wilder vs fury 2 confirmed

[jamamb]

early 2020

wilder by ko this time

[oogiebe]

early 2020

wilder by ko this time

[ThereByTheGrace]

Fury pts

[lillywhite14]

You can’t blacklist the unified champ.

Joshua is who these two need to grow the bollocks to face

[jamamb]

crredible sources are confirming it

but doesnt it seem so odd to confirm it so long ahead of time?

i mean its still like another 4 months just till dw fights ort

[mickey1975]

You can’t blacklist the unified champ.

Joshua is who these two need to grow the bollocks to face

He’s been blacklisted. Maybe Del or Dave Allen for AJ. The public will be getting sick of him.

[tigermoth87]

Shame AJ is too much of a quacker to face them.

He knows Fury will outbox him snd Wilder will knock his lights out

[Nightmare Roy]

Shame AJ is too much of a quacker to face them.

He knows Fury will outbox him snd Wilder will knock his lights out

[mickey1975]

Shame AJ is too much of a quacker to face them.

He knows Fury will outbox him snd Wilder will knock his lights out

Eddie is going to be in big trouble if AJ spits his dummy out. The American dream hasn’t gone great.... I’ve never known a fight less talked about than this on my FB page. It’s all Champions League. And they’re 50% boxing people!

[Exoddus]

If Fury does fight Wilder again. Joshua is going to lose quite a few fans.

[overhand_right]

Fury boxes Joshua's head off and Wilder blows it off with his gun shot right. AJ is champion of the casuals division, Hearns knows it and will continue to milk it in the hope someone else neutralises Fury and Wilder.

[Steveh583]

So many people on social media seem to love the 'image' of AJ. Granted, he aesthetically looks the part i.e. How you'd want the heavyweight champ to look. But they act like his performances are beyond criticism. When I think about it now, he hasn't really looked that great since wlad (and not even then).

[Ezzard]

I'd make Joshua favourite against both of them.

Fury is the best HW of the era but cannot concentrate for the full 12 rounds. Wider can score the KO but I'd bet on AJ getting there first.

Have to say I'm a fan of all three.

[bripez]

Eddie is going to be in big trouble if AJ spits his dummy out. The American dream hasn’t gone great.... I’ve never known a fight less talked about than this on my FB page. It’s all Champions League. And they’re 50% boxing people!

Joshua is going to have to do a Ricky Hatton with young Edward

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Actually, really confirmed?

Tyson by KO

[jlh]

Fury should be able to squeeze another fight in before then.

Its not going to be a big name so would like to see him in against someone like Michael Hunter. Someone a bit quicker than a slow plodding Schwarz.

[samwbr]

Eddie is going to be in big trouble if AJ spits his dummy out. The American dream hasn’t gone great.... I’ve never known a fight less talked about than this on my FB page. It’s all Champions League. And they’re 50% boxing people!

Thousands flown out there disagree with you. Your obsessions on Hearn and Joshua are bizarre, it's childlike.

[samwbr]

early 2020

wilder by ko this time

I agree.

[keirw]

The rematch was inevitable from the moment the cards were read out. Just a pain that there will be such a long gap between fights.

I fancy Fury to win the rematch. Also now has Top Rank behind him, he will be getting a lot more money this time around, good for him.

As for AJ, all he can do is keep fighting credible opposition and winning, soon enough he will be in line for the winner.

Looks like 2020 may just be a big year for the Heavies

[liamlion]

You can’t blacklist the unified champ.

Joshua is who these two need to grow the bollocks to face

Ironically, I truly think it’s Joshua who needs Wilder and Fury to justify his alleged superstar status. He is operating on a far higher commercial level than Wilder and Fury combined and with that comes far higher demands, pressure and expectation. If you claim to be number 1 and hold most of the belts than you can reasonably be expected to clean out the division and get all the belts.

And when people criticise Wilder for not signing for the AJ fight, let’s just consider this.... Wilder is not being offered a one off fight. Instead he has been offered a 3 fight deal deal by DAZN, or at least was. Forgetting the Breazeale fight in that deal, fight 1 with AJ would see Wilder earn a reported $40m for fight 1. His team have no control over the promotion, which interestingly is one of the reasons Hearn rejected a previous offer from Wilder. Wilder is not disclosed what AJ will be earning nor disclosed the entire value of the fight. So it could end up that Wilder receives a 30-70% split (for example).

