Why doesn’t America create a national commission and take over boxing?

[Jorgegjana416]

Like every other sport, why doesn’t America regulate its boxing scene with a national commission and then it would be easier to manage dope cheats and sanction fights across the nation. Boxing is so messy in the USA. That’s prolly why it’s died here. Wilder is American and he’s the WBC champ and literally nobody knows who he is here. Maybe 4 out of 100 people might recognize the face or think the name is familiar. Such a huge fall from the popularity that’s Rocky Marciano it Muhammad Ali enjoyed. What do you guys think is holding America back from regulating the sport properly?

[ldlamb]

What do you mean “every other sport”....most professional sports in the US (football, baseball, basketball) are almost completely run by private businesses.

[Bjl12]

MMA continues to do well in the US largely because its simpler and straightforward.

One weight class, one champion - not rocket science. And theres also a lot less weight classes available.

Another important aspect of UFC is how the best are forced to fight the best. Managers and promoters cant control any fighters career in the UFC.

PBC - which apparently might be for sale - keeps trying to remake Floyd Mayweather and they're failing horribly. Nobody knows who Spence or Wilder are. They both fight too infrequently versus lesser competition.

Floyd made 24/7, did DWTS, stayed active on Twitter/YT, was controversial, had public events like being arrested, had an entire scandal with Manny Pacquiao that lasted years in regards to drug testing. That is serious publicity.

[sturm vogel]

Is there anything you don't want the Public State to do?

[tiny_acres]

Is there anything you don't want the Public State to do?

The less the government gets involved the better.
Government can screw it up even worse

[jamamb]

the less government the better , except where private life is concerned

[leejonesjnr]

MMA continues to do well in the US largely because its simpler and straightforward.

One weight class, one champion - not rocket science. And theres also a lot less weight classes available.

Another important aspect of UFC is how the best are forced to fight the best. Managers and promoters cant control any fighters career in the UFC.

PBC - which apparently might be for sale - keeps trying to remake Floyd Mayweather and they're failing horribly. Nobody knows who Spence or Wilder are. They both fight too infrequently versus lesser competition.

Floyd made 24/7, did DWTS, stayed active on Twitter/YT, was controversial, had public events like being arrested, had an entire scandal with Manny Pacquiao that lasted years in regards to drug testing. That is serious publicity.

MMA doesn’t have one champion per weight division.

[Jorgegjana416]

Is there anything you don't want the Public State to do?

Jesus, how do you turn a boxing thread into a right wing/left wing debate?

I guess we should allow 10,000 vampires to manage 5,000 boxers and get rich off them as the boxers in return get screwed and God forbid brain damage in the end.

[Jorgegjana416]

Is there anything you don't want the Public State to do?

Jesus, how do you turn a boxing thread into a right wing/left wing debate?

I guess we should allow 10,000 vampires to manage 5,000 boxers and get rich off them as the boxers in return get screwed and God forbid brain damage in the end.

[Jorgegjana416]

What do you mean “every other sport”....most professional sports in the US (football, baseball, basketball) are almost completely run by private businesses.

Yes but they are national leagues. They run the whole sport. I don’t care if it’s public or private I just want boxing run by one entity so we can get the best fighting the best and have clear results. None of this promoter vs promoter. Two businessmen discussing the lives of two fighters. It’s so 1800’s

[Jorgegjana416]

MMA continues to do well in the US largely because its simpler and straightforward.

One weight class, one champion - not rocket science. And theres also a lot less weight classes available.

Another important aspect of UFC is how the best are forced to fight the best. Managers and promoters cant control any fighters career in the UFC.

UFC does good nationally but globally speaking boxing is still many levels above. Other than Conor the world doesn’t know any fighters. Also The UFC ruined itself with this ESPN+ deal. Now they put up two barriers for people to watch UFC as Brendan Schaub said which will destroy the casual market which will in turn destroy the mainstream hype surrounding fights. The next time anyone other than Conor fights nobody will care to watch.

[JimStone]

MMA continues to do well in the US largely because its simpler and straightforward.

