Luis Ortiz versus Joseph Parker

[goose 5]

I'd really like to see this fight happen. Who do you guys think would win? I'd take Parker by decision.

[dagilechia]

hard to pick, it all depends on how Ortiz has aged since his last fights. therefore, i'd say 50/50.

[Syntax Error]

Good fight.

Parker has a tendency to be a bit gun-shy against quality opposition, but he is good technically and he's arguably the fastest of the current crop of top and second tier HWs.

I'd take Parker by close decision, mainly because he is under 100 years old.

[Enlightened-One]

Joseph Parker wins this one.

The Kiwi has a solid chin, an excellent engine, decent skills and throws solid punches..

The Cuban might be the better boxer though, but I don't think his workrate is sufficiently high to keep winning rounds, especially at his current age.

Ortiz might even struggle to last the distance, due to running out-of-gas, if Parker chose to compete at the same frenetic pace he did for his bout against Dillian Whyte.

And let’s not forget that the best victory on King Kong’s resume came against Bryant Jennings 3½ years ago. Luis Ortiz has never defeated a top-five world-rated heavyweight. In fact, the Jennings bout was the only top-ten world-rated fighter he has even beaten.

I’m not entirely sure how Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz (a fighter that tested positive for PED’s on two seperate occasions in 2014 & 2017) has managed to obtain such a “fearsome” reputation, especially considering he rejected opportunities to face Dillian Whyte on multiple occasions, as well as rejecting the AJ fight, even though he previously said he’d be willing to face Anthony Joshua for free.

Ortiz hasn't justified the hype by accomplishing anything particularly impressive in the pro ranks. His reputation was based purely on his amateur pedigree, the proverbial "eye test" (against journeymen) and his performance against a gun-shy version of Deontay Wilder.

The Cuban's resume is deeply unimpressive and vastly inferior to Joseph Parker's.

Three years ago I may have favoured Ortiz, but not now. Parker wins this fight comfortably.

[oogiebe]

10 rounder? 50/50
12 rounder? Parker.

[DrDuke]

Ortiz by KO in the first half or Parker by decision. If Ortiz wasn't old, I'd pick him, he's a better boxer. However, Parker can box cautious and especially now he can get a lot of dividends from it against Ortiz.

[ValMar]

Ortiz by KO in the first half or Parker by decision. If Ortiz wasn't old, I'd pick him, he's a better boxer. However, Parker can box cautious and especially now he can get a lot of dividends from it against Ortiz.

I agree.

[KiwiRider]

10 rounder? 50/50
12 rounder? Parker.

Ortiz was gassed after 6 with Wilder, and that was with him controlling the (slow) pace. Against Parker, I figure he gasses even earlier.
Don't forget, Eddie dropped Ortiz off his books due to poor performance a few years ago. Just because he had Wilder in a world of trouble doesn't mean much seeing as he was Wilders best opponent at the time.

[oogiebe]

Ortiz was gassed after 6 with Wilder, and that was with him controlling the (slow) pace. Against Parker, I figure he gasses even earlier.
Don't forget, Eddie dropped Ortiz off his books due to poor performance a few years ago. Just because he had Wilder in a world of trouble doesn't mean much seeing as he was Wilders best opponent at the time.

It's how I see it. The Wilder fight has nothing to do with what I posted. Parker needs to prove he's better than how he's performed. I think Ortiz is a tough fight for him. He went 10 rounds his last two fights. He was gassing, and that's why I see Parker winning in a 12 rounder easier than a 10 rounder.

[candyslim]

Joseph Parker wins this one.

The Kiwi has a solid chin, an excellent engine, decent skills and throws solid punches..

The Cuban might be the better boxer though, but I don't think his workrate is sufficiently high to keep winning rounds, especially at his current age.

Ortiz might even struggle to last the distance, due to running out-of-gas, if Parker chose to compete at the same frenetic pace he did for his bout against Dillian Whyte.

And let’s not forget that the best victory on King Kong’s resume came against Bryant Jennings 3½ years ago. Luis Ortiz has never defeated a top-five world-rated heavyweight. In fact, the Jennings bout was the only top-ten world-rated fighter he has even beaten.

I’m not entirely sure how Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz (a fighter that tested positive for PED’s on two seperate occasions in 2014 & 2017) has managed to obtain such a “fearsome” reputation, especially considering he rejected opportunities to face Dillian Whyte on multiple occasions, as well as rejecting the AJ fight, even though he previously said he’d be willing to face Anthony Joshua for free.

Ortiz hasn't justified the hype by accomplishing anything particularly impressive in the pro ranks. His reputation was based purely on his amateur pedigree, the proverbial "eye test" (against journeymen) and his performance against a gun-shy version of Deontay Wilder.

The Cuban's resume is deeply unimpressive and vastly inferior to Joseph Parker's.

Three years ago I may have favoured Ortiz, but not now. Parker wins this fight comfortably.

I agree your assessment. As for the question of how Ortiz acquired his reputation, I can only speak for myself although I suspect I'm one of many, I found Luis's knockout of Jennings absolutely chilling, I held Bryant in high regard as one of the USA's finest of the then new generation of heavyweights, a young man that took the great Wladimar Klitschko to a decision. To see him crushed like that by a skillful Cuban employing a wicked uppercut left me in awe.