Wilder is chasing a 50-50 split for one fight. Personally, I think he’s worth it. Regardless of his past earnings, he holds a version of the world heavyweight title and the undisputed fight simply cannot happen without him. He therefore has considerable value particularly given that he will be earning AJ a career high payday. And if Hearn continues with his arrogance Team Wilder are literally going to continue to tell Eddie to piss-off and have some respect, which is what has happened. Eddie has literally publicised every part of the negotiations. I think if Wilder signs a deal he is entitled to know what the value of the fight is and what AJ will be earning.

If Wilder wins fight 1, he is contractually obliged to fight AJ in a rematch. Except Wilder gets the same purse as the first fight ($40m) whilst AJ will almost certainly get an increased purse and the lion share (again), even though he enters the fight as the loser. This is the exact same principle that caused Dillian Whyte to refuse to sign for a fight with AJ. As a matter of principle, it cannot be right that the loser coming into a rematch earns more than the defending, undisputed champion.

Hearn can makes as many public offers as he wants but the truth is that the terms he is proposing are not entirely reasonable, particularly when it comes to transparency of everyone’s earnings and the rematch terms are essentially an insurance policy pay-out to Team AJ.

The way team Wilder have played this is quite clever I think. They have driven up the offers massively and more recently Hearn has indicated that a 50-50 might have to be considered. Wilder is in no rush, the interest in the fight will continue to grow and so will his value. So long as he and AJ don’t lose...

[ewenhay]

Ironically, I truly think it’s Joshua who needs Wilder and Fury to justify his alleged superstar status. He is operating on a far higher commercial level than Wilder and Fury combined and with that comes far higher demands, pressure and expectation. If you claim to be number 1 and hold most of the belts than you can reasonably be expected to clean out the division and get all the belts.

And when people criticise Wilder for not signing for the AJ fight, let’s just consider this.... Wilder is not being offered a one off fight. Instead he has been offered a 3 fight deal deal by DAZN, or at least was. Forgetting the Breazeale fight in that deal, fight 1 with AJ would see Wilder earn a reported $40m for fight 1. His team have no control over the promotion, which interestingly is one of the reasons Hearn rejected a previous offer from Wilder. Wilder is not disclosed what AJ will be earning nor disclosed the entire value of the fight. So it could end up that Wilder receives a 30-70% split (for example).

Wilder is chasing a 50-50 split for one fight. Personally, I think he’s worth it. Regardless of his past earnings, he holds a version of the world heavyweight title and the undisputed fight simply cannot happen without him. He therefore has considerable value particularly given that he will be earning AJ a career high payday. And if Hearn continues with his arrogance Team Wilder are literally going to continue to tell Eddie to piss-off and have some respect, which is what has happened. Eddie has literally publicised every part of the negotiations. I think if Wilder signs a deal he is entitled to know what the value of the fight is and what AJ will be earning.

If Wilder wins fight 1, he is contractually obliged to fight AJ in a rematch. Except Wilder gets the same purse as the first fight ($40m) whilst AJ will almost certainly get an increased purse and the lion share (again), even though he enters the fight as the loser. This is the exact same principle that caused Dillian Whyte to refuse to sign for a fight with AJ.

Hearn can makes as many public offers as he wants but the truth is that the terms he is proposing are not entirely reasonable, particularly when it comes to transparency of everyone’s earnings and the rematch terms are essentially an insurance policy pay-out to Team AJ.

The way team Wilder have played this is quite clever I think. They have driven up the offers massively and more recently Hearn has indicated that a 50-50 might have to be considered. Wilder is in no rush, the interest in the fight will continue to grow and so will his value. So long as he and AJ don’t lose...

Too sensible Liam.

[keirw]

Ironically, I truly think it’s Joshua who needs Wilder and Fury to justify his alleged superstar status. He is operating on a far higher commercial level than Wilder and Fury combined and with that comes far higher demands, pressure and expectation. If you claim to be number 1 and hold most of the belts than you can reasonably be expected to clean out the division and get all the belts.

And when people criticise Wilder for not signing for the AJ fight, let’s just consider this.... Wilder is not being offered a one off fight. Instead he has been offered a 3 fight deal deal by DAZN, or at least was. Forgetting the Breazeale fight in that deal, fight 1 with AJ would see Wilder earn a reported $40m for fight 1. His team have no control over the promotion, which interestingly is one of the reasons Hearn rejected a previous offer from Wilder. Wilder is not disclosed what AJ will be earning nor disclosed the entire value of the fight. So it could end up that Wilder receives a 30-70% split (for example).

