Shannon Briggs

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 26 May 2006, 03:02

He won again last night, would be interesting if he got a chance against Wladimir Klitschko, can't see it happening though

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 26 May 2006, 04:12

If there is any heavy less deserving of a title shot at the minute its Briggs he has been fighting guys that shouldnt be in the same ring as him for a few years now and calling it a winning streak!!

Any fighter that has fallen so far has to go on a stacy goodson card and be handed a 1st round ko would get mullered by wlad.

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 26 May 2006, 04:14

Have to agree, he fights nothing but bums and seems to be quite happy doing it.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 26 May 2006, 04:50

All very true, but Wlad isn't that good either and the other champions like Valuev are awful

Apart from Wlad I would bank on him beating the others without major problems

Technically he is sound

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 26 May 2006, 05:04

I dunno, i'd maybe back him against Valuev but wouldn't make him favorite against Rahman, Maskaev, Lyakhovich or Brewster.

What's his ranking like, is he close to getting a shot at any of the champs?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 26 May 2006, 05:21

when he was 225 he would have had a chance of doing a Sanders of Wlad... now he is 260+ he will be a sitting duck for Wlads 1-2.

Anyone who cannot beat Botha, Fields or McCline clearly isnt an elite heavy.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 26 May 2006, 05:25

The one thing that Briggs has is a punch, For the first 5 rounds i'd give him a chance against any of the top heavyweights, I'm not so sure he could keep going into the later rounds though.

He's a definate dangerman though.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 May 2006, 05:35

Lenny Albert wrote:I dunno, i'd maybe back him against Valuev but wouldn't make him favorite against Rahman, Maskaev, Lyakhovich or Brewster.

What's his ranking like, is he close to getting a shot at any of the champs?

Not too sure about that. He was 273 for Wednesdays fight and was apparently blowing after 2 rounds with a complete stiff. Unless he KO'd Valuev early he'd lose.

Lets not forget Briggs has never really beaten anyone decent, his decision over Foreman was bullshit he lost that fight.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 26 May 2006, 05:39

Who is a elite heavy nowadays

No one!!!

Wlad has only got a 1-2 and really just a strait right, predictable and a glass chin.
Rahman has no real boxing ability - just strong and punches
Toney isn't a heavyweight - just a fat unfit pisstake to boxing
Lyakovich is pretty average
Valuev is awful - cannot box or fight, just big - ruiz did honestly beat him

Briggs has always had a stamina problem and unfit, in good shape he is the best technically out there, boxing ability wise.

But early on he could KO / definately be better than whats around at moment

If his up for it I think he can win a world title and bring some life into the shittest heavyweight division in the history of boxing, because his a character / entertaining and fights from his heart. Imagine if he was WBC Champ not Rahman, the interest in the heavyweight scene would go up

Watch the fight he had against Lennox and then speak. He is still a proper contender!! and quite a good puncher.

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 26 May 2006, 05:51

Boxing Addict wrote:Who is a elite heavy nowadays

No one!!!

Wlad has only got a 1-2 and really just a strait right, predictable and a glass chin.
Rahman has no real boxing ability - just strong and punches
Toney isn't a heavyweight - just a fat unfit pisstake to boxing
Lyakovich is pretty average
Valuev is awful - cannot box or fight, just big - ruiz did honestly beat him

Briggs has always had a stamina problem and unfit, in good shape he is the best technically out there, boxing ability wise.

But early on he could KO / definately be better than whats around at moment

If his up for it I think he can win a world title and bring some life into the shittest heavyweight division in the history of boxing, because his a character / entertaining and fights from his heart. Imagine if he was WBC Champ not Rahman, the interest in the heavyweight scene would go up

Watch the fight he had against Lennox and then speak. He is still a proper contender!! and quite a good puncher.

No way briggs is a contender for anything at the minute he would get eaten alive by any of the top guys you mentioned hell even in his prime he couldnt stay at the top when he was in shape! Hes older, heavier and hasnt faced any decent competition in five years.

Wlad is the best technical genuine heavy around by miles briggs would get his boots smoked if they met.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 26 May 2006, 06:01

achybreaky wrote:
Boxing Addict wrote:Who is a elite heavy nowadays

No one!!!

Wlad has only got a 1-2 and really just a strait right, predictable and a glass chin.
Rahman has no real boxing ability - just strong and punches
Toney isn't a heavyweight - just a fat unfit pisstake to boxing
Lyakovich is pretty average
Valuev is awful - cannot box or fight, just big - ruiz did honestly beat him

Briggs has always had a stamina problem and unfit, in good shape he is the best technically out there, boxing ability wise.

