Who deserves a bigger split percentage between Spence and Crawford ? Who is the bigger 'draw' ?

[leejonesjnr]

And that's the problem and the reason why UFC is dominating

Boxing is still many many times larger in every way than UFC.

[IKSRTFO]

Boxing is still many many times larger in every way than UFC.

Sure, but it will be on the downturn as long as we the fans make excuses for crap like this. In the larger scheme of things, we are the customers and should get the best product possible. UFC understands this.

[Onetimeonly]

Boxing is still many many times larger in every way than UFC.

Not in the states it isn't. It's many many times lesser.

[Onetimeonly]

Sure, but it will be on the downturn as long as we the fans make excuses for crap like this. In the larger scheme of things, we are the customers and should get the best product possible. UFC understands this.

Look at ESPN, they paid the UFC 1.5 billion dollars. Their fights are front cover, boxing is staving off wwe at 14th on the list of their sports, below the WNBA!

[IKSRTFO]

Look at ESPN, they paid the UFC 1.5 billion dollars. Their fights are front cover, boxing is staving off wwe at 14th on the list of their sports, below the WNBA!

A start would be to stop selling us stars against 10 percent chancers just to demostrate what the stars can do.

It kinda reminds me of wrestling's Monday Night Wars when WCW decided not to have their stars wrestle against jobbers and forced WWF to follow suit.

[Onetimeonly]

A start would be to stop selling us stars against 10 percent chancers just to demostrate what the stars can do.

It kinda reminds me of wrestling's Monday Night Wars when WCW decided not to have their stars wrestle against jobbers and forced WWF to follow suit.

Wcw blew it when they started repeating nitro right after it ended. People started watching raw as a warm up and realized it was better. Spot on the UFC match ups are miles better and it also plays to the low attention span. I still think great boxing, rare as it is, is better but bad boxing is way worse because it's longer.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Did anyone care what Dempsey got when he fought Willard what about Marciano v any of them 49 opponent's did anyone care who got how much $$$$$ what did Floyd get against Liston in them 2 first round's defeats and did anyone care what Pep got in all them fight's with Sandy I doubt it I could not care who got what split of the $$$$$ its the BIGGEST blight on the game this bullsh.t the A-side what an over used sentence that is.

[leejonesjnr]

Not in the states it isn't. It's many many times lesser.

Nope.
Perhaps one day, but certainly not even close yet.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Not in the states it isn't. It's many many times lesser.

You know even in the UK, there are a lot people I know that would rather stay up to watch UFC after midnight than boxing.

[leejonesjnr]

You know even in the UK, there are a lot people I know that would rather stay up to watch ESPN after midnight than boxing.

Super. I’m sure that there are plenty of social groups that can say the same, however that doesn’t reflect the larger picture.
There are many many many more boxing promotions than there are UFC shows, there are televised boxing events every week around the world and the number of people watching boxing live and on TV is many times greater than the number of people watching UFC.
Boxing attracts more money, boxers are paid more money, boxers are more recognisable or ‘famous’ to the general public.
I don’t agree with the boxing v MMA idea that many people seem to have, one doesn’t have to ‘lose’, they are separate sports. Tennis doesn’t have to lose so that F1 can prosper.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Super. I’m sure that there are plenty of social groups that can say the same, however that doesn’t reflect the larger picture.
There are many many many more boxing promotions than there are UFC shows, there are televised boxing events every week around the world and the number of people watching boxing live and on TV is many times greater than the number of people watching UFC.
Boxing attracts more money, boxers are paid more money, boxers are more recognisable or ‘famous’ to the general public.
I don’t agree with the boxing v MMA idea that many people seem to have, one doesn’t have to ‘lose’, they are separate sports. Tennis doesn’t have to lose so that F1 can prosper.

Yeh. As a whole boxing is and always will be bigger overall.

Yeh, viewership are not what they used to be, but the popularity is still there. And you’re right.

After every wrong/controversial decision or bullshît stoppages, fans go mad, but they will still tune in.

Many boxing fans called the May-MAC a big farce. But they all still watched it. Who wants to be left out of the conversations the next morning when everyone is talking about it online or at work/school etc.

[Ruthless-RKO]

When UFC got more mainstream attention, I remember I used to be on a Wrestling forum and a lot of posters used to say it will take over WWE because UFC is real wrestling and WWE is scripted. No one really compared it to boxing back then.

[Thomastearns]

Yeh. As a whole boxing is and always will be bigger overall.

Yeh, viewership are not what they used to be, but the popularity is still there. And you’re right.

After every wrong/controversial decision or bullshît stoppages, fans go mad, but they will still tune in.

Many boxing fans called the May-MAC a big farce. But they all still watched it. Who wants to be left out of the conversations the next morning when everyone is talking about it online or at work/school etc.

Yes they did, but many never returned. Pity it was a crushing disappointment - a key opportunity wasted.

Best wishes to DAZN - make boxing great again.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yes they did, but many never returned. Pity it was a crushing disappointment - a key opportunity wasted.

Best wishes to DAZN - make boxing great again.

