Fury is the real ducker

[candyslim]

He said he’d do it for the Diamond belt and it’s a fun fight we all want to see. There’s no excuse for it not to happen. I didn’t watch Wilder’s last fight, I won’t watch Joshua Ruiz and I won’t watch Fury Schwarz (which is the worst match up of the three by a long stretch) either.

Doesn't it bother you that the WBC are throwing up name after name for Dillian Whyte to beat before they'll give the bloke a title shot?

He's beaten Chisora twice, the man tipped to follow Klitschko - Robert Helenius, the then unbeaten Lucas Browne, a young and talented former champion in Joe Parker, a dangerous Oscar Rivas and now the poor schmuck is expected to fight Tyson Fury for the right to face Wilder at least a year from now, and you can probably double that.

Dill is 100% warrior and he'll fight fight Fury or ferkin Godzilla if he has to, but he isn't invincible and he will lose within the next year or two at the outside almost certainly without getting a shot at the belt.

You might be ok with that, like you say "it's a fun fight" but I think the way he has been treated stinks. Just watch while Kownacki gets the next mandatory slot.

[Finkel]

Kownacki won't need the next mandatory slot.
It won't be another 2 years before the WBC will expect Wilder to fight a mandatory again.

Kownacki will already have had his cherry picked by then

[candyslim]

What you mean having been recently KTFOed by Wilder might exclude Kownacki from consideration ? Hmm that is a possibility I admit

[candyslim]

He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

Fury is Fury. Nothing that you, I or Jehova say or think is going to change anything. I'm sure the criticism doesn't bother him one bit.

I don't read or respond to that format.

Don't respond to that format. Don't respond to posts of more than two paragraphs. A right picky bugger aren't you?

The reason I respond sometimes using that format is so I can address every point individually rather than cherry-picking the part I want to answer while conveniently ignoring the rest. Still you can please yourself.

[Onetimeonly]

Fury is Fury. Nothing that you, I or Jehova say or think is going to change anything. I'm sure the criticism doesn't bother him one bit.

Don't respond to that format. Don't respond to posts of more than two paragraphs. A right picky bugger aren't you?

The reason I respond sometimes using that format is so I can address every point individually rather than cherry-picking the part I want to answer while conveniently ignoring the rest. Still you can please yourself.

I already know what I said. Don't need to read it again. That's a jumbled mess. I might make an effort if I haven't already read your bullshit a million times.

[punchoutsb]

This thread is so gossipy high school kids arguing over yearbook photos

It’s amazing how knee jerk emotional sports make people.

[oogiebe]

This thread is so gossipy high school kids arguing over yearbook photos

It’s amazing how knee jerk emotional sports make people.

LOL! You know it's bad when you are considering unsubscribing from your own thread!

[punchoutsb]

LOL! You know it's bad when you are considering unsubscribing from your own thread!

I hear you...though the thread itself is also a good example

[oogiebe]

He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

Fair post.

[Thomastearns]

He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

I'm sure Fury is well aware (as politicians have been proving time and time again the world over) that the public have short memories when it comes to equating promises to actions. Like most politicians he has no interest in delivering anything to anyone other than himself.

His regular promises of demolishing or destroying his opponents belie the fact that he has only had one knockout in 27 fights!
Remember what he was going to do to Klitschko? Or Wilder? Or what he's now promising to do to AJ?

You can call Tyson Fury many things, but honest isn't one of them. But hey it's difficult to sell a fight by threatening to run and shadowbox for 12 rounds!

Besides, he knows only too well that the public won't remember - they have other things to worry about, like keeping themselves and their family's heads above water.

[oogiebe]

I hear you...though the thread itself is also a good example

Maybe, but I was trying to point out how Fury gets a pass and Wilder is usually attacked. Things got a bit too personal here...again.

[jamamb]

well tbh ive seen fury get a bunch of crap for this, im not sure hes really getting a pass...though im sure theres some overlap with the ppl who hate on wilder and the ppl who say fair play to fury for this

[punchoutsb]

Maybe, but I was trying to point out how Fury gets a pass and Wilder is usually attacked. Things got a bit too personal here...again.

You’re a good poster oog, but you surely realize that over emotional boxing fans are prone to hypocrisy and hyperbole.

Also, Fury’s been lambasted on here for fighting Schwarz so I don’t think he’s gotten a pass for anything.

[oogiebe]

You’re a good poster oog, but you surely realize that over emotional boxing fans are prone to hypocrisy and hyperbole.