One weight class, one champion - not rocket science. And theres also a lot less weight classes available.

Another important aspect of UFC is how the best are forced to fight the best. Managers and promoters cant control any fighters career in the UFC.

PBC - which apparently might be for sale - keeps trying to remake Floyd Mayweather and they're failing horribly. Nobody knows who Spence or Wilder are. They both fight too infrequently versus lesser competition.

Floyd made 24/7, did DWTS, stayed active on Twitter/YT, was controversial, had public events like being arrested, had an entire scandal with Manny Pacquiao that lasted years in regards to drug testing. That is serious publicity.

You are conflating MMA with UFC. There are lots of belts and champions in each weight division in MMA. It's simply a fact that the UFC promotional product has such a significant share of the market, casual followers think it's the only show in town.

A boxing promotional banner having its own belts and champions and enough credibility to be seen as 'boxing' could happen in theory.

[jamamb]

i remember when pbc started sometimes they wouldnt announce abc titles and there was thought they would try to shift to a pbc title

[ldlamb]

Yes but they are national leagues. They run the whole sport. I don’t care if it’s public or private I just want boxing run by one entity so we can get the best fighting the best and have clear results. None of this promoter vs promoter. Two businessmen discussing the lives of two fighters. It’s so 1800’s

But that’s only because they won out. There is nothing stopping other leagues from starting and competing other than market forces, The XFL is starting again.....50 years ago there were two football, basketball and hockey leagues that eventually merged.

As someone pointed out, there is more than 1 MMA organization.

Now if by some set of circumstances, boxing ended up existing under some sort of UFC model, maybe that would be good....but I don’t see any way that could just be mandated.

[IKSRTFO]

MMA continues to do well in the US largely because its simpler and straightforward.

One weight class, one champion - not rocket science. And theres also a lot less weight classes available.

Another important aspect of UFC is how the best are forced to fight the best. Managers and promoters cant control any fighters career in the UFC.

PBC - which apparently might be for sale - keeps trying to remake Floyd Mayweather and they're failing horribly. Nobody knows who Spence or Wilder are. They both fight too infrequently versus lesser competition.

Floyd made 24/7, did DWTS, stayed active on Twitter/YT, was controversial, had public events like being arrested, had an entire scandal with Manny Pacquiao that lasted years in regards to drug testing. That is serious publicity.

That's not really the reason because there are more than one MMA champion per weightclass. There is one UFC champion per weight class. There is also one Bellator champion per weight class. Just so happens, UFC is so much bigger, it's recognized by the public as "MMA" when MMA is much more vast than just the UFC. What you're describing is if PBC creates their own belt and it ends up being the recognized champion.

[squiggy]

The less the government gets involved the better.
Government can screw it up even worse

It's very strange to me how people feel a need to say things like this even when the topic at hand is private organizations that have demonstrably, perhaps irreparably screwed things up. "Thank God it was one kind of organization that none of us has power over rather than another kind!"

[tiny_acres]

It's very strange to me how people feel a need to say things like this even when the topic at hand is private organizations that have demonstrably, perhaps irreparably screwed things up. "Thank God it was one kind of organization that none of us has power over rather than another kind!"

The topic at hand was why does America not govern boxing.
The constitution was created to limit government involvement. It was not meant to run every aspect of our lives.
If you think government control of every aspect of your life is a good thing. Well good for you.
I happen to feel that the less involvement the government has in my everyday life is what and why the country was founded..

[leejonesjnr]

So it’s possible to argue that MMA is in a worse position as boxing unifications can be difficult but MMA unifications are impossible.

[HomicideHenry]

Before the alphabet groups there WAS an American board called the N.B.A. and most World Champion's were N.B.A. title holders. Then came the I.B.C. which was basically controlled by the mob, but in all honesty so was the N.B.A. corruptible.

[Enlightened-One]

Like every other sport, why doesn’t America regulate its boxing scene with a national commission and then it would be easier to manage dope cheats and sanction fights across the nation. Boxing is so messy in the USA. That’s prolly why it’s died here. Wilder is American and he’s the WBC champ and literally nobody knows who he is here. Maybe 4 out of 100 people might recognize the face or think the name is familiar. Such a huge fall from the popularity that’s Rocky Marciano it Muhammad Ali enjoyed. What do you guys think is holding America back from regulating the sport properly?