Wilder is chasing a 50-50 split for one fight. Personally, I think he’s worth it. Regardless of his past earnings, he holds a version of the world heavyweight title and the undisputed fight simply cannot happen without him. He therefore has considerable value particularly given that he will be earning AJ a career high payday. And if Hearn continues with his arrogance Team Wilder are literally going to continue to tell Eddie to piss-off and have some respect, which is what has happened. Eddie has literally publicised every part of the negotiations. I think if Wilder signs a deal he is entitled to know what the value of the fight is and what AJ will be earning.

If Wilder wins fight 1, he is contractually obliged to fight AJ in a rematch. Except Wilder gets the same purse as the first fight ($40m) whilst AJ will almost certainly get an increased purse and the lion share (again), even though he enters the fight as the loser. This is the exact same principle that caused Dillian Whyte to refuse to sign for a fight with AJ. As a matter of principle, it cannot be right that the loser coming into a rematch earns more than the defending, undisputed champion.

Hearn can makes as many public offers as he wants but the truth is that the terms he is proposing are not entirely reasonable, particularly when it comes to transparency of everyone’s earnings and the rematch terms are essentially an insurance policy pay-out to Team AJ.

The way team Wilder have played this is quite clever I think. They have driven up the offers massively and more recently Hearn has indicated that a 50-50 might have to be considered. Wilder is in no rush, the interest in the fight will continue to grow and so will his value. So long as he and AJ don’t lose...

If Wilder beats Fury on US PPV I imagine he will get the 50/50 split. So it will look like a master stroke.

Although Hearn has to shoulder some of the blame for the unification not happening, the offer you outlined was offered by DAZN with little input from Hearn.

Joshua's side have shown much more willingness to make the fight than Wilder's team has, hopefully that all changes next year and we see the Wilder/Fury winner vs Joshua in 2020.

[digzee]

Wilder is chasing a 50-50 split for one fight. Personally, I think he’s worth it. Regardless of his past earnings, he holds a version of the world heavyweight title and the undisputed fight simply cannot happen without him.

So, do you think Indongo deserved and got 50-50 with Crawford when they had an undisputed fight? Especially as he held 2 belts. Also, when Mayweather beat Pac he held all the titles at 147 bar the IBF that Brook had, if Floyd wanted that last title do you think Brook would've deserved 50-50?

[liamlion]

If Wilder beats Fury on US PPV I imagine he will get the 50/50 split. So it will look like a master stroke.

Although Hearn has to shoulder some of the blame for the unification not happening, the offer you outlined was offered by DAZN with little input from Hearn.

Joshua's side have shown much more willingness to make the fight than Wilder's team has, hopefully that all changes next year and we see the Wilder/Fury winner vs Joshua in 2020.

No way. Joshua is Eddie Hearn or more specifically Matchroom’s fighter contractually. There is no way DAZN have the ability to unilaterally offer fight contracts to other fighters binding Joshua without regard to Hearn, who also has to answer to Joshua and his other partner Sky Sports.

Any offer from DAZN will have had major input from Eddie Hearn and Joshua and would have to be sanctioned by those two before being publicised. To suggest otherwise is simply inaccurate and fantasy.

The exact same setup applies with Canelo, Golden Boy and DAZN.

[liamlion]

So, do you think Indongo deserved and got 50-50 with Crawford when they had an undisputed fight? Especially as he held 2 belts. Also, when Mayweather beat Pac he held all the titles at 147 bar the IBF that Brook had, if Floyd wanted that last title do you think Brook would've deserved 50-50?

Each fight turns on its on merits.

The major difference between Indongo/Brook versus Wilder is that there were both non-America and unknown in the states. Wilder is America, is known*, is backed by a big television company in Showtime with a good audience and holds arguably the most prestigious of all the world championship belts.

The difference between someone like Joshua and Mayweather is that Joshua isn’t a boxing superstar in America. Joshua really needs Wilder for interest and to help generate his biggest career payday and launch him massively in America. Whereas Mayweather was a huge, long-established name in America and generated a fortune every time he fought, regardless of the opponent.

So do I think Brook would have got 50-50 for a hypothetical undisputed fight? No I don’t. Do I think there is such a disparity in value between Joshua-Wilder compared to that of Mayweather-Brook? Nowhere near. In fact I think it’s a bit of an extreme and bizarre example to try and use as a comparison.


*Im fully aware that in every interview Eddie Hearn tries to convince the audience that Wilder is unknown in America and can barely sell out arenas. Please note however that when DAZN’s America shows don’t sell well Eddie Hearn is very quick to explain at length the demographic and cultural difference between America and Britain as to why boxing audiences aren’t as high in America...