Who's better defensively? BJS or Canelo

[lazboy]

Canelo in my mind is no doubt the more complete fighter whereas BJS is the touted defensive whizz.

I feel BJS is lighter on his feet and is more adept at judging range, he rarely throws a punch out of range whereas Canelo can swing and miss, at times. However Canelo has the superior head movement in my opinion.

But who do you think is the better defender.

[Cent0089]

Canelos upper body movement is almost Mayweather-level now. He is very responsible at defense. BJS has superior feet movement. BJS can cause a lot of problems to Alvarez but he will get beating from GGG. Styles makes fights

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo is very good defensively, but Saunders is vastly superior in this area. However, the Mexican has the edge in most other aspects, such as experience, calibre of opposition, offence (i.e. varierty of combinations), power, adaptability (he can trade or box) etc. I would say that Billy Joe is the busier fighter and possesses the better engine. And that's because he doesn't load up and throw explosive combinations. The Brit just lets his hands go and looks for point scoring shots rather than damaging blows.

Anyway, back on topic, Saunders is better defensively than Canelo.

[chuck9788]

Saunders definitely has better footwork ability. In fact, I'd say that footwork is probably Canelo's greatest weakness.

[JohnMcMinn]

I would go with Canelo, because he has to defend himself against top opponents like GGG and Jacobs. BJS of course looks great against the Shefats of the world. I would have to see BJS fight some of the best to really compare the two.

[chuck9788]

BJS of course looks great against the Shefats of the world. I would have to see BJS fight some of the best to really compare the two.

David Lemieux is offensively very gifted. Versus BJS he couldn't land a thing.

[Susej_SOG]

Canelo.

GGG missed 1000 punches in both fights against Canelo.

Jacobs only was able to land 20% of his punches against Canelo.

Canelo's defense is better, he has a lot of skills and he is proven with super elite opposition.

¿Saunders?

Probably Lee landed more clean punches against Saunders than Jacobs against Canelo.

People is overrating Saunders, in crazy way.

Dude is fighting with nothing but bums.

Lemieux lost by K.O against Rubio.

Lee lost by K.O against Chávez JR.

Eubank is trash too.


Saunders is not proven, you can look impressive when you are fighting this kind of trash rivals.

Rungvisai looked like a monster and then Estrada schooled him easily.

David Lemieux is offensively very gifted. Versus BJS he couldn't land a thing.

Lemieux?

Is predectible, slow, unidimensional, only depends of his left hook.

No man, he is not very gifted, he is a B class fighter.

Very gifted offensively GGG, Román González, Sor Rungvisai, Luis Nery, Inoue, Lomachenko, Gervonta Davis.

[JohnMcMinn]

David Lemieux is offensively very gifted. Versus BJS he couldn't land a thing.

He's talented but nowhere near the level of Canelo's elite opponents.

[Susej_SOG]

[Susej_SOG]

He's talented but nowhere near the level of Canelo's elite opponents.

He is a B class fighter.

What is his best win?

Man, Rubio K.Od Rubio.

[Susej_SOG]

Canelo is very good defensively, but Saunders is vastly superior in this area. However, the Mexican has the edge in most other aspects, such as experience, calibre of opposition, offence (i.e. varierty of combinations), power, adaptability (he can trade or box) etc. I would say that Billy Joe is the busier fighter and possesses the better engine. And that's because he doesn't load up and throw explosive combinations. The Brit just lets his hands go and looks for point scoring shots rather than damaging blows.

Anyway, back on topic, Saunders is better defensively than Canelo.

Nope, Canelo is vastly superior in defensive skills than Saunders.

Your opinion does not count.

GGG missed 1000 punches against Canelo in both fights.

Canelo defense is better and more complete, he can put pressure with defensive responsability.

And Saunders fought with bums, only.

Canelo showed great defensive skills against super elite opposition and he still improving.

Saunders only has faster footwork, nothing more and he is not proven in high level fights.

It's unfair compare.

Saunders wont be able to go 12 rounds against Benavídez, Ramírez or Smith.

He is not proven, stop overrating this man, he has 30 years old or more and his best win is a guy that was K.O'd by Marco Antonio Rubio.

Thats the truth.

[JohnMcMinn]

He is a B class fighter.

I don't disagree with this. I don't think he's a bad fighter at all, just not elite.

[Susej_SOG]

[ValMar]

He is a B class fighter.

What is his best win?

Man, Rubio K.Od Rubio.

He is between B+ and A- (for me, of course), but his defense is excellent.

[Susej_SOG]

He is between B+ and A- (for me, of course), but his defense is excellent.

I'm talking about Lemieux.

Saunders is a good fighter but nothing great, he is one level down of Jacobs level.

And well, he did not anything special in his career to talk like he is some máster of boxing.

But I know british fans love overhype their fighters.

It's a cycle.

[ValMar]

I'm talking about Lemieux.

Saunders is a good fighter but nothing great, he is one level down of Jacobs level.

And well, he did not anything special in his career to talk like he is some máster of boxing.

But I know british fans love overhype their fighters.

It's a cycle.

I apologize, it was a misunderstanding.
The most overhyped UK fighter since 2000 is Kell Brook, definitely.
I agree about Sanders, he is a good, but not a great. Anyway, his skill-set is very decent.

