WBC Final Eliminator Ordered: Whyte vs. Fury?

[Enlightened-One]

"Dillian Whyte vs Tyson Fury: WBC reveal plan to order fight as decider for Deontay Wilder’s next mandatory, but Whyte’s team reject ruling"

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman has revealed that they want to order Dillian Whyte vs Tyson Fury as a final eliminator to determine Deontay Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

However, this bout seems unlikely to happen as Whyte’s side have not accepted this ruling and their ongoing dispute with the governing body continues.

The Brixton man’s team were outraged earlier this year as he was initially ordered to face Dominic Breazeale in a final eliminator for the WBC ‘interim’ title, only for this bout to be pulled out from under his feet.

When the Wilder vs Fury rematch fell through, Breazeale jumped up to challenge the champion on May 18 instead – because he was existing mandatory having beaten Eric Molina in a questionable final eliminator back in 2017.

As a result, Whyte’s team claim the WBC have ‘protected’ Wilder and are now campaigning to make him automatic mandatory, though the governing body have other ideas.

Sulaiman explained to ThaBoxingVoice: “When that fight [Wilder vs Fury rematch] falls through, the WBC goes back to the original mandate from the convention, saying that the winner or Wilder vs Fury has to do the mandatory against Breazeale.

“So we go back to then, and then we order Whyte against Fury – if both win their corresponding fights – for the mandatory position.

“And that position was not accepted by Whyte, so the WBC is now handling Dillian Whyte’s appeal and we will resolve it in the coming weeks.

“His petition to the WBC is to be made mandatory contender without fighting a final elimination.

“The WBC’s position was to order him and Fury to fight for the ‘interim’ title and for the mandatory position.

“So we are trying to do several big fights – I’m sure that Whyte vs Fury is a huge fight as well – to create these great fights in the heavyweight division.

Another option suggested by Whyte’s promoter Eddie Hearn was to make his upcoming fight with Oscar Rivas on July 20 the new final eliminator.

“That’s a request they have made,” confirmed Sulaiman, “We officially received that request today.

“And that’s in the hands of the ‘Board of Governors’ and, for your information, the ‘Board of Governors’ is 34 reputable, honourable men from all over the world.

“They vote and they decide the future of each division.”

Thoughts?

[Onetimeonly]

Wilder must be forcing whyte not to accept behind the scenes. That's the only plausible reason as we all know deontay fears whyte more than any man.

[joshj909]

“And that’s in the hands of the ‘Board of Governors’ and, for your information, the ‘Board of Governors’ is 34 reputable, honourable men from all over the world.

“They vote and they decide the future of each division.”[/i]

Thoughts?

No

[Enlightened-One]

The WBC continue doing their upmost to prevent their highest-ranked contender from gaining a title shot opportunity. A fighter that has already engaged in one of their title eliminators, but they keep putting up more obstacles for him to overcome.

The head-honchos at the WBC surely realise that a bout between Fury and Whyte is unlikely to happen, due to TV network rivalry issues. They’ve clearly resorted to employing delaying tactics.

Deontay Wilder is an Al Haymon fighter and the WBC keep allowing him to face his fellow PBC stablemates (i.e. Bermane Stiverne (twice), Eric Molina, Artur Szpilka, Chris Arreola, Gerald Washington, Luis Ortiz and Dominic Breazeale) or network free agents (i.e. Johann Duhaupas and Tyson Fury).

The WBC seem to be doing their upmost to prevent the possibility of their title from changing hands to a fighter associated with Matchroom, with the notable exception being Anthony Joshua.

[Finkel]

ThaBoxingVoice?
Makes sense for the WBC president to be talking to them about two British fighters...

I wonder if they share mutual acquaintances
(Cough) financial backers (cough)

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The WBC continue doing their upmost to prevent their highest-ranked contender from gaining a title shot opportunity. A fighter that has already engaged in one of their title eliminators, but they keep putting up more obstacles for him to overcome.

The head-honchos at the WBC surely realise that a bout between Fury and Whyte is unlikely to happen, due to TV network rivalry issues. They’ve clearly resorted to employing delaying tactics.

Deontay Wilder is an Al Haymon fighter and the WBC keep allowing him to face his fellow PBC stablemates (i.e. Bermane Stiverne (twice), Eric Molina, Artur Szpilka, Chris Arreola, Gerald Washington, Luis Ortiz and Dominic Breazeale) or network free agents (i.e. Johann Duhaupas and Tyson Fury).

The WBC seem to be doing their upmost to prevent the possibility of their title from changing hands to a fighter associated with Matchroom, with the notable exception being Anthony Joshua.

Whyte hasn't competed in a final eliminator though, that's the issue. Breazeales fight against Molina was a final eliminator I believe.

[oogiebe]

Whyte hasn't competed in a final eliminator though, that's the issue. Breazeales fight against Molina was a final eliminator I believe.

He has the best resume among the top hw's over the last several years. He's more than fought his way to a title shot and adding 'eliminators' is just a means of delay. Breazeale/Molina? WBC bs.