Since then I have learned that Jennings was nowhere near as good as I led myself to believe, consequently Ortiz's signature win is less impressive in hindsight. I feel guilty harbouring such thoughts though because I'd wanted Deontay to fight Ortiz for a long time, and he finally did. It took him long enough but give the man his due, he took on and beat the man I'd been calling for him to face.

It seems a bit shitty to now decide the guy wasn't all that afterall, so I stick to my original assessment that Deontay beat one of the best in the division and proved his durability and his heart and toughness in the process.

[oogiebe]

I agree your assessment. As for the question of how Ortiz acquired his reputation, I can only speak for myself although I suspect I'm one of many, I found Luis's knockout of Jennings absolutely chilling, I held Bryant in high regard as one of the USA's finest of the then new generation of heavyweights, a young man that took the great Wladimar Klitschko to a decision. To see him crushed like that by a skillful Cuban employing a wicked uppercut left me in awe.

Since then I have learned that Jennings was nowhere near as good as I led myself to believe, consequently Ortiz's signature win is less impressive in hindsight. I feel guilty harbouring such thoughts though because I'd wanted Deontay to fight Ortiz for a long time, and he finally did. It took him long enough but give the man his due, he took on and beat the man I'd been calling for him to face.

It seems a bit shitty to now decide the guy wasn't all that afterall, so I stick to my original assessment that Deontay beat one of the best in the division and proved his durability and his heart and toughness in the process.

Jennings only loss since losing to Ortiz was to Rivas. How bad do you think Rivas is that your regard has fallen off so? He's still a decent test. Might even be a really tough test for Joyce.

[jamamb]

jennings was about as good as mike perez

[oogiebe]

jennings was about as good as mike perez

That may be, but I'm curious why a loss to Rivas swayed Candy's mind.

[candyslim]

Well he has been very inactive, I believe because the Ortiz loss knocked the stuffing out of him psychologically. I was also very surprised by his reaction when accosted by Dillian Whyte demanding an explanation as to derogatory things Jennings had said about him in the media.

Someone like Miller would have snarled back at Whyte and reiterated his poor opinion of him, probably punctuated or should that be punktuated by a succinct and unrefined expletive or two. Bryant was visibly upset not to say shaken by this aggressive and unexpected confrontation. I remember thinking that was perfectly understandable reaction ... for a well-bred, mannerly gentleman of quality waylaid by a rather large ruffian, but this timidity was not what I'd expect from a serious heavyweight contender. It made me question whether Bryant was really cut out for the fight-game.

I guess what I'm saying Oogie was his decline in my estimation was probably more about my personal perception than anything I'd seen from Bryant in the ring, but watching how he managed to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory against Rivas does little to persuade me that I've gone from overestimating him to now selling him short.

[oogiebe]

Well he has been very inactive, I believe because the Ortiz loss knocked the stuffing out of him psychologically. I was also very surprised by his reaction when accosted by Dillian Whyte demanding an explanation as to derogatory things Jennings had said about him in the media.

Someone like Miller would have snarled back at Whyte and reiterated his poor opinion of him, probably punctuated or should that be punktuated by a succinct and unrefined expletive or two. Bryant was visibly upset not to say shaken by this aggressive and unexpected confrontation. I remember thinking that was perfectly understandable reaction ... for a well-bred, mannerly gentleman of quality waylaid by a rather large ruffian, but this timidity was not what I'd expect from a serious heavyweight contender. It made me question whether Bryant was really cut out for the fight-game.

I guess what I'm saying Oogie was his decline in my estimation was probably more about my personal perception than anything I'd seen from Bryant in the ring, but watching how he managed to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory against Rivas does little to persuade me that I've gone from overestimating him to now selling him short.

[Enlightened-One]

I agree your assessment. As for the question of how Ortiz acquired his reputation, I can only speak for myself although I suspect I'm one of many, I found Luis's knockout of Jennings absolutely chilling, I held Bryant in high regard as one of the USA's finest of the then new generation of heavyweights, a young man that took the great Wladimar Klitschko to a decision. To see him crushed like that by a skillful Cuban employing a wicked uppercut left me in awe.

Since then I have learned that Jennings was nowhere near as good as I led myself to believe, consequently Ortiz's signature win is less impressive in hindsight. I feel guilty harbouring such thoughts though because I'd wanted Deontay to fight Ortiz for a long time, and he finally did. It took him long enough but give the man his due, he took on and beat the man I'd been calling for him to face.

It seems a bit shitty to now decide the guy wasn't all that afterall, so I stick to my original assessment that Deontay beat one of the best in the division and proved his durability and his heart and toughness in the process.

There’s nothing unreasonable about your previous beliefs or your reasons for holding them, nor is there anything wrong with revising your opinions based on hindsight.

I would like to add though that I was previously aggressively attacked about my thoughts about Ortiz, even though they ended up coming to fruition.

And to be honest, I would have loved to have been proven wrong about Ortiz, since the division needed another elite-level operator, but unfortunately I was ultimately proven to be correct.

[candyslim]

You're right EO but I do so dislike the practice of lauding to the skies any fighter that your favourite has beaten, and the flip-side of denigrating anyone that his rival has beaten, or is even about to face.

Perhaps my disdain for that kind of biased revisionism is making my current evaluation less than totally honest. How ironic is that !

Don't get too pleased with your assessment of Ortiz. I once was defending him in a debate with Luis Fernando who was rubbishing Ortiz sometime back, and besides, you have to reckon on his being past his peak for a number of years now based on his age alone so your initial thoughts about him were very possibly correct.