[Enlightened-One]

Nope, Canelo is vastly superior in defensive skills than Saunders.

Your opinion does not count.

GGG missed 1000 punches against Canelo in both fights.

Canelo defense is better and more complete, he can put pressure with defensive responsability.

And Saunders fought with bums, only.

Canelo showed great defensive skills against super elite opposition and he still improving.

Saunders only has faster footwork, nothing more and he is not proven in high level fights.

It's unfair compare.

Saunders wont be able to go 12 rounds against Benavídez, Ramírez or Smith.

He is not proven, stop overrating this man, he has 30 years old or more and his best win is a guy that was K.O'd by Marco Antonio Rubio.

Thats the truth.

The truth is that GBP decided against allowing Canelo to face Saunders on two occasions. Eric Gomez went so far as to claim they don’t want Alvarez to go anywhere near the Brit.

And for the record, I don’t overrate Billy Joe, but I do find it strange that he’s been blatantly ducked so often. And there has to be legitimate reasons for this.

My opinion counts, because unlike you, I have a proven track record of supporting my claims with evidence, rather doing what you do, which is to resort to insults as your primary debating tactic.

[Ricky]

Saunders is garbage. A paid-up member of the Bum of the Month club, his record is embarrassingly bad. He was a giant at MW and found success in running away from smaller guys. Awful puncher, not that hard to hit.

[Enlightened-One]

Saunders is garbage. A paid-up member of the Bum of the Month club, his record is embarrassingly bad. He was a giant at MW and found success in running away from smaller guys. Awful puncher, not that hard to hit.

If Saunders really was as bad as you claim him to be, then why did Canelo’s team decide against facing him on two occasions?

Why did GGG decide against facing Billy Joe when the terms of their fights had already been agreed by both parties during two sets of contract negotiations?

Why was Demetrius Andrade highly reluctant to face Saunders, by asking for a considerable amount of time to become “ready”?

Why did David Lemieux previously reject a guaranteed opportunity to face the Brit and when they eventually faced each other, the Canadian boxer got embarrassed?

Why did Chris Eubank Jr. decline multiple highly-lucrative offers to engage in a rematch against Billy Joe, since it was Saunders that won their first bout?

This isn’t hearsay on my part, all of the above things really did happen.

If Billy Joe really was as bad as you claim him to be, then he should have been considered low-hanging fruit by his rivals, whereby taking the WBO title away from him would be easy pickings, but yet almost none of the big name 160lb-ers tried.

And for the record, Saunders wasn’t “a giant at middleweight”, that’s simply a bizarre thing to say!

Just to be clear, I don’t feel that Billy Joe is hugely impressive middleweight, but he is underappreciated and definitely a world-class operator.

[Ricky]

If Saunders really was as bad as you claim him to be, then why did Canelo’s team decide against facing him on two occasions?

Why did GGG decide against facing Billy Joe when the terms of their fights had already been agreed by both parties during two sets of contract negotiations?

Why was Demetrius Andrade highly reluctant to face Saunders, by asking for a considerable amount of time to become “ready”?

Why did David Lemieux previously reject a guaranteed opportunity to face the Brit and when they eventually faced each other, the Canadian boxer got embarrassed?

Why did Chris Eubank Jr. decline multiple highly-lucrative offers to engage in a rematch against Billy Joe, since it was Saunders that won their first bout?

This isn’t hearsay on my part, all of the above things really did happen.

If Billy Joe really was as bad as you claim him to be, then he should have been considered low-hanging fruit by his rivals, whereby taking the WBO title away from him would be easy pickings, but yet almost none of the big name 160lb-ers tried.

And for the record, Saunders wasn’t “a giant at middleweight”, that’s simply a bizarre thing to say!

Just to be clear, I don’t feel that Billy Joe is hugely impressive middleweight, but he is underappreciated and definitely a world-class operator.

Nobody wants to fight a runner with no fans.

You're utterly clueless on size, always have been.

[lazboy]

Saunders is garbage. A paid-up member of the Bum of the Month club, his record is embarrassingly bad. He was a giant at MW and found success in running away from smaller guys. Awful puncher, not that hard to hit.

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Enlightened-One]

You're utterly clueless on size, always have been.

And what leads you to believe that Saunders is a "giant middleweight"?

[Ricky]

And what leads you to believe that Saunders is a "giant middleweight"?

I have 2 working eyes. He was also much bigger than the tomata can he faced on Saturday, despite that being a SMW contest vs a fighter previously to have faught at LHW. Like I said, you have never possessed a single clue about size. You probably think Crawford's a bigger welter than BJS is a middle.

[Enlightened-One]

I have 2 working eyes. He was also much bigger than the tomata can he faced on Saturday, despite that being a SMW contest vs a fighter previously to have faught at LHW. Like I said, you have never possessed a single clue about size. You probably think Crawford's a bigger welter than BJS is a middle.

Interesting, you feel so defensive that you always resort to insults rather than provide justification that is based on real-world facts.

For the record, Saunders isn't a "giant middleweight". Examples of "giant middleweights" could be Danny Jacobs and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Billy Joe is nowhere near as big as those guys.

Have you seen the Saunders-Eubank bout?

I have two eyes as well you know.

[jamamb]

what size is bjs at mw, average or slightly big i guess?