[Enlightened-One]

Whyte hasn't competed in a final eliminator though, that's the issue. Breazeales fight against Molina was a final eliminator I believe.

The first Chisora fight was definitely a WBC title eliminator, which is what I said. I don't know if it was a final eliminator though. Apparently there's a difference, but I'm not sure what it is and how it affects a fighter that has been the WBC's highest ranked title challenger for approaching two years, whilst having defeated several of their top-rated contenders.

If you remember a couple of years ago, the WBC passed over Whyte, when they ordered a bout between Dominic Breazeale and Eric Molina (both with Al Haymon) to determine Deontay Wilder’s mandatory challenger.

When the WBC initially ordered the bout between Breazeale and Molina, both the press and Eddie Hearn challenged their assertion that it was a “final” eliminator and the WBC issued a press release saying that it was “an unfortunate error”, as it was just an eliminator, but this didn't prevent them from elevating the winner of that fight to becoming Deontay Wilder's mandatory challenger.

At the time, Breazeale was ranked sixth by the WBC with Molina down in 12th, but Whyte was rated above both men (in third – behind two other Al Haymon fighters).

The two Al Haymon fighters that were previously rated above Whyte, when the Breazeale-Molina eliminator was announced (Stiverne & Ortiz), have both subsequently received their world title shots, without having to compete in final eliminators.

So why does the WBC insist on ordering world title bouts between their champion (an Al Haymon fighter) and their challengers (who are fellow Al Haymon stablemates), whilst refraining from granting a title opportunity to Dillian Whyte?

[Finkel]

Even Chisora would beat Wilder nowadays, there's a reason Wilder refused to fight him when he got the chance.

Povetkin should have won the WBC title, Whyte should have, Fury should have, nobody can take this belt serious any more as long as they keep giving it to Wilder and keep giving him mandatories that clearly aren't remotely close near competative to anyone that should have had this belt ages ago.

That seems a bit of an exaggeration, but its clearly about the money.

Wilder is easily the most interesting of the American heavy weights and so would draw the most potential viewers in an eventual unification with Joshua.
America v UK

They have no intention of letting that opportunity disappear

[jamamb]

Whyte hasn't competed in a final eliminator though, that's the issue. Breazeales fight against Molina was a final eliminator I believe.

which was laughable that they made the wbc #6 vs #12 or 13 a final elimintator

[joshj909]

Whyte hasn't competed in a final eliminator though, that's the issue. Breazeales fight against Molina was a final eliminator I believe.

Depending on the script...

[gilgamesh]

Hasn't Whyte already won like 2 Eliminators and supposed to have been one of the top contenders for a while now? I don't get this.

Among contenders Whyte has done more than anybody else to deserve a shot by a wide margin. I don't think he has any real shot against any of the titleholders, but he's earned his chance to try to prove me wrong.

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Depending on the script...

Fair point. I don't feel too sorry for Whyte and Hearn though. Hearn himself has been very good at getting his fighters ranked in a position which doesn't seem particularly fitting. I mean was Crolla really the best guy in the WBA rankings who could have fought Lomachenko?

[Enlightened-One]

Fair point. I don't feel too sorry for Whyte and Hearn though. Hearn himself has been very good at getting his fighters ranked in a position which doesn't seem particularly fitting. I mean was Crolla really the best guy in the WBA rankings who could have fought Lomachenko?

Dillian Whyte is not involved in Anthony Crolla's career. The 'Body Snatcher' isn't signed with Matchroom. He only has a fight-by-fight relationship with them. Dillian has fought many of the big names.

He has a better resume than any of the guys Wilder and Joshua has defended their titles against, barring Klitschko.

You don't feel sorry for Whyte, but why exactly is that? He doesn't run Matchroom and doesn't even have a contract with them. So bearing that in mind, what on earth are you talking about?

[jamamb]

the 'other side' will often say 'lol whyte shouldve fought ortiz like ordered then'

[oogiebe]

the 'other side' will often say 'lol whyte shouldve fought ortiz like ordered then'

There really isn't another side, or shouldn't be. Whyte has more then fought himself into a title shot. More than anyone else.

[marvelous marv]

Stiverne and Molina are with Don King but I am pretty sure you already know that.

[ironbeard]

Whyte will just have to wait his turn; Schwarz and Charr are up.

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Dillian Whyte is not involved in Anthony Crolla's career. The 'Body Snatcher' isn't signed with Matchroom. He only has a fight-by-fight relationship with them. Dillian has fought many of the big names.

He has a better resume than any of the guys Wilder and Joshua has defended their titles against, barring Klitschko.

You don't feel sorry for Whyte, but why exactly is that? He doesn't run Matchroom and doesn't even have a contract with them. So bearing that in mind, what on earth are you talking about?

Oh cmon EO, don't play dumb. Whyte might fight on a fight by fight basis with matchroom, but we both know he has a very close relationship with them.

Despite being on a fight by fight contract with the company, what other promoters shows has he been on, or what other promoters has he been promoted by during that time period?

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, you make a valid point regarding Whyte not being responsible for Crolla receiving favourable treatment from the WBA, as a result of Matchroom's close ties with the sanctioning body.

However, to be frank, people overstate Whytes list of wins and make out like he's fought a bunch of killers! The best win he has is Parker. Other than that, his two best wins are Lucas Browne, who is shot to shit and just got knocked out by a guy who up to now hasn't proven himself good enough to even win a commonwealth title in Dave Allen, and then you have Chisora. The same Chisora who is very hit and miss and who only a year and half ago or so lost a European heavyweight title fight. Before that he was outboxed in more impressive fashion by Pulev.

People keep making out that Whyte has fought and beaten this incredible list of opponents but he actually hasn't.

Breazeale for instance has beaten Ugonoh who was unbeaten before fighting Breazeale and being quite highly hyped at the time and even Molina isn't that far away from the likes of Chisora and co. In fact id still pick the current version of Molina to beat the current version of Browne.

[jamamb]

i rate chisora well above molina, ya chis lost a super close to kabayel but ffs molina got starched in like 90 seonds by tits arreola. and dropped by tony grano. and held to an md by jamal woods, etc.

chis x2, parker, helenius , and browne isnt a murder row but its quite a strong recent resume compared to the other contenders. and if whyte also beats rivas it adds another bit of good value to his record.

[joshj909]

Breazeale for instance has beaten Ugonoh who was unbeaten before fighting Breazeale and being quite highly hyped at the time and even Molina isn't that far away from the likes of Chisora and co. In fact id still pick the current version of Molina to beat the current version of Browne.

Your hypocrisy is amazing. Ugonoh was unbeaten but has beat nobody. Browne was unbeaten and had beaten Chagaev (in Russia of all places). Browne was a fairly unknown quantity with many people on this forum predicting a KO win for him, which in hindsight looks stupid but at the time was harder to predict.

No version of Molina beats any version of Chisora. He especially doesn't KO the version of Chisora we saw in the second fight.

His win over Helenius is also overlooked by it was boring and uneventful. Helenius has as many top 50 wins as anyone Breazealle has ever beat.

Then comes Parker. That's the best win since Wlad retired by anyone not named Joshua, and maybe Wilder depending on how you judge Ortiz. You can't overlook this to make your point.

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Your hypocrisy is amazing. Ugonoh was unbeaten but has beat nobody. Browne was unbeaten and had beaten Chagaev (in Russia of all places). Browne was a fairly unknown quantity with many people on this forum predicting a KO win for him, which in hindsight looks stupid but at the time was harder to predict.

No version of Molina beats any version of Chisora. He especially doesn't KO the version of Chisora we saw in the second fight.

His win over Helenius is also overlooked by it was boring and uneventful. Helenius has as many top 50 wins as anyone Breazealle has ever beat.

Then comes Parker. That's the best win since Wlad retired by anyone not named Joshua, and maybe Wilder depending on how you judge Ortiz. You can't overlook this to make your point.

Browne is washed up as proven by his knockout loss to Allen.

Regarding Molina, I never said he would beat Chisora, I said I'd still pick him to beat Browne though.

Helenius was a legitimately good prospect like 8 years ago, but has looked distinctly mediocre since. Context is important. It's alright saying well this fighter has beaten these guys who have these wins, but if those wins were ages ago, and that fighter is no longer the figher he once was, it doesn't really mean anything.

Parker is also one of the most overrated fighters out there. I mean who are his two best wins? Ruiz who has never beaten anyone of significance and Takam who is a good heavyweight, but still short of the top guys in the division.

Regarding Ugonoh, I wasn't saying hes some amazing fighter, but he was highly hyped by a lot of people going into that Breazeale fight and a lot of people were picking him to beat Breazeale.

Anyway my ultimate argument isn't that Breazeale is some amazing, deserving talent, but just that people overstate the wins that Whyte has. People making out that Parker, Browne and Chisora are a bunch of killers when they're not.

Parker in particular is seriously overrated based on his actual wins to date.

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This about sums it up-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.worldb ... ained/amp/

[jamamb]

This about sums it up-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.worldb ... ained/amp/

breazeale vs molina was ordered before ortiz vs whyte

and lol even if it wasnt, how does the wbc end up skipping down to 6 vs 13, the article says fury and ortiz for some reason werent able to fight, but how the eff does that lead all the way down to molina lol, weak justification

[Nondescript]

breazeale vs molina was ordered before ortiz vs whyte

and lol even if it wasnt, how does the wbc end up skipping down to 6 vs 13, the article says fury and ortiz for some reason werent able to fight, but how the eff does that lead all the way down to molina lol, weak justification

Why didn't Whyte fight Ortiz in that final eliminator though? Also why did he pull out of the final eliminator to fight Pulev for the mandatory in the IBF rankings. Let's not pretend that he's not had opportunities to be fight in final eliminators. He has, and he's pulled out for more money.

Now of course more money is good, but if you lose out on a shot because of that, you can't complain too much about it.