved we can come back and address this "fighters getting too old to rumble" crises.

I think generally older drivers are the safest on the roads.... its the teenagers and 20 somethings that are the most dangerous drivers and this is usually borne out in accident statistics...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 May 2006, 15:07

I'm talkin the REAL GOLDEN oldies here....the folks that are basically driving their coffin around.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 24 May 2006, 16:02

Holyfield's comeback can only end in tears. I guess the big fella upstairs has told him that he can still be the undisputed champion again, like he also told him that he can father 237 kids with 225 different mothers or whatever his current score is.....

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 24 May 2006, 17:15

..holyfield has been in denial for years. the only thing that is going to stop him is when he can no longer make money for the promoters who kep using him. i can't see any tv market for him and that's where the money is....so maybe economics will do what his own psyche won't.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 17:58

I hope so, but there is always the worry that if all else fails we may be treated to Holifield vs Tyson 3 or Holifield vs Bowe 4.... :x

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 May 2006, 18:09

Silkov...could you be the one to tell Evander to stop? I mean would you "sign the paper" if you could that would stop him? I know you want to keep these heroes alive and kickin (I do too) but that's not what he wants for himself obviously. I get the sentiment but could you do the deed? and would you? I really have this thing about freedom that tells me it would not be right for me to tell him what is best for him....even if I know it to be a fact! You know he would hate you and now you've become the "daddy". Over a man who simply wants to take more risks than you want him to take. I've come to peace with my stand on this and it's sort of a version of "tough love". If he wants to join the punch drunk crowd I'm going to let him....sadly, with reservations and maybe I would take a stab at trying persuasion...but that's as far as I would go.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 18:28

BoxBuzz wrote:Silkov...could you be the one to tell Evander to stop? I mean would you "sign the paper" if you could that would stop him? I know you want to keep these heroes alive and kickin (I do too) but that's not what he wants for himself obviously. I get the sentiment but could you do the deed? and would you? I really have this thing about freedom that tells me it would not be right for me to tell him what is best for him....even if I know it to be a fact! You know he would hate you and now you've become the "daddy". Over a man who simply wants to take more risks than you want him to take. I've come to peace with my stand on this and it's sort of a version of "tough love". If he wants to join the punch drunk crowd I'm going to let him....sadly, with reservations and maybe I would take a stab at trying persuasion...but that's as far as I would go.

I know what you're saying about freedom and its a tough one... its like saying would you stop Bobby Chacon having his last couple of fights, maybe even the Limon 4 and Boza 2 fights... if it meant he'd be healthy today and I don't think I'd stop him having those fights, but then it may be partly a selfish viewpoint as those are probably my favourite fights of all time. But the thing with Holifield is that its very very unlikely that he'll be able to pick up any titles now even in the present climate, so forcing him to quit won't rob him of a last taste of glory like it would have with Bobby. The problem with fighters like Holifield and Chacon etc is that they can only feel really happy when theyre in the ring and I can sympathize with that but over the years I've seen far too many fighters having health problems after they belatedly retire and so I think there has to be a time when enough is enough... surely the fact that 99% of Evanders old entourage has gone tells us that they don't want to be associated with this comeback... and that doesn't really bode well for him in the ring. Also what worries me is that if he has someone in his corner who he has expressly told not to pull him out of a fight etc then there is more of a chance that he will get hurt...

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 24 May 2006, 18:51

I agree with Buzz - if Holyfield wants to make a fool of himnself or get hurt this is his choice. Noone takes him seriously as a boxer any more anyway. Of course it's sad to see a great go down this road, but again -he's a grown up.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 May 2006, 19:05

pundit wrote:I agree with Buzz - if Holyfield wants to make a fool of himnself or get hurt this is his choice. Noone takes him seriously as a boxer any more anyway. Of course it's sad to see a great go down this road, but again -he's a grown up.

Yeah but if you really care about the well being of someone then sometimes you have to save them from themselves... just like you'd try and stop a alcoholic from drinking no matter how old they are.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 25 May 2006, 13:42

silkov wrote:Two guys that really worry me are Evander and Wayne Mcculocgh... though Evander is further down the road wayne is begining to go in the direction imo... how many title fights does he have to lose!??...

