Andy Ruiz - the second coming of Buster Douglas ?

[ValMar]

I mean - the only one brilliant performance in his career.............And, nothing, literally nothing, after that.

[HomicideHenry]

No reason to speculate until we see what the new champion decides to do next. If he wins a rematch or faces someone else first instead and wins, he's certainly not Douglas.

Quite frankly he's not Douglas even now. Douglas straight up QUIT against Tucker for the title. He didn't really want to be a fighter. Ruiz on the other hand, you can argue was gypped against Parker. There's not an ounce of quit in the man.

[ironbeard]

I mean - the only one brilliant performance in his career.............And, nothing, literally nothing, after that.

Nothing? His only loss was a controversial decision that could have gone either way or been a draw to Parker, in NZ, and HE TRAINED HIMSELF for that fight.

Nothing? He just stopped two behemoths IN SIX WEEKS.

Nothing? His professional record is 33-1.

Your definition of nothing must be something.

[ValMar]

Nothing? His only loss was a controversial decision that could have gone either way or been a draw to Parker, in NZ, and HE TRAINED HIMSELF for that fight.

Nothing? He just stopped two behemoths IN SIX WEEKS.

Nothing? His professional record is 33-1.

Your definition of nothing must be something.

I am afraid I have been misunderstood. When I wrote "nothing, literally nothing" I thought about Douglas.

So, my point here is prediction about Ruiz's future.

[SenorPipino]

Douglas ran hot and cold throughout his career.

He was gold against Tyson. The next time out he was overweight, disinterested and flopped quickly against Holyfield.

Almost a take the money and run scenario.

Ruiz seems to be tougher mentally and willing to dig down deep to score a win.

That doesn't mean that he'll hold the belts for a lengthy period. Ruiz has skills. He's no joke. But he's far from unbeatable.

He might lose his very next time out. But unlike Douglas he'll make the effort to hang onto the championship.

[oogiebe]

Andy has been a consistently decent fighter. Douglas was a head case. No comparison.

[dagilechia]

Nothing? His only loss was a controversial decision that could have gone either way or been a draw to Parker, in NZ, and HE TRAINED HIMSELF for that fight.

Nothing? He just stopped two behