Julian Williams Insinuates Charlo on PEDs

[diddy]

No other way for me to interpret these comments.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2019/5/19/1 ... ug-testing

He didnt name names but this is how I dissect these remarks. "I'm the champ now and the one man who has beaten me was cheating". Thats my evaluation here.

[JohnMcMinn]

I don't think there was drug testing for his fight with Jermall. Charlo looked vicious in that fight.

[diddy]

Julian Williams is a stud. I was very surprised by that result against Charlo.

[Lackeos]

Another interpretation is he thinks Charlo had loaded gloves.

[Best Coast]

Could be damage control by J-Rock. Williams may have Hurd's number but I wont be surprised if he rematches Charlo at 160 and loses to Jermall again, even though it may not be by KO next time. Charlo might just have J-Rock's number.

[Enlightened-One]

Julian Williams Insinuates Charlo on PEDs

No other way for me to interpret these comments.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2019/5/19/1 ... ug-testing

He didnt name names but this is how I dissect these remarks. "I'm the champ now and the one man who has beaten me was cheating". Thats my evaluation here.

Jermell Charlo is enrolled in the WBC's CBP program operated by VADA. This means he's willing to participate in VADA testing and he has previously been tested by that organisation on multiple occassions, as per their official website.

By the time Jermell Charlo engages in his rematch against Tony Harrison, he would have participated in six WBC world title fights, covering a 2½ year timeframe, all requiring VADA testing as part of the CBP.

I am aware that Jermell missed a single test last year, for the Tony Harrison fight, but he was tested on other occasions during the lead-up to the same bout. So missing a single test is not the same as testing positive for banned substances. This was just a one-off event.

[Thomastearns]

The WBC clean boxing fake shop front, I mean program, is almost hopelessly open to corruption.

Either give VADA and USADA, UKAD real teeth (ie 365 random, not 8 weeks before) and real money or admit the fraud.

Money is not an issue if the resultant fines are used to pay the agencies instead of going into the back pocket of the WBC. That cheating jerk Miller should be funding all VADA testing for months if there was any justice.

Instead the prick will most likely be back in a boxing ring before the end of the year.

[diddy]

Jermell Charlo is enrolled in the WBC's CBP program operated by VADA. This means he's willing to participate in VADA testing and he has previously been tested by that organisation on multiple occassions, as per their official website.

By the time Jermell Charlo engages in his rematch against Tony Harrison, he would have participated in six WBC world title fights, covering a 2½ year timeframe, all requiring VADA testing as part of the CBP.

I am aware that Jermell missed a single test last year, for the Tony Harrison fight, but he was tested on other occasions during the lead-up to the same bout. So missing a single test is not the same as testing positive for banned substances. This was just a one-off event.

JRock doesnt care about Jermell. He cares about Jermall, the guy that beat him.

[Enlightened-One]

JRock doesnt care about Jermell. He cares about Jermall, the guy that beat him.

The 154lbs Williams competes in a completely different weight division. And what I said about the 154lbs Jermell applies to the 160lbs Jermall.

There’s no point in pretending the Charlo’s are unwilling to participate in VADA testing.

[IKSRTFO]

Could be damage control by J-Rock. Williams may have Hurd's number but I wont be surprised if he rematches Charlo at 160 and loses to Jermall again, even though it may not be by KO next time. Charlo might just have J-Rock's number.

I think he's more likely to stay at 154 and eventually fight Jemell for revenge against Jemall.

[IKSRTFO]

Jermell Charlo is enrolled in the WBC's CBP program operated by VADA. This means he's willing to participate in VADA testing and he has previously been tested by that organisation on multiple occassions, as per their official website.

By the time Jermell Charlo engages in his rematch against Tony Harrison, he would have participated in six WBC world title fights, covering a 2½ year timeframe, all requiring VADA testing as part of the CBP.

I am aware that Jermell missed a single test last year, for the Tony Harrison fight, but he was tested on other occasions during the lead-up to the same bout. So missing a single test is not the same as testing positive for banned substances. This was just a one-off event.

Except, he wasn't talking about Jermell, he was talking about Jermall who beat him before moving up. Remember, they have different trainers, different camps, and Jermall gained enough weight to move up.

[IKSRTFO]

The 154lbs Williams competes in a completely different weight division. And what I said about the 154lbs Jermell applies to the 160lbs Jermall.

There’s no point in pretending the Charlo’s are unwilling to participate in VADA testing.

It really doesn't because they have different trainers.

[Best Coast]

I think he's more likely to stay at 154 and eventually fight Jemell for revenge against Jemall.

Good point amigo!! Just checked his record and he doesnt seem to have any problem making 154 and often comes in a little under.

[Enlightened-One]

It really doesn't because they have different trainers.

Did you actually read diddy's allegations about the Charlo’s allegedly refusing to be tested by VADA, when in fact they’ve BOTH been tested by that very organisation on MULTIPLE occasions?

Keep up with the flow of the conversation!!!

[Deleted_Scenes]

Jermall was IBF champion at the time he fought Williams, so wasn't enrolled in the WBC clean boxing program back then.

Stephen Edwards wanted full 90 day VADA testing for the fight, but it was never implemented. Nor did team Charlo ever ask for drug testing at any time. One single commission urine test, 2 hours before the fight, was all they got.

