Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019

[jamamb]

if thurman fights as he does vs anyone with a pulse the most damage hell do is to manny legs and ankles from having to chase run time

[oogiebe]

I'm surprised the poll (at the time of this post) favors Thurman.

[jamamb]

well hes a lot younger and has some wins over some top welters, its understandable . a lot depends on how much hes improved from his last showing, which wasnt too great

[oogiebe]

well hes a lot younger and has some wins over some top welters, its understandable . a lot depends on how much hes improved from his last showing, which wasnt too great

I like Thurman, but Manny still has enough to out gun him. Styles. If Thurman was more a pressure fighter, I'd might give him the nod, but he's not. Manny will dictate the pace and Thurman will wear out.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think people are underestimating Thurman. Maybe his hunger.

After he beat Garcia, he was considered #1 WW with many outlets. No?

I think people got bored with his inactivity and in his absence Crawford moved up, Spence became champion, Porter has regained a world title. But it’s Crawford and Spence who many have as #1 and #2 in whichever order.

Thurman has better wins than both of them at WW put together. But his inactivity has no doubt hurt him.

It’s funny cuz many are saying Thurman is no match for Spence. Wtf?! Even in Crawford’s case, his team are saying sack Garcia, Porter & Thurman, they ONLY want Spence.

Either people have forgotten how good Thurman can be or people are just bored of him and moved on.

[IKSRTFO]

Thurman will be alright. He wouldn't have moved immediately from Lopez to Pacquiao if he didn't feel that his first fight in 2 years stripped away plenty rust.

I don't consider the Lopez fight a near loss. He encountered adversity in the 7th round. He's dealt with it before. Usually from body shots. But he always comes through.

Other than that 1 round, Thurman pretty much dominated Lopez. He didn't sparkle but didn't figure to after his lengthy injury hiatus.

If he's 80%+ the fighter who beat Garcia and Spence, Thurman will push aside Pacquiao.

I still remember how unheralded and green Jeff Horn mauled Pacquiao and busted him up.

Even a slightly diminished Thurman can do the same and much more.

Thurman fights nothing like Horn, Horn fights in a rugged style using his size. Thurman isn't big for the weight like Horn is. The only reason Thurman boils down is due to not staying in shape between fights like Hatton. Don't be suprised if Thurman runs from Pacquiao the entire fight and loses.

[IKSRTFO]

I think people are underestimating Thurman. Maybe his hunger.

After he beat Garcia, he was considered #1 WW with many outlets. No?

I think people got bored with his inactivity and in his absence Crawford moved up, Spence became champion, Porter has regained a world title. But it’s Crawford and Spence who many have as #1 and #2 in whichever order.

Thurman has better wins than both of them at WW put together. But his inactivity has no doubt hurt him.

It’s funny cuz many are saying Thurman is no match for Spence. Wtf?! Even in Crawford’s case, his team are saying sack Garcia, Porter & Thurman, they ONLY want Spence.

Either people have forgotten how good Thurman can be or people are just bored of him and moved on.

Stylewise, he doesn't match up with Spence. It will look similar to when Freitas fought Corrales with Thurman going out on his shield instead of quitting.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Stylewise, he doesn't match up with Spence. It will look similar to when Freitas fought Corrales with Thurman going out on his shield instead of quitting.

Well i’d like to see it and be the judge. After Porter, Spence’s best route would be the winner of this unless he has a mando.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Thurman fights nothing like Horn, Horn fights in a rugged style using his size. Thurman isn't big for the weight like Horn is. The only reason Thurman boils down is due to not staying in shape between fights like Hatton. Don't be suprised if Thurman runs from Pacquiao the entire fight and loses.

Thurman is big. He used to be a LMW.

[IKSRTFO]

Thurman is big. He used to be a LMW.

Because he didn't want to make 147, not actually because he's that big. Porter fought at 165 and Hurd didn't. Does that make Porter bigger than Hurd? Thurman just blows up between fights just like Hatton. Hatton walked around heavier than Cotto did but wasn't actually bigger.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Very decent undercard for this PPV.

[brilo33]

i think manny can win , thurman hasnt gone on like a champ i thought he would,he has gone stale , i liked when he was angry trying to fight pauile mag at press meetings,he doesnt seem to have that hunger, manny has still got that workrate to trouble thurman ,if i would of called this fight 3 years ago,would have said thurman ko. but today iam going manny points

[brilo33]

I think people are underestimating Thurman. Maybe his hunger.

After he beat Garcia, he was considered #1 WW with many outlets. No?

