Ugonoh: Usyk lacks punching power at HW

[Onetimeonly]

Not quite up there with Henrys prediction that Fury was going to use the same style against Wilder that Haye used in sparring

Fury was going to come out hard with overhand rights and push Wilder back according to our resident strategist

Lol, he just tries to portray his inner submissive fury desires to fights. He wants domination.

[Ilya Muromets]

Usyk has not yet failed to live up to the comparison. He was great at cruiser, and we still can only speculate about his heavyweight career.
And let's be honest, Holyfield almost certainly gave himself a little boost to deal with the size issue at HW.

No almost about it. Tyson did too. The majority of them probably do. Even amateurs take whatever "supplements" they can nowadays.

[gilgamesh]

He lacked punching power at Cruiserweight. He's not the greatest puncher in the world, but he's not weak either. He hits hard enough to make you think twice about attacking him.

[tennessee]

If you have enough skills and toughness, you dont have to punch like a mule kick. Watch some ol Larry Holmes. That cat would of whooped alot of these big guys.

[PUGLET]

Comparing Usyk to Holyfield is STRAIGHT UP BLASPHEMY!!! The expression or description of "great" and "greatness" in terms of both fights and fighters these days is used FAR TOO frequently. Same rule applies to comparing Loma to Sweet Pea or GGG to Hagler/Hearns. Complete and uttter nonsense. Holyfield would "run through" both AJ and Wilder at almost any point of his career. I blame either the internet or "new breed" media who are unawares.

[jamamb]

well they were both undisputed cruiser champs who ppl rated at cruiser and then moved/are moving to hw. hardly blasphemy, they have notable career parrells and are arguably the 2 top cruisers of all time

i agree holys much better but there are some perfectly legit points of comparison and tbf we havent seen usyk exposed as an ineffective hw yet

[ValMar]

well they were both undisputed cruiser champs who ppl rated at cruiser and then moved/are moving to hw. hardly blasphemy, they have notable career parrells and are arguably the 2 top cruisers of all time

i agree holys much better but there are some perfectly legit points of comparison and tbf we havent seen usyk exposed as an ineffective hw yet

Well done !

[revpickles]

Since prize fighting is all about entertainment and giving the crowd something to talk about most fighters are judged on 'punching power' in professional boxing...
Ali was not a big puncher though was he? He entertained us with skill and movement and mouth!

Without looking to hard - Izu if i remember right was the kick boxer turned boxer who fights out of Kiwi land with Joe Parker ?


I wouldn't listen to him too much, the only thing Usyk lacks at heavyweight is scalps!

[revpickles]

Since prize fighting is all about entertainment and giving the crowd something to talk about most fighters are judged on 'punching power' in professional boxing...
Ali was not a big puncher though was he? He entertained us with skill and movement and mouth!

Without looking to hard - Izu if i remember right was the kick boxer turned boxer who fights out of Kiwi land with Joe Parker ?


I wouldn't listen to him too much, the only thing Usyk lacks at heavyweight is scalps!

[Contendeh]

It really isn’t a good sign that Usyk is moving up in weight and is already injured.

Maybe it’s nothing or maybe his body is not responding well to the demands put on it with increased size.

I agree with the posters that are saying that punching power isn’t the only thing that matters. If Usyk has a solid enough shot to keep him his opponent off him, plus the ability to make his opponent over exert himself, that will be more than enough.

[dagilechia]

Izu's comeback details will be known in next 2 weeks, most likely he'll be back in action this summer.

Izu will be back 6 July against undefeated Łukasz Różański (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/734408) in the main event in Różański's hometown of Rzeszów.

On the same card, one of the best LHW prospects in the world, Paweł Stępień (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/740621) will test himself against the 16-1-1 Marek Matyja (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/573879) and one of the best world's MW/SMW prospects, Poland-based Ukrainian Fedir Cherkashyn (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/718305) will fight 20-2-1 Wes Capper of Australia.

also in action: EBU middleweight champion Kamil Szeremeta and SMW prospect Mateusz Tryc (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/795842)

good card.

[Thomastearns]

No almost about it. Tyson did too. The majority of them probably do. Even amateurs take whatever "supplements" they can nowadays.

When did Mike Tyson do it? What do you know?

We saw how Holyfield beefed up "amazingly well" after moving up to HW and serious doubts as to how he did it remain to this day.

I guess Usyk is finding out the hard way just how difficult the demands of moving up (unassisted) are upon a grown body.

No matter how good he is he will get hit far harder than he's ever been hit before. What does he have to keep them off since I can't see him running around backwards and sideways Tyson Fury style.

[Onetimeonly]

If you have enough skills and toughness, you dont have to punch like a mule kick. Watch some ol Larry Holmes. That cat would of whooped alot of these big guys.

All of them.

[Ilya Muromets]

When did Mike Tyson do it? What do you know?

We saw how Holyfield beefed up "amazingly well" after moving up to HW and serious doubts as to how he did it remain to this day.

I guess Usyk is finding out the hard way just how difficult the demands of moving up (unassisted) are upon a grown body.

No matter how good he is he will get hit far harder than he's ever been hit before. What does he have to keep them off since I can't see him running around backwards and sideways Tyson Fury style.

Tyson: Remember how he'd go from fat to fit before fights in remarkeble quick time? And roid rage. And THIS just out!... Damn that's a new one on me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/other ... ction.html

Holyfield was also a well known doper. His barely disguised name and address was found in the records of a major drug distributor.

[Thomastearns]

Tyson: Remember how he'd go from fat to fit before fights in remarkeble quick time? And roid rage. And THIS just out!... Damn that's a new one on me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/other ... ction.html

Holyfield was also a well known doper. His barely disguised name and address was found in the records of a major drug distributor.

I see what you mean. Tyson's book "The Undisputed Truth" (2013) went into detail the sheer amount of derailment he experienced. His recreational drug use is well described therein.

I don't recall any mention of any PED use though. And if any fighter was to openly admit it, Mike Tyson's the most likely.

It's a brilliantly candid read regardless of which version you have (I think the UK had certain documentation re the 'rape' case withheld).

D'Amato's psychological training of the young Mike as described is probably being replicated by coaches/ parents all over the world. The sheer depth of mental conditioning he underwent was frightening. No wonder he spoke the way he did. I bet none of his opponents had any idea of just what kind of destruction machine they were about to go up against.

It makes all the other books on boxing I've read seem either distant or deliberately vague.

[tiny_acres]

Holyfield was also a well known doper. His barely disguised name and address was found in the records of a major drug distributor.

Yes the Holyfield fiasco was a joke.
How much more evidence do people need

[Ilya Muromets]

I see what you mean. Tyson's book "The Undisputed Truth" (2013) went into detail the sheer amount of derailment he experienced. His recreational drug use is well described therein.

I don't recall any mention of any PED use though. And if any fighter was to openly admit it, Mike Tyson's the most likely.

It's a brilliantly candid read regardless of which version you have (I think the UK had certain documentation re the 'rape' case withheld).

D'Amato's psychological training of the young Mike as described is probably being replicated by coaches/ parents all over the world. The sheer depth of mental conditioning he underwent was frightening. No wonder he spoke the way he did. I bet none of his opponents had any idea of just what kind of destruction machine they were about to go up against.

It makes all the other books on boxing I've read seem either distant or deliberately vague.

Thanks for the book recommendation. I'd like to read it too. Did you see that newspaper article i linked above, Daily Mail i think? Was that in the book? Crazy!

[Ilya Muromets]

Yes the Holyfield fiasco was a joke.
How much more evidence do people need

Heavy steroid users like Holyfield and Arnold seem to be doing quite well healthwise, which raises the question is the stuff really that bad for you, assuming you don't go crazy with it like some bodybuilders and wrestlers?

And since so many of them use legal, illegal, and quasi-legal drugs it often seems like more of a question of who has the better crook doctors supervising their masking program, and who does the boxing establishment want to get, and like in the case of Mike Tyson who buys the best fake penises, so maybe it would be better to just legalize everything anyway, but that would cut the profits of all the "war on drugs" gangs, like VADA and the CIA.