Also, Fury’s been lambasted on here for fighting Schwarz so I don’t think he’s gotten a pass for anything.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Same to you. That said, it's unfortunate that many (not all and not most) posters let fandom get that best of them. I'm sure I've been guilty of it as well. Good points.

[Lackeos]

Fury fought Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Under no circumstances is he afraid of fighting scary opponents.

[candyslim]

I already know what I said. Don't need to read it again. That's a jumbled mess. I might make an effort if I haven't already read your bullshit a million times.

Oh dear, oh dear. You don't want to read what you wrote before. Well here's a solution you appear to have overlooked: Just read my responses. They are in between your comments and start off "cs" in order to help you differentiate. It really isn't that complicated.

Or don't bother. I don't care either way.

The post is too long ... the post in the wrong format. Always some pathetic excuse for failing to engage. Now who else does that sound like?

Don't bother to reply, I'll save you the effort ...

[Cyclops]

Doesn't it bother you that the WBC are throwing up name after name for Dillian Whyte to beat before they'll give the bloke a title shot?

He's beaten Chisora twice, the man tipped to follow Klitschko - Robert Helenius, the then unbeaten Lucas Browne, a young and talented former champion in Joe Parker, a dangerous Oscar Rivas and now the poor schmuck is expected to fight Tyson Fury for the right to face Wilder at least a year from now, and you can probably double that.

Dill is 100% warrior and he'll fight fight Fury or ferkin Godzilla if he has to, but he isn't invincible and he will lose within the next year or two at the outside almost certainly without getting a shot at the belt.

You might be ok with that, like you say "it's a fun fight" but I think the way he has been treated stinks. Just watch while Kownacki gets the next mandatory slot.

Not really.

You're really bigging up Whyte's resume too much. Chisora is one of my favourite fighters and he beat Dillian in the first fight and was beating him in the second before he was KO'd. Helenius hasn't been 'the man to follow Klitschko' for about 8 years, since he was exposed by... Chisora! He hasn't been impressive for a long long time. Lucas Browne has never been a genuine top 10 heavyweight and was almost stopped by a fat ancient Chagaev before rallying back, then got popped twice and has been a walking KO ever since. Those guys could both be Joe Joyce opponents. Parker, granted, is his best win and a solid performance in a good fight. Rivas will be a good fight too.

Besides the point, he was offered a chance at three of the belts against AJ and turned it down because he felt he was worth more money. That ship has sailed. Fury, even though he doesn't have a belt, is legitimately top 3, really beat Wilder, is arguably the best heavy anyway, and is as good (in my eyes) as getting a title shot anyway. Whyte-Fury is an A+ fight for the heavyweight division. It's fun. I don't know what you want from boxing but I want to enjoy it. Everybody would enjoy Fury-Whyte.

[candyslim]

What I want from boxing is to enjoy great fights between boxers of what seem to be fairly equal ability (before they fight) whether they are multi -weight world champions or local rivals or anywhere in between. Beyond that I want to see boxers given fair and equal treatment from the organizations that purport to regulate the sport (yeah fat chance).

Now I might have to plead guilty to "guilding the lily" in describing Whyte's opponents, if only to balance the "he weren't nuthin" comments which tend to be the standard 20/20 hindsight verdicts, but however you look at Whyte's roster of victims, I challenge you to name a heavyweight (who doesn't consider himself a world champion) who can boast a comparable record never mind a superior one.

So yes I would like to see Whyte fight Fury, but I'd much rather watch him fight Wilder. Even though I'd favour Wilder in that fight Dillian deserves his chance.

[candyslim]

Sorry Herr Clop I neglected to address your other point ...

I believe Whyte turned down the Joshua fight because he knew it's a huge risk and his lucrative UK PPV status may not survive a second defeat to AJ. As Whyte sees it, he has invested a lot of time, sanction fees, blood, sweat and tears in pursuit of Wilder. He wants his due.

Rightly or wrongly he sees Wilder as the easy option, and having dispatched Wilder the all UK Unification with AJ will be a mega fight as opposed to an unwelcome and uninspiring repeat which is how the majority of UK boxing fans were looking at the prospect of an April 2019 clash.

[Cyclops]

Now I might have to plead guilty to "guilding the lily" in describing Whyte's opponents, if only to balance the "he weren't nuthin" comments which tend to be the standard 20/20 hindsight verdicts, but however you look at Whyte's roster of victims, I challenge you to name a heavyweight (who doesn't consider himself a world champion) who can boast a comparable record never mind a superior one.