If the sport of boxing really is "dead" in the US, then why does it generate so much money in that territory? It has to come from somewhere, surely? Why are so many American film makers creating boxing movies?

Boxing may be less popular in the US in comparison to previous years, but it is a global sport, one that Americans no longer dominate, which inevitably results in many high-profile marquee world title bouts not being staged American shores.

[JohnMcMinn]

Because we Americans have an odd relationship with government regulation. We want more and less of it at the same time. I don't think a national commission would be any less corrupt than local commissions, nor would a national commission raise the profile of someone like Wilder. That responsibility belongs to his promoters, managers, and Wilder himself. It would be nice to see more consistency between the commissions though. You shouldn't be denied a license in Nevada but granted a license in a lax state like West Virginia, for example.

[Onetimeonly]

Americans couldn't care less about boxing.

[tiny_acres]

Because we Americans have an odd relationship with government regulation. We want more and less of it at the same time. I don't think a national commission would be any less corrupt than local commissions, nor would a national commission raise the profile of someone like Wilder. That responsibility belongs to his promoters, managers, and Wilder himself. It would be nice to see more consistency between the commissions though. You shouldn't be denied a license in Nevada but granted a license in a lax state like West Virginia, for example.

Nicely said sir.

[Jorgegjana416]

The topic at hand was why does America not govern boxing.
The constitution was created to limit government involvement. It was not meant to run every aspect of our lives.
If you think government control of every aspect of your life is a good thing. Well good for you.
I happen to feel that the less involvement the government has in my everyday life is what and why the country was founded..

So are you actually going to suggest that professional boxing is more well off than amateur boxing which is governed by the state? The state is corrupt yes, especially in America but when it comes to sports I think the state would do better than the vampires we have now. The state governing boxing and putting their namesake on the line is 1,000 times better than leaving boxers in the hands of people like Don King, Shelly Finkel, JAY Z, who if you’ve heard is in hot waters right now for forcing one of his Roc Nation fighters to fight three times in like 76 days and now he suffered a brain injury. If you think business men are better equipped to handle athletes than the government then you’ve been drinking The Fox News Kool-Aid a bit too much. This isn’t some Democrat-Republican debate dude. Get a head on your shoulders and think.

Amateur boxing is so much better than professional boxing. The best fight the best and they are properly crowned for it. If we had one commission here, public or private it would be a lot better and the fighters would benefit from it in my opinion.

Leaving boxing the way it is now is like backyard YoUTube fights where starts might sometimes intermingle but other than that it’s just a strong guy fighting bums for notoriety and little money until his final few years in the sport.

[tiny_acres]

So are you actually going to suggest that professional boxing is more well off than amateur boxing which is governed by the state? The state is corrupt yes, especially in America but when it comes to sports I think the state would do better than the vampires we have now. The state governing boxing and putting their namesake on the line is 1,000 times better than leaving boxers in the hands of people like Don King, Shelly Finkel, JAY Z, who if you’ve heard is in hot waters right now for forcing one of his Roc Nation fighters to fight three times in like 76 days and now he suffered a brain injury. If you think business men are better equipped to handle athletes than the government then you’ve been drinking The Fox News Kool-Aid a bit too much. This isn’t some Democrat-Republican debate dude. Get a head on your shoulders and think.

Amateur boxing is so much better than professional boxing. The best fight the best and they are properly crowned for it. If we had one commission here, public or private it would be a lot better and the fighters would benefit from it in my opinion.

Leaving boxing the way it is now is like backyard YoUTube fights where starts might sometimes intermingle but other than that it’s just a strong guy fighting bums for notoriety and little money until his final few years in the sport.

1st off I do not buy in to a 2 party system and I find Fox news to be as much of a joke as the rest of the media.
And yes I trust common everyday people to run business over government.
I will never understand how anyone would trust the government more than the citizens it tries to control