Also, after the Williams fight, when Charlo was enrolled with VADA, rules allowed fighters to miss up to 3 tests PER YEAR (that was changed later). This, combined with the woefully low frequency of tests actually taking place (something like 1 in 3 enrolled fighters receive one single random test a year - the rest never get a visit), would make it extremely easy to cycle on and off peds without being caught, just returning to their stated address once they know they're clean.

The CBP is useless. It's the full VADA pre-fight testing which catches people, which is why Williams now insists on full 90 day testing, rather than just having it kick in a few weeks before the fight.

Not saying either Charlo is dirty, just that they could be, along with any other CBP enrolled fighter.

[IKSRTFO]

Did you actually read diddy's allegations about the Charlo’s allegedly refusing to be tested by VADA, when in fact they’ve BOTH been tested by that very organisation on MULTIPLE occasions?

Keep up with the flow of the conversation!!!

They might not have been tested when Jermall did fight Williams. He didn't even have any type of WBC belt then.

[Enlightened-One]

They might not have been tested when Jermall did fight Williams. He didn't even have any type of WBC belt then.

'J Rock' didn't even mention the Charlo's by name - diddy did. It was this particular BoxRec forum user that actually made this allegation - not Julian Williams. Please check for yourself!

All 'J Rock’ said was that his future opponents' would have to be VADA tested for 90 days. And then he went onto say that he wants to "find out who’s really the best in the 154lbs division", which obviously excludes the 160lbs Jermall Charlo.

Both Charlo brothers have definitely been tested by VADA on multiple occasions.

Nobody should pretend that Jermell or Jermall have never been tested by VADA, because they both have been. It's not even up for discussion.

Nobody on this planet is entitled to an opinion on this, because this is a real-world historical fact that actually took place on numerous occasions.

If you're pretending that Jermall Charlo cheated when he defeated Julian Williams, well that's a completely different discussion and is clearly an unsubstantiated allegation, because even 'J Rock' has never alleged that he was beaten by a PED user!

Why are people referring to the Charlo's, because I can read and I know what Julian Williams' tweet actually said?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

All speculation

Im guessing j rock v charlo was usada testing. Haymon had those test results delivered to pbc brass only. Its entirely possible charlo tested positive and j rock caught wind of it. But again that is purely speculative

[Enlightened-One]

All speculation

Im guessing j rock v charlo was usada testing. Haymon had those test results delivered to pbc brass only. Its entirely possible charlo tested positive and j rock caught wind of it. But again that is purely speculative

There was no real testing for that fight. The commission only performed a urine test on both fighters the day of the bout. At that moment in time, the IBF didn't have a drug testing program. I think they leave it up to the fighters to agree the drug testing protocol, coupled with the local commission rules.

I'm pretty sure the IBF doesn't have a drug testing program now - the WBA & WBC both work with VADA.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

The wba and wbc programs are a good start but still have large loopholes

Boxing is doing much better mow than 10 years ago to catch ped cheats. Honestly speaking it has done a better job than the nfl in that timeframe

[diddy]

'J Rock' didn't even mention the Charlo's by name - diddy did. It was this particular BoxRec forum user that actually made this allegation - not Julian Williams. Please check for yourself!

All 'J Rock’ said was that his future opponents' would have to be VADA tested for 90 days. And then he went onto say that he wants to "find out who’s really the best in the 154lbs division", which obviously excludes the 160lbs Jermall Charlo.

Both Charlo brothers have definitely been tested by VADA on multiple occasions.

Nobody should pretend that Jermell or Jermall have never been tested by VADA, because they both have been. It's not even up for discussion.

Nobody on this planet is entitled to an opinion on this, because this is a real-world historical fact that actually took place on numerous occasions.

If you're pretending that Jermall Charlo cheated when he defeated Julian Williams, well that's a completely different discussion and is clearly an unsubstantiated allegation, because even 'J Rock' has never alleged that he was beaten by a PED user!

Why are people referring to the Charlo's, because I can read and I know what Julian Williams' tweet actually said?

I said insinuates. I never said he directly mentioned Jermall but his comments would logically allow one to deduce who he was talking about. Why would I deduce that? Jermall is a champion. Jermall is his one loss. Williams is asking for things Jermall isn’t asking for. Not that hard to figure out who he is talking about.

[diddy]

Holyfield and Tyson were juiced to the f’n gills most of their careers.

[Deleted_Scenes]

They might not have been tested when Jermall did fight Williams. He didn't even have any type of WBC belt then.

The only testing for that fight, was the standard commission urine test, 2 hours before the fight. No VADA, no USADA, no nothing. Stephen Edwards asked for it, but team Charlo didn't want it so it never happened.

All speculation

Im guessing j rock v charlo was usada testing. Haymon had those test results delivered to pbc brass only. Its entirely possible charlo tested positive and j rock caught wind of it. But again that is purely speculative

No USADA. Nobody could have failed, because nobody was tested during camp.

Back at the time of the fight, it was Edwards who was suspicious, because the A-side (Charlo) could have asked for anything they wanted, yet never mentioned ped testing once.

[diddy]

The only testing for that fight, was the standard commission urine test, 2 hours before the fight. No VADA, no USADA, no nothing. Stephen Edwards asked for it, but team Charlo didn't want it so it never happened.



No USADA. Nobody could have failed, because nobody was tested during camp.

Back at the time of the fight, it was Edwards who was suspicious, because the A-side (Charlo) could have asked for anything they wanted, yet never mentioned ped testing once.

Bingo bango bongo. Williams is talking about Charlo without saying his name.