Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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I think Joshua may be able to adjust to Wilders style and beat him by keeping away as Fury almost successfully did, I doubt Josh would risk it and try to ko him. Would love to see Whyte get really inside on him. Dirty and dogged, maybe keep away from his right cross by keeping him too close.... Risky fornicating business I admit😂
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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oogiebe wrote: 21 May 2019, 12:04 I don't know how the live broadcast did, but reports say that the replay went viral on Twitter with over 10 million views.
Yh. The KO itself has been seen many times. Plus the fight was only 1 round.

I’ve watched the whole round like 5 times plus.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Thedoogie wrote: 21 May 2019, 12:30 I think Joshua may be able to adjust to Wilders style and beat him by keeping away as Fury almost successfully did, I doubt Josh would risk it and try to ko him. Would love to see Whyte get really inside on him. Dirty and dogged, maybe keep away from his right cross by keeping him too close.... Risky effing business I admit😂
Very risky but the only tactic that gives him any chance. Dillian is a much improved boxer but he isn't good enough to rely on his defence at Wilder's optimum distance, especially since he will also be at a disadvantage in speed. Keep it close, rough him up, bully him, and throw that left hook at his ribs. Not easy to accomplish but it's Whyte's only way to win.

People question whether Joshua can keep away from Wilder's right hand for twelve rounds? I say "Not a chance, but he won't need to". If he can avoid getting tagged long enough to land his own artillery, then should win the fight. There's no guarantee that he will be the one who lands first with the heavy stuff, but being the better schooled fighter should swing the odds in his favour.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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candyslim wrote: 24 May 2019, 08:22 Very risky but the only tactic that gives him any chance. Dillian is a much improved boxer but he isn't good enough to rely on his defence at Wilder's optimum distance, especially since he will also be at a disadvantage in speed. Keep it close, rough him up, bully him, and throw that left hook at his ribs. Not easy to accomplish but it's Whyte's only way to win.
Wilder WILL land that right hand at some point, maybe not flush, or maybe it can be. It's what AJ does after being hit which will be important.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 May 2019, 08:46 Wilder WILL land that right hand at some point, maybe not flush, or maybe it can be. It's what AJ does after being hit which will be important.
Um...he goes down? :maybe:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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candyslim wrote: 24 May 2019, 08:22 Very risky but the only tactic that gives him any chance. Dillian is a much improved boxer but he isn't good enough to rely on his defence at Wilder's optimum distance, especially since he will also be at a disadvantage in speed. Keep it close, rough him up, bully him, and throw that left hook at his ribs. Not easy to accomplish but it's Whyte's only way to win.

People question whether Joshua can keep away from Wilder's right hand for twelve rounds? I say "Not a chance, but he won't need to". If he can avoid getting tagged long enough to land his own artillery, then should win the fight. There's no guarantee that he will be the one who lands first with the heavy stuff, but being the better schooled fighter should swing the odds in his favour.
ya thats the thing for me, they can both ko each other, its not simply a question of one being able to avoid the big shot for 12 rounds
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 May 2019, 08:46 Wilder WILL land that right hand at some point, maybe not flush, or maybe it can be. It's what AJ does after being hit which will be important.
Maybe, maybe not. Imagine for a moment that Charles Martin punched even harder than Wilder does. How would that have affected the course of his fight with Joshua?

Joshua was respectful of Martin's power but when the opening presented itself, he fired in a perfect straight right counter which lifted Martin off his feet. If Martin had miraculously doubled his punching power it would have made no difference whatsoever.

I'm not saying that he would demolish Wilder with similar ease, but it is a distinct possibility. Wilder is just as much at risk from Joshua's power as Joshua is of Wilder 's maybe more so because of the difference in technical ability.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Regarding Aj vs Wilder im going to be Mr.sitonthefence.com and say it's 50/50 match up. AJ took a lot of full hits when he fought Povetkin. He went a bit too toe to toe for my liking. I think he could easily come unstuck if wilder finds an angle. Wilder is well capable of landing a clean enough shot on AJ over 12 rounds, and let's not kid ourselves, Wilders throwing power is simply incredible. If he goes for the riskier KO, I think Aj would have to finish wilder sooner rather than later. Or he could dance outside for 12 rounds and get an inevitable decision (like the Parker bout) . Also, let's say AJ trys to nail him with a neat combo in the 1st 4 rounds. What's to say wilder can't just shrug it off? Wilder has an excellent chin in my opinion. Fury didn't bother him (OK, that's not much to shout about), but Ortiz didn't really rock him as much as people say. I certainly haven't seen wilder rocked, and I'd say if he goes down he is getting straight up. Anyway, I really hope to see this fight soon. It really makes for the most intriguing heavyweight match up in at least a decade.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Thedoogie wrote: 26 May 2019, 10:14 Regarding Aj vs Wilder im going to be Mr.sitonthefence.com and say it's 50/50 match up. AJ took a lot of full hits when he fought Povetkin. He went a bit too toe to toe for my liking. I think he could easily come unstuck if wilder finds an angle. Wilder is well capable of landing a clean enough shot on AJ over 12 rounds, and let's not kid ourselves, Wilders throwing power is simply incredible. If he goes for the riskier KO, I think Aj would have to finish wilder sooner rather than later. Or he could dance outside for 12 rounds and get an inevitable decision (like the Parker bout) . Also, let's say AJ trys to nail him with a neat combo in the 1st 4 rounds. What's to say wilder can't just shrug it off? Wilder has an excellent chin in my opinion. Fury didn't bother him (OK, that's not much to shout about), but Ortiz didn't really rock him as much as people say. I certainly haven't seen wilder rocked, and I'd say if he goes down he is getting straight up. Anyway, I really hope to see this fight soon. It really makes for the most intriguing heavyweight match up in at least a decade.
Reasonable post! :TU:
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oogiebe wrote: 26 May 2019, 11:01 Reasonable post! :TU:
Is that allowed?
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SenorPipino wrote: 26 May 2019, 11:09 Is that allowed?
:lol: LMFAO! Good question!
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Going down isn’t the issue providing you can get up.