Challenge accepted!

Well, Joseph Parker's resume is comparable. An unbeaten Andy Ruiz Jnr (who in his next fight will take on AJ, a man Whyte has already been smashed by, for several baubles), A much fresher Carlos Takam who had only recently given Alexander Povetkin fits, unbeaten Hughie 'The Skirt' Fury, touted at the time to be the second coming of Jesus, one time top prospect turned gatekeeper Alexander Dimitrenko, Whyte may have outmanned Parker when they fought, but it was arguably a draw, and Parker did almost KO Whyte in the 12th. Parker was more competitive with AJ too, even hearing the final bell. He is also the former WBO champion.

Do you want me to go through Alexander Povetkin's record?

[ValMar]

If (a great IF) Fury has any strategy, I think it could be something like this : " I will face three or four C+/B- fighters, and after that I will have one more fight (before retirement) against the No. 1 HW".

[candyslim]

Yeah I'll give you Parker although Whyte did beat him albeit narrowly so you can't make a case for him being ahead in the queue. It sounds harsh but he lost his last two fights and needs to get back to winning.

Ruiz has only fought 3 times since his impressive 2016 controversial loss to Parker. Kevin Johnson and Alex Dimitrenko being the 'names'. Decent enough I guess but his chance of glory against Joshua tonight is entirely fortuitous and born out of circumstance.

Takam's tough fight with Povetkin was five years ago. His only wins since then were against Michael Sprott, Marcin Rekowski and Senad Gashi, do you see any of them beating Helenius?

Povetkin has a fine resumé but he was crushed by Joshua this year (after putting up a good show). Does anyone want to see him rematch AJ or challenge Wilder now. That ship is some way over the horizon next port Palookagrad.

Unbeaten Hughie Fury? Oh I see what you mean. He got schooled by Pulev, and edged out by Parker. His best wins are Andrei Rudenko, Fred Kassi and Sam Sexton, none of whom are top 30. Take out Rudenko and you could even say top 50. Touted as 'the second coming'? ... yeah maybe by his Dad.

A noble effort my friend, you might even claim victory because I said nothing about your nominee(s) being as deserving or more so than Whyte of the next shot at Wilder so I can't backtrack now can I ?

I do think your lack of sympathy for his treatment is callous though, sorry.

[oogiebe]

Yeah I'll give you Parker although Whyte did beat him albeit narrowly so you can't make a case for him being ahead in the queue. It sounds harsh but he lost his last two fights and needs to get back to winning.

Ruiz has only fought 3 times since his impressive 2016 controversial loss to Parker. Kevin Johnson and Alex Dimitrenko being the 'names'. Decent enough I guess but his chance of glory against Joshua tonight is entirely fortuitous and born out of circumstance.

Takam's tough fight with Povetkin was five years ago. His only wins since then were against Michael Sprott, Marcin Rekowski and Senad Gashi, do you see any of them beating Helenius?

Povetkin has a fine resumé but he was crushed by Joshua this year (after putting up a good show). Does anyone want to see him rematch AJ or challenge Wilder now. That ship is some way over the horizon next port Palookagrad.

Unbeaten Hughie Fury? Oh I see what you mean. He got schooled by Pulev, and edged out by Parker. His best wins are Andrei Rudenko, Fred Kassi and Sam Sexton, none of whom are top 30. Take out Rudenko and you could even say top 50. Touted as 'the second coming'? ... yeah maybe by his Dad.

A noble effort my friend, you might even claim victory because I said nothing about your nominee(s) being as deserving or more so than Whyte of the next shot at Wilder so I can't backtrack now can I ?

I do think your lack of sympathy for his treatment is callous though, sorry.

Might you be more succinct? I glazed over half way through.

[candyslim]

Not asking you to read it Oogie. You please yourself.

[tiny_acres]

Sorry Herr Clop I neglected to address your other point ...

I believe Whyte turned down the Joshua fight because he knew it's a huge risk and his lucrative UK PPV status may not survive a second defeat to AJ. As Whyte sees it, he has invested a lot of time, sanction fees, blood, sweat and tears in pursuit of Wilder. He wants his due.

Rightly or wrongly he sees Wilder as the easy option, and having dispatched Wilder the all UK Unification with AJ will be a mega fight as opposed to an unwelcome and uninspiring repeat which is how the majority of UK boxing fans were looking at the prospect of an April 2019 clash.

Whyte wants Joshua. It's THE big money fight for him.
He will be lucky to make half the money fighting Wilder.