But early on he could KO / definately be better than whats around at moment

If his up for it I think he can win a world title and bring some life into the shittest heavyweight division in the history of boxing, because his a character / entertaining and fights from his heart. Imagine if he was WBC Champ not Rahman, the interest in the heavyweight scene would go up

Watch the fight he had against Lennox and then speak. He is still a proper contender!! and quite a good puncher.
No way briggs is a contender for anything at the minute he would get eaten alive by any of the top guys you mentioned hell even in his prime he couldnt stay at the top when he was in shape! Hes older, heavier and hasnt faced any decent competition in five years.

Wlad is the best technical genuine heavy around by miles briggs would get his boots smoked if they met.

Is that the same Wlad that was KO'd by Sanders, Couldn't stand up after 5 rounds of a fight he was winning against Brewster and got decked everytime Samuel Peter connected with his chin?

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 26 May 2006, 06:30

topper123 wrote:
achybreaky wrote:
Boxing Addict wrote:Who is a elite heavy nowadays

No one!!!

Wlad has only got a 1-2 and really just a strait right, predictable and a glass chin.
Rahman has no real boxing ability - just strong and punches
Toney isn't a heavyweight - just a fat unfit pisstake to boxing
Lyakovich is pretty average
Valuev is awful - cannot box or fight, just big - ruiz did honestly beat him

Briggs has always had a stamina problem and unfit, in good shape he is the best technically out there, boxing ability wise.

But early on he could KO / definately be better than whats around at moment

If his up for it I think he can win a world title and bring some life into the shittest heavyweight division in the history of boxing, because his a character / entertaining and fights from his heart. Imagine if he was WBC Champ not Rahman, the interest in the heavyweight scene would go up

Watch the fight he had against Lennox and then speak. He is still a proper contender!! and quite a good puncher.
No way briggs is a contender for anything at the minute he would get eaten alive by any of the top guys you mentioned hell even in his prime he couldnt stay at the top when he was in shape! Hes older, heavier and hasnt faced any decent competition in five years.

Wlad is the best technical genuine heavy around by miles briggs would get his boots smoked if they met.
Is that the same Wlad that was KO'd by Sanders, Couldn't stand up after 5 rounds of a fight he was winning against Brewster and got decked everytime Samuel Peter connected with his chin?

Yeah its the same guy these fights have no bearing on his technical abilities though do they now.

Sanders caught him with some big shots that a lot of heavys would have had trouble handling. Brewster was getting his head punched off him and if his chin wasnt as good as it is he would have been knocked out early but he got the win in the 5th which some people seem to think is a bit fishy (im not one of them though he won fair and square) but then lets leave that to the conspiracy theorists.

Somebody should tell samuel PETER that the chin is at the front of the head and not the back cos he didnt connect with wlads chin once.

I never said his chin was the best i said his technical skills were.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 26 May 2006, 06:58

I have a great deal of respect for Wlad, anyone that can come back from those 2 defeats and win a title deserves it. But i'm convinced that the next time a world class puncher lands on his chin he is going to be KO'd.

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 26 May 2006, 07:09

topper123 wrote:I have a great deal of respect for Wlad, anyone that can come back from those 2 defeats and win a title deserves it. But i'm convinced that the next time a world class puncher lands on his chin he is going to be KO'd.

Its quite possible but then anybody can be knocked out when the big boys are in there. Wlad has improved quite a bit defensively but there will always be the doubts about his chin.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 May 2006, 07:24

Lets see him in with McCline again before even remotely calling him a contender.

I suspect he knows he hasn't got it a top ten level, thats why he wants the champions only - for the payday.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 May 2006, 07:39

Boxing Addict wrote:Who is a elite heavy nowadays

No one!!!

Wlad has only got a 1-2 and really just a strait right, predictable and a glass chin.
Rahman has no real boxing ability - just strong and punches
Toney isn't a heavyweight - just a fat unfit pisstake to boxing
Lyakovich is pretty average
Valuev is awful - cannot box or fight, just big - ruiz did honestly beat him

Briggs has always had a stamina problem and unfit, in good shape he is the best technically out there, boxing ability wise.

But early on he could KO / definately be better than whats around at moment

If his up for it I think he can win a world title and bring some life into the shittest heavyweight division in the history of boxing, because his a character / entertaining and fights from his heart. Imagine if he was WBC Champ not Rahman, the interest in the heavyweight scene would go up

Watch the fight he had against Lennox and then speak. He is still a proper contender!! and quite a good puncher.

Rubbish, Wlad has a good left hook and is pretty good at left hookin off a jab thats more than a 1-2.