Today's version of Canelo versus the prime Mayweather Jr. (at 154lbs)?

[paddy chavez]

Its really none of my business Mate but the question is a Prime and at Jr Middle.

That's what I'm getting at canelo prime isn't @ 154 he's a much better fighter @ 160..

Anyway I rewatched some of their fight Last night and Floyd was just on another level to canelo and I think canelo could come in @170 to Floyd's 145 and Floyd would still win

[kbackup408]

That's what I'm getting at canelo prime isn't @ 154 he's a much better fighter @ 160..

Anyway I rewatched some of their fight Last night and Floyd was just on another level to canelo and I think canelo could come in @170 to Floyd's 145 and Floyd would still win

^ end of argument - think most people who have watched Mayweather will agree with that

[candyslim]

No version of Canelo beats a prime Floyd.. Not even the current version at 160. Canelo is great and very skilled, but aside from power and strength Floyd pretty much Trump's him in all other categories.

Agreed.

[cfang]

Can't stand Floyd but he beats any version of canelo. He won pretty much every round. You need a different type of fighter to beat Floyd. Really fast hands are everything against floyd and canelo doesn't have them. You need a hearns or Leonard really. Or a peak PAC.

[Enlightened-One]

Out of interest, the Golovkin-Canelo rematch was incredibly close, but with 86% of people favouring Mayweather Jr. to be capable of beating the current iteration of the Mexican, does this automatically mean that the prime version of Money May would also beat GGG at 154lbs?

After all, it’s not as if Gennadiy and his team repeatedly didn’t repeatedly claim that to be capable and willing to have faced Floyd Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs.

Don’t read too much into this post – I thought I’d ask a cheeky and provocative question to test the waters.

[ewenhay]

Out of interest, the Golovkin-Canelo rematch was incredibly close, but with 86% of people favouring Mayweather Jr. to be capable of beating the current iteration of the Mexican, does this automatically mean that the prime version of Money May would also beat GGG at 154lbs?

After all, it’s not as if Gennadiy and his team repeatedly didn’t repeatedly claim that to be capable and willing to have faced Floyd Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs.

Don’t read too much into this post – I thought I’d ask a cheeky and provocative question to test the waters.

Different styles. I think Golovkin would have been a harder night for Mayweather than Alvarez. Even at the 154 weight. He presses the fight more than Alvarez.

But Golovkin is predictable enough to have been outpointed by Mayweather if he didn't land enough shots to make a dent in Mayweather

[ClivePatrickLyons]

That's what I'm getting at canelo prime isn't @ 154 he's a much better fighter @ 160..

Anyway I rewatched some of their fight Last night and Floyd was just on another level to canelo and I think canelo could come in @170 to Floyd's 145 and Floyd would still win

True

[Cyclops]

Different styles. I think Golovkin would have been a harder night for Mayweather than Alvarez. Even at the 154 weight. He presses the fight more than Alvarez.

But Golovkin is predictable enough to have been outpointed by Mayweather if he didn't land enough shots to make a dent in Mayweather

But that was a prime GGG when he was saying he would come down for Mayweather. We all know Canelo dodged and swerved GGG until he had noticeably lost a step in his fight against Jacobs. Old GGG now at a catchweight would be in serious trouble against Mayweather in his prime. If we’re talking about when it was actually a possibility, Floyd wasn’t into taking the best challenges and was ready to bow out, while GGG was prime and looking like a beast. I’d be backing Golovkin back then and if Floyd beat him that would have been a fantastic win.

[Enlightened-One]

We all know Canelo dodged and swerved GGG until he had noticeably lost a step in his fight against Jacobs.

Tom Loeffler could have offered the GGG fight to Canelo, but he didn’t. No one from K2 contacted GBP or any of the Mexican’s handlers to initiate contract negotiations. Golovkin could have had legitimate reasons to claim that Alvarez had previously “ducked” him, if there had been an actual offer for Canelo to reject, but there wasn’t.

Why do people keep believing that GGG was “ducked” by many of his peers when there’s almost no evidence of K2 making any financial offers to various marquee names that were subsequently rejected?

You might believe otherwise, but the lack of evidence to support your stance almost certainly undermines your opinion. It’s simply a widely-held common misconception based on faith alone, but it’s important to note that we’re not discussing some sort of religious deity here. There should be some proof of Loeffler’s offers to GGG’s rivals, but nobody from this forum has been able to find any yet… and believe me, they’ve tried.

Why does everyone think that Golovkin’s rivals are automatically obliged to make him an offer instead of the other way around?

We also know that Golovkin could have faced Canelo much earlier on in his career, but he refused to consider any catchweight stipulations. Interestingly though, Gennadiy and his team said they were willing to face the likes of Mayweather Jr., Ward and Carl Froch at catchweights. In fact, GGG’s next bout has a catchweight.

Put it this way, I’ve called out Golovkin many times on this forum, but I haven’t submitted any financial offers to his handlers and I haven’t received any sort of communications from his team, so does that mean GGG’s “ducking” me or am I simply making noise?

If you choose to apply your personal rules and standards consistently, it seems that “we all know GGG dodged and swerved” me.

[Nightmare Roy]

Mayweather still works him out after a couple of rounds and wins a clear UD, well it won’t be clear one judge would score it for Canelo or a draw

[danconnollyeire]

- Ignoring the nonsensical thread title, it's sweet to see moneyfraud sissies in a group hug. Only thing missing is Barney and the inability to use the greatest collection of boxing data in history, so I give you relevant timeline developments of Canelo vs Floyd.

Age 15 Canelo beats the 19 yr old future LW champ, and 2 years later repeats, both at JrWelt. TUE still in AMA diapers.

A series of 147 lb fights for Canelo, but age 19 enters into a series of 150 lb catchweights starting with Cotto's contender brother and ending with TUE sparmate/ex champ Ndou and stealing Magic Hatton from TUE who's still in AMA diapers.

Canelo age 20 beats Ring #5 Ryan Rhodes for 154 belt and ends that weight class with unification with udefeated Trout. TUE age 21 beats Hernadez in his last bout for 130 lb bauble with maybe 5 defenses before moving up to 140 at age 28 for Gatti and Sharmba Mitchell.

Age 28 Canelo beats Golovkin at 160, #5 Fielding at 168, and Jacobs at 160, all title fights as he lands the richest sports contract in history as bean counters proclaim.

TUE still Pretty Boy making peanuts. Now Canelo still has 9 tough fights left on his contract and could still have setbacks, but we ain't never gonna see him run squallin' for his daddy like TUE did for Maidana and the aborted build up for the Tenshin Banty exhibition.

Btw, Manny signed a promo agreement with that outfit, so we could potentially see that rematch and more in a few years,

Are you feeling ok?

[Cyclops]

If you choose to apply your personal rules and standards consistently, it seems that “we all know GGG dodged and swerved” me.

You're absolutely right. By my logic you are somehow involved. Brilliant.