Would you add Gatti to that list?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 May 2006, 14:17

KOJOE90 wrote:
silkov wrote:Two guys that really worry me are Evander and Wayne Mcculocgh... though Evander is further down the road wayne is begining to go in the direction imo... how many title fights does he have to lose!??...
Would you add Gatti to that list?

Well, he doesn't seem to have vastly lost his skills... he's certainly taken a lot of punishment in his career but I think his people are keeping an eye on him... I wouldnt like to see him take anymore beatings like he did against Mayweather. I'm hoping he's just going to have one or two more fights before quitting. What do you think about Gatti...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 May 2006, 14:21

One of the things about Holifield is that he's been struggling really since the first Bowe fight!.... and thats like 14 years ago... people were calling for him to retire back then... then there was the Moorer defeat, then Bowe 3... he kept coming back after being written off but realistically Evander should have retired after the Lewis fights which really for me showed that he just didnt have the pace or speed anymore....

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 May 2006, 16:35

slippery slope that "deciding for others" stuff. Should we convene a meeting of the "wise council" of BoxRec to decide these fighters fate? Perhaps informing them of their fate by Western Union? I don't want to be present when they get the news, just in case we were wrong and they happen to have plenty of fight left in them.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 May 2006, 16:42

BoxBuzz wrote:slippery slope that "deciding for others" stuff. Should we convene a meeting of the "wise council" of BoxRec to decide these fighters fate? Perhaps informing them of their fate by Western Union? I don't want to be present when they get the news, just in case we were wrong and they happen to have plenty of fight left in them.

Yeah but the difference between Gatti and Holifield is that Gatti is 35 while Evander is 43... the older you get the more dangerous boxing gets... look at Greg Page and Jerry Quarry... if Gatti had lost 3 in a row then I'd say he should quit but despite being outclassed by Mayweather he looked ok in his last fight despite a broken hand... I still give him a chance against Baldomir...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 May 2006, 17:32

Ok silkov you've convinced me, now kindly send me all your money from this point on since my job can be dangerous and I'm getting older. I'm giving my notice now and am resting assured that my income will remain stable as you take over my future financial responsiblities.

I will PM you my new address in the Bahamas. And thank you for your kind concern. Oh....Evander wants to know if you can peel off a small percentage for him. Which is fine by me as long as it does not impact my income.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 26 May 2006, 13:06

silkov wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:slippery slope that "deciding for others" stuff. Should we convene a meeting of the "wise council" of BoxRec to decide these fighters fate? Perhaps informing them of their fate by Western Union? I don't want to be present when they get the news, just in case we were wrong and they happen to have plenty of fight left in them.
Yeah but the difference between Gatti and Holifield is that Gatti is 35 while Evander is 43... the older you get the more dangerous boxing gets... look at Greg Page and Jerry Quarry... if Gatti had lost 3 in a row then I'd say he should quit but despite being outclassed by Mayweather he looked ok in his last fight despite a broken hand... I still give him a chance against Baldomir...

What is it with boxing ? Why is it so addictive ? Is it the sounds & smell of the gym? Is it that when you get into superb concition & the endorphins kick in you still feel like you can lick the world, even if the world is 25 & you're 43. Is it the fame & money ? Do you still have the drive it takes to reach the top , or do you just fool yourself into believing it's true ? Perhaps the answer is a seniors tour, like in golf or the Allan cup
for senior hockey? Foreman vs. Holmes for the WBA/IBF/WBC Geriatric
Heavyweight title? Lordy, Lordy, just get me on that noon balloon to Saskatoon?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 May 2006, 14:16

The attention has to be addictive that and the money....when your the champ the media buzzes around you like flies.....when it's all over the creditors fly around you like buzzards.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 26 May 2006, 14:47

Its funny that the only heavyweight that wants to unify is well beyond his prime.

Trent · Post by **Trent** » 27 May 2006, 21:06

No way in the world should he beable to fight. Buz you talk about freedom and stuff, but obviously in the world we live in we need to have rules to stop the human race from making decisions in life that can hurt us and each other. For example it is law that we dont take drugs, drive a car without a seat belt, wear a helmet.. all these rules are put into place to protect our own health from our own stupidity.. the same should go for boxing. It is obvious that people have been hurt from boxing on for to long.. if i had the power to ban holy from the ring, i would not resitate, because obviously he is a man not fit to make rational decisions.

Evander Holifield coming back again!!!

Evander Holifield coming back again!!!

Evander Holyfield