DAZN really need to Vegas to pull through and be fair. Canelo and Jacobs are splitting a $48m purse for this.

If the judges screw it up, who’s gonna wanna watch Canelo on DAZN. I don’t care is Canelo wins, even if it’s close. As long as it’s fair.

[Onetimeonly]

Nope.
Perhaps one day, but certainly not even close yet.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact, but you're certainly entitled to be dead wrong. Ignorance is bliss, and you're one blissful dude.

[Onetimeonly]

You know even in the UK, there are a lot people I know that would rather stay up to watch UFC after midnight than boxing.

Its a better product. Most weekends I watch the boxing on tape. I'd be shocked if it's bigger there, it's much bigger here. I've never got the scorned boxing fan attitude that feels they have to fight the power. Lol, golf is way bigger than boxing too and nobody tries to deny that.

[leejonesjnr]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact, but you're certainly entitled to be dead wrong. Ignorance is bliss, and you're one blissful dude.

No, yours is an opinion and it is incorrect. Your perception may be that UFC is bigger than boxing and you may prefer it, however...

In 2018 there were 24 UFC events in the USA.
I stopped counting boxing events when I got to 300 and I wasn't past May. There are currently 92 events scheduled on BoxRec between now and the end of August in the USA.
Boxing is small sport in comparison to many others but it is many times larger than the UFC.
More shows are televised.
More people watch live.
Boxers earn more money.

[IKSRTFO]

Did anyone care what Dempsey got when he fought Willard what about Marciano v any of them 49 opponent's did anyone care who got how much $$$$$ what did Floyd get against Liston in them 2 first round's defeats and did anyone care what Pep got in all them fight's with Sandy I doubt it I could not care who got what split of the $$$$$ its the BIGGEST blight on the game this bullsh.t the A-side what an over used sentence that is.

Spot on.

Even though to promoters and fighters, yes I understand it do matters but it irks me to see fans get into that. Fans should want to see the best fights available, not make excuses on why it isn't happening based on $$$. That isn't our place.

[Onetimeonly]

No, yours is an opinion and it is incorrect. Your perception may be that UFC is bigger than boxing and you may prefer it, however...

In 2018 there were 24 UFC events in the USA.
I stopped counting boxing events when I got to 300 and I wasn't past May. There are currently 92 events scheduled on BoxRec between now and the end of August in the USA.
Boxing is small sport in comparison to many others but it is many times larger than the UFC.
More shows are televised.
More people watch live.
Boxers earn more money.

Mma is more popular. The UFC isn't the only organization,. But I'm not surprised you think it is as you're clueless. ESPN paid the UFC 1.5 billion dollars. Their fights are front page. I thought you lived in the UK? If you live in the States you're exactly the type of idiot I described. If boxing was anywhere near as popular dazn wouldn't have less subscribers after all these months than the worst UFC ppv.

[IKSRTFO]

No, yours is an opinion and it is incorrect. Your perception may be that UFC is bigger than boxing and you may prefer it, however...

In 2018 there were 24 UFC events in the USA.
I stopped counting boxing events when I got to 300 and I wasn't past May. There are currently 92 events scheduled on BoxRec between now and the end of August in the USA.
Boxing is small sport in comparison to many others but it is many times larger than the UFC.
More shows are televised.
More people watch live.
Boxers earn more money.

Where you went wrong is you only used UFC events. How many MMA events were there? And I guarantee there's more MMA gyms than boxing gyms now.

[Onetimeonly]

Where you went wrong is you only used UFC events. How many MMA events were there?

He went wrong commenting on something he knows nothing about. That's never a good idea.

[leejonesjnr]

Mma is more popular. The UFC isn't the only organization,. But I'm not surprised you think it is as you're clueless. ESPN paid the UFC 1.5 billion dollars. Their fights are front page. I thought you lived in the UK? If you live in the States you're exactly the type of idiot I described. If boxing was anywhere near as popular dazn wouldn't have less subscribers after all these months than the worst UFC ppv.

The UFC is the only organisation under discussion.
This whole side conversation came from a post stating that UFC is dominating.
That said, I haven't done the research to KNOW but I would be confident stating that including all MMA, boxing is still bigger.

[leejonesjnr]

Where you went wrong is you only used UFC events. How many MMA events were there? And I guarantee there's more MMA gyms than boxing gyms now.

No, I only used UFC events as that is what is under discussion.

[Onetimeonly]

The UFC is the only organisation under discussion.
This whole side conversation came from a post stating that UFC is dominating.
That said, I haven't done the research to KNOW but I would be confident stating that including all MMA, boxing is still bigger.

It isn't even close. Only someone without a clue would think that. The amount of shows isn't relevant to mainstream popularity. Just look at ESPN. Anyway, you're a good poster just way outside of your depth here.

[IKSRTFO]

The UFC is the only organisation under discussion.
This whole side conversation came from a post stating that UFC is dominating.
That said, I haven't done the research to KNOW but I would be confident stating that including all MMA, boxing is still bigger.

Okay, then let's compare UFC to PBC. That's fair. PBC won't even match their best fighter(Spence) with other fighters from their stable at and around his weight class.