Poor Luis Ortiz

Why did Ortiz Turn It Down?

Poll ended at 28 Apr 2019, 17:34

Low-ball Offer
14
21%
Afraid of Drug Testing
21
31%
Scared to fight AJ
5
7%
PBC said don't do it
14
21%
PBC wanting to keep WBC Belt in house
4
6%
There was never an offer
7
10%
Other?
2
3%
 
Total votes: 67

oogiebe
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by oogiebe »

Enlightened-One wrote: 27 Apr 2019, 19:31 Only the manager is responsible for protecting the interests of the fighter.

This is clearly detailed in the federal law Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act.

This is not something new. Luis Ortiz and his manager shouldn’t be looking for scapegoats.
Not sure what your point is as it relates to my post, but I don't agree with what you say here.
Enlightened-One
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by Enlightened-One »

oogiebe wrote: 27 Apr 2019, 19:33 Not sure what your point is as it relates to my post, but I don't agree with what you say here.
The point I’m making is that luis Ortiz’s manager is blaming the negotiating tactics of the promoter. However, the promoter isn’t responsible for negotiating the terms of the bouts for fighters.

No one is willing to admit to fûckîng up Luis Ortiz’s bout against AJ. Everyone is blaming someone else.

When Luis Ortiz initially blamed Eddie Hearn for submitting a lowball offer, far too many people were eager to aggressively criticise the British promoter.

Now that the blame clearly falls squarely on Team Ortiz’s shoulders, everyone is actively looking for excuses to avoid blaming ‘King Kong’ Ortiz or his manager, which is obviously wrong.

The very next time someone rejects a Matchroom offer, the blame will fall on Eddie Hearn’s shoulders, because many others won’t admit to the type of conduct that Jay Jiminez admitted to.
boxing_rocks
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by boxing_rocks »

Hearn said that Cuban's manager rejected his offer of $7 mil.
Paci
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by Paci »

boxing_rocks wrote: 02 May 2019, 01:17 Hearn said that Cuban's manager rejected his offer of $7 mil.
Wow... why? Dumb... plain stupid dumbass. 7 mil??? Wow...
candyslim
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by candyslim »

Because that nice Mr. Haymon is going to pay him the same money for fighting wilder.

Well when I say the same money it's more or less the same money, it's only going to be missing a zero and everybody knows a zero is nothing, right?
greg
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by greg »

..don't know if Ortiz is poor, but he's definitely 7 million dollars poorER...
oogiebe
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

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greg wrote: 02 May 2019, 09:03 ..don't know if Ortiz is poor, but he's definitely 7 million dollars poorER...
:lol:
Ilya Muromets
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by Ilya Muromets »

candyslim wrote: 02 May 2019, 08:57 Because that nice Mr. Haymon is going to pay him the same money for fighting wilder.

Well when I say the same money it's more or less the same money, it's only going to be missing a zero and everybody knows a zero is nothing, right?


"A" zero. One zero? All the worthless zeroes. "You don nid those stinkin zeroes, Luis!" Ortiz has handlers who are bad men. If he had good handlers they would have been all over the ring throwing folding chairs like WWE wrestlers when Wilder's handlers, who are good men - good in the sense that they protect - overprotect - him, pulled that ring doctor and referee lady and donkey act in round 8 of their fight.
Onetimeonly
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by Onetimeonly »

I bet he gets 2.5 million. Wilder is much more winnable.
candyslim
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by candyslim »

That's true but he lost to him last time and I doubt that he's got any better since then. If you're likely going to lose anyway you might as well maximize your earnings, especially if it's almost certainly going to be your first and last multi-million dollar payday. Hmmmn 2.5m or 7m dollars ... duh, now let me think :doh:

He should be kicking himself or kicking someone !
oogiebe
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by oogiebe »

candyslim wrote: 02 May 2019, 13:52 That's true but he lost to him last time and I doubt that he's got any better since then. If you're likely going to lose anyway you might as well maximize your earnings, especially if it's almost certainly going to be your first and last multi-million dollar payday. Hmmmn 2.5m or 7m dollars ... duh, now let me think :doh:

He should be kicking himself or kicking someone !
This whole story makes no sense, per your comparison of the monies involved.
candyslim
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by candyslim »

Yeah I daresay it'll be a substantial improvement on last time but it's going to be nearer to 500k than 7m that's for sure.

Thankfully it's no crime to be stupid or Luis would be doing 5 years minimum .
oogiebe
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Re: Poor Luis Ortiz

Post by oogiebe »

candyslim wrote: 02 May 2019, 14:09 Yeah I daresay it'll be a substantial improvement on last time but it's going to be nearer to 500k than 7m that's for sure.

Thankfully it's no crime to be stupid or Luis would be doing 5 years minimum .
:lol:
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