Joshua has shown he can take a huge shot off a top, top level puncher when he got off the canvas after Wlad detonated a massive right hand on his nut.

So many variations, that’s why it needs to happen!

Regarding the ‘Joshua can’t avoid Wilder for 12 rounds’ chat. What’s to say Wilder can’t avoid Joshua for one round? Wilder has been down and been rocked by much lighter punchers than Joshua. Can Wilder stop Joshua? Like the majority, I believe so. Can Joshua stop Wilder? I’d say without a doubt.

Wilder would never have fought anyone like Joshua. He’s bigger, stronger, better boxer and can be very aggressive. Fury was negative but I believe he had Wilder bothered a couple of times but it’s always safety first with Tyson. Joshua is a different animal entirely. Too much is made of how Joshua reacts to what Wilder does, I believe the same question but in reverse is key. Wilder might go in to his shell a bit? He was very passive at times against Fury

I’d favour Joshua 60/40.

It needs to happen!
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Agree with most of that lillywhite, although as a spurs fan I would be somewhat biased :TU:. I do however think that wlad let AJ off the hook (excuse the pun) after the knock down. I really think Joshua was there for the taking and if Wilder smells blood, no way will he be messing around. That said, he could gas himself out against AJ if Josh can survive a barrage (Wilders accuracy is pretty awful when he gets hot headed) . Wilder looked fucked after Fury got up off the canvas in the 12th.

I also think that Wilder was more frustrated by Furys movement than going into his shell. I actually thought wilder was trying way too hard for almost every round.

Anyway let's hope they actually fight. I will seriously consider giving up on finally heavyweight boxing if it doesn't happen.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Fury definitely limited his output with his slipperiness and movement. The most interesting thing in a rematch for me is I said early in the fight that wilder was pushing his right at an odd arc. Was that fury or was it really compromised? I think that answer gives you the winner. Deontay has more to improve on, but fury could actually punch more.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Thedoogie wrote: 26 May 2019, 10:14 Regarding Aj vs Wilder im going to be Mr.sitonthefence.com and say it's 50/50 match up. AJ took a lot of full hits when he fought Povetkin. He went a bit too toe to toe for my liking. I think he could easily come unstuck if wilder finds an angle. Wilder is well capable of landing a clean enough shot on AJ over 12 rounds, and let's not kid ourselves, Wilders throwing power is simply incredible. If he goes for the riskier KO, I think Aj would have to finish wilder sooner rather than later. Or he could dance outside for 12 rounds and get an inevitable decision (like the Parker bout) . Also, let's say AJ trys to nail him with a neat combo in the 1st 4 rounds. What's to say wilder can't just shrug it off? Wilder has an excellent chin in my opinion. Fury didn't bother him (OK, that's not much to shout about), but Ortiz didn't really rock him as much as people say. I certainly haven't seen wilder rocked, and I'd say if he goes down he is getting straight up. Anyway, I really hope to see this fight soon. It really makes for the most intriguing heavyweight match up in at least a decade.
if he wasnt rocked vs ortz then what was he?

tbh you say 50-50 but sounds more as though you go dw....what does aj do for you to have 50-50?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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jamamb wrote: 26 May 2019, 18:00 if he wasnt rocked vs ortz then what was he?

tbh you say 50-50 but sounds more as though you go dw....what does aj do for you to have 50-50?
I'd say he was almost taken out. At least that's how I felt when it was happening.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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agree....beyond me how he says wlder wasnt rocked there
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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jamamb wrote: 26 May 2019, 18:06 agree....beyond me how he says wlder wasnt rocked there
Yup. One of the things that elevated Wilder in my eyes was how he survived that without at least going down.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Deontay Wilder vs. Dominic Breazeale - May 18, 2019

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Just watched round 8 of the ortiz wilder fight again. Yea, OK, I agree that he is definitely rocked. But, he deals with some serious punishment very well I think. He still has the wherewithal to keep putting out his jab and he also continually tries to tie ortiz up. He has good survival instincts. Also, he never appears spun out, his legs don't buckle, he is still almost a threat with a counter. Not to mention he comes back into the fight very strong indeed. But Anthony is the same under pressure, the pair of them can suck it up very well. Two warriors.
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