I think people got bored with his inactivity and in his absence Crawford moved up, Spence became champion, Porter has regained a world title. But it’s Crawford and Spence who many have as #1 and #2 in whichever order.

Thurman has better wins than both of them at WW put together. But his inactivity has no doubt hurt him.

It’s funny cuz many are saying Thurman is no match for Spence. Wtf?! Even in Crawford’s case, his team are saying sack Garcia, Porter & Thurman, they ONLY want Spence.

Either people have forgotten how good Thurman can be or people are just bored of him and moved on.

when thurman beat Guerrero, i thought he showed he was more than a banger, he can box aswell, i just feel there is a light gone out in him , taking a long time out aswell, i know he was back at the start of the year , just if your champ surely you would want to be fighting as much as possible

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ricky]

Bit of a size diff, but i think Thurman might be shot given his absymal showing vs Josesito Lopez. Pacman by KO.

[SenorPipino]

Bit of a size diff, but i think Thurman might be shot given his absymal showing vs Josesito Lopez. Pacman by KO.

Pacquiao has 1 KO in nearly 10 years and you think he'll stop the bigger, stronger, younger Thurman?

No chance in hell.

[Ricky]

Pacquiao has 1 KO in nearly 10 years and you think he'll stop the bigger, stronger, younger Thurman?

No chance in hell.

You think Pacquiao is a softer touch than a big fat over-the-hill Josesito Lopez who was never world level even in his prime?

[oogiebe]

You think Pacquiao is a softer touch than a big fat over-the-hill Josesito Lopez who was never world level even in his prime?

Of course Pac-man is better. I'm also not so sure he can swing the ko. Not impossible, but improbable. The poll shows most of the posters favor Thurman to win. I have Pac by decision.

[SenorPipino]

You think Pacquiao is a softer touch than a big fat over-the-hill Josesito Lopez who was never world level even in his prime?

But do you think a Pacquiao who couldn't take out an Algieri, a Rios, or a Horn, has the power to stop a studly Thurman?

You're asking if I think Pacquiao is better than Lopez. My answer is yes.

But you somehow think that qualifies him to knockout Thurman. Hardly.

[Evander]

Thurman by stoppage, they might even have to pull Pacquiao out at some point.

[Ricky]

But do you think a Pacquiao who couldn't take out an Algieri, a Rios, or a Horn, has the power to stop a studly Thurman?

You're asking if I think Pacquiao is better than Lopez. My answer is yes.

But you somehow think that qualifies him to knockout Thurman. Hardly.

You obviously didn't see Thurmans last fight. He was razor close to being stopped by Lopez and looked like a shot fighter. In PACs last 2 he's stopped Matthysse and gave Broner a beating. At this stage, Thurman is worse than Broner, and is one of the most overrated fighters in the last 5 years.

[IKSRTFO]

Pacquiao has 1 KO in nearly 10 years and you think he'll stop the bigger, stronger, younger Thurman?

No chance in hell.

Josesito Lopez had 1 KO since Victor Ortiz to now and he almost did stop Thurman. Nothing I've seen in Thurman suggest that he's that much stronger than Pacquiao.


But I doubt Pacquiao KOs him but I think Pac's boxing ability is being overlooked.

[Ruthless-RKO]

You obviously didn't see Thurmans last fight. He was razor close to being stopped by Lopez and looked like a shot fighter. In PACs last 2 he's stopped Matthysse and gave Broner a beating. At this stage, Thurman is worse than Broner, and is one of the most overrated fighters in the last 5 years.

After beating Porter and Garcia back to back, he wasn’t overrated. He was rated as THE BEST WW, which was true at the time. The 2 year lay off didn’t help and no one really rates him in top 3-5 WW anymore. He has a lot of making up to do. He isn’t shot for shît.

[IKSRTFO]

After beating Porter and Garcia back to back, he wasn’t overrated. He was rated as THE BEST WW, which was true at the time. The 2 year lay off didn’t help and no one really rates him in top 3-5 WW anymore. He has a lot of making up to do. He isn’t shot for shît.

You could argue that both of those fights could've been a draw. Kell Brook beat Porter more convincingly than Thurman did.

[ironbeard]

Thurman is soft to the body which opens up his head against someone who can withstand his early power and take him deep. That said, JMM’s first KD of Pac was setup by bodywork.

A couple of years back I would not have hesitated to pick Thurman, but I agree with others who are questioning his desire at this point. That combined with the two year layoff and the poor performance v Josesito has me leaning towards a Pac win by clear decision or late KO.

Thurman claims that he will retire Pac. I think that he is cashing himself out.