tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 21:07 He moves like he's in molasses.
He's almost like watching a slow motion replay
Joe Joyce 265 pounds vs Ustinov 283 pounds
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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 15:52 BoxRec has him as Russian (birth place & nationality, but not residence). I didn’t dig any deeper than that for his country of origin.
I’ll assume you’re opinion is more superior on this matter than mine, so I’ll refer to him as a Belarussian from now on.![]()
No, you're good. There will probably be an anschluss between Russia and Belarus soon anyway.
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Saturday 18, May 2019
Lamex Stadium, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
promoter Queensberry Promotions - allegedly
matchmaker Jason McClory
Billy Joe Saunders 27 0 0
vs
Shefat Isufi 27 3 2
vacant World Boxing Organisation World Super Middleweight Title
Brad Foster 10 0 1
vs
Ashley Lane 13 8 2
BBBofC British Super Bantamweight Title
Commonwealth (British Empire) Super Bantamweight Title
Joe Joyce 8 0 0
vs
Alexander Ustinov 34 3 0
Boy Jones 18 2 1
vs
Shaun Cooper 8 0 0
vacant World Boxing Organisation Youth Lightweight Title
Balazs Bacskai 9 0 0
vs
Danilo Moises Solis 20 5 1
Ryan Garner 8 0 0
vs
Jose Hernandez 4 33 1
Harvey Horn 5 0 0
vs
Joel Sanchez 4 2 1
Willy Hutchinson 7 0 0
vs
Ondrej Budera 9 10 1
Connor Wright 7 0 0
vs
Owen Jobburn 5 3 2
Dennis McCann debut
vs
Kamil Jaworek 5 12 0
Harley Benn 6 0 0
vs
TBA
James Branch 4 0 0
vs
Jan Hrazdira 3 12 1
Lisa Whiteside debut
vs
Dani Hodges 4 1 0
Adi Burden 8 0 0
vs
Callum Ide 0 27 2
Graham Tirrell 9 0 0
vs
Scott Hillman 0 40 0

Joe Joyce 8 0 0
vs
Alexander Ustinov 34 3 0
Joyce won by Stoppage
FULL CARD HIGHLIGHTS and VIDEOS HERE:
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EO You know I have respect for your knowledge. I am trying to get you to appreciate that claiming credit "i called it" for successfully predicting a foregone conclusion is almost guaranteed to provoke derision. You frequently post things that I find impressive and I say so. I will also say so when you post things which I don't. More of the good stuff pleaseEnlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 18:48 Did I claim to have scored some sort of victory?
Your words might be eloquent and dramatic, but they bear no relation to anything I’ve claimed.
I am glad other people applaud you. As it reinforces my belief that people either can’t pay attention to others thoughts or they choose not to.
And that fact helps build my confidence.![]()
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He's like a less coordinated and easier to hit second career Foreman.tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 21:07 He moves like he's in molasses.
He's almost like watching a slow motion replay
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I didn’t claim credit for anything. I even added an eyes rolling emotion to my comment.
Go back and check for yourself.
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I just did and I'm still not sure what the rolling-eyes emoji is meant to signify. I had assumed it was in reference to the mismatch but if you are telling me it was intended to poke fun and indicate that your "I called it" comment was ironic then I believe you, and I'm sorry I misunderstood you, but in my defence you are not known for irony, flippancy, or self-deprecatory humour.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 09:10 I didn’t claim credit for anything. I even added an eyes rolling emotion to my comment.
Go back and check for yourself.
When you put "l called it " you are inviting people to take that at face value and assume you are drawing attention to your impressive insight. I would avoid it if I were you, except of course on those occasions when your minority prediction has proved to be almost uniquely correct. Just my well-meaning suggestion. Take it or leave it.
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If Joyce had any speed whatsoever, none of his fights to date would have gone beyond one round.
He is painfully slow: I used to get the same feeling watching Bruno, but Big Frank was better technically, with a better and more useful jab.
With Bruno, his lack of speed was as a result of being too muscular, but with Joyce, although he is in good shape, he isn't excessively muscular, just woefully slow.
He is painfully slow: I used to get the same feeling watching Bruno, but Big Frank was better technically, with a better and more useful jab.
With Bruno, his lack of speed was as a result of being too muscular, but with Joyce, although he is in good shape, he isn't excessively muscular, just woefully slow.
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I’ll take on board your constructive feedback.candyslim wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 09:47 I just did and I'm still not sure what the rolling-eyes emoji is meant to signify. I had assumed it was in reference to the mismatch but if you are telling me it was intended to poke fun and indicate that your "I called it" comment was ironic then I believe you, and I'm sorry I misunderstood you, but in my defence you are not known for irony, flippancy, or self-deprecatory humour.
When you put "l called it " you are inviting people to take that at face value and assume you are drawing attention to your impressive insight. I would avoid it if I were you, except of course on those occasions when your minority prediction has proved to be almost uniquely correct. Just my well-meaning suggestion. Take it or leave it.
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I saw it, and that's how it went down. I still think Joyce beats Dubois, I haven't seen enough of Gorman to punt either way.
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Joyce looks like he boxes in slow motion. I'd like to see him step up soon, but Wilder or Joshua would knock him into oblivion.
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Yeah I saw it. I think Dubois gets to Joyce. Gorman gets walked down. I just hope for JJ's sake that he learns something from Booth. If he improves his defense, it's a gamechanger.
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It's weird with Joe. I mean I watch him and I'm in full agreement that he looks slow, labouring, ungainly, he scorns defence (at least once he has satisfied himself that it's safe to do so). His punches clearly are not to be sniffed at, but they look anything but sharp and the delivery looks to be devoid of technique, reaching, pushing, horrible to behold.
I've been one of his believers on here, I've fancied him to be too strong and relentless, having the stamina to overhaul the likes of Ortiz or Povetkin down the stretch. I do find myself questioning my faith though. Maybe I'm reading too much into his success as an an amateur. I keep thinking "This guy has faced the best amateurs in the world and beaten most of them He won Olympic Silver and a good proportion of witnesses felt it ought to have been Gold". I know amateur and pro are very different disciplines, but I can't help thinking that a man with his credentials ought to look a hell of a lot more impressive than what I'm seeing.
I've not completely lost faith in him but he needs to sharpen up his act. He did what we all expected but he isn't likely to have won over any new admirers.
I've been one of his believers on here, I've fancied him to be too strong and relentless, having the stamina to overhaul the likes of Ortiz or Povetkin down the stretch. I do find myself questioning my faith though. Maybe I'm reading too much into his success as an an amateur. I keep thinking "This guy has faced the best amateurs in the world and beaten most of them He won Olympic Silver and a good proportion of witnesses felt it ought to have been Gold". I know amateur and pro are very different disciplines, but I can't help thinking that a man with his credentials ought to look a hell of a lot more impressive than what I'm seeing.
I've not completely lost faith in him but he needs to sharpen up his act. He did what we all expected but he isn't likely to have won over any new admirers.
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Watched the fight just now as it’s on YouTube. Joyce seems to be trying to improve, trying very hard but he just doesn’t have it. Whereas Ustinov looked like he deliberately took a prolonged beating but in slow motion, basically he took a dive.
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Considering more times than not power is from velocity, Joyce surprises me with just how hard he hits despite having such slow methodical movements.
I can only assume a large part of his success must be that he has his opponents timing down, in order to maximize his punching power, because he's certainly not doing it by acceleration.
That being said, if he fights Dubois that'll be the fight that really answers my questions on both men. The winner ought to fight for a world title.
I can only assume a large part of his success must be that he has his opponents timing down, in order to maximize his punching power, because he's certainly not doing it by acceleration.
That being said, if he fights Dubois that'll be the fight that really answers my questions on both men. The winner ought to fight for a world title.
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there have been lots of slow big punchers. id say most punchers actually arent speedy fighters. and a lot of speedy fighters dont have much pop
where does slow power or fast non-power come from?
where does slow power or fast non-power come from?
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The comebacking George Foreman certainly fits the slow-hard puncher. Joe Calzaghe, fast as he was, seemingly was the most feather fisted top man in my lifetime other than Chris Byrd.
I can only assume the men who are fast with no pop must not be hitting with fists but flicking their punches, or don't put their ass and shoulders into their shots at all.
As for the slow murderous punchers... I can only assume it's that they have a sharp mind, and that their power relies mainly on their opponents walking into shots they've set up.
It's a mystery. Then again even a feather fisted man in boxing hits harder than the local hard man in a bar room.
I'm reminded of the late Bartley Gorman saying the hardest he was ever hit with a single punch was from Roger Barlow whose career ended at 12-5-1 (6) which is a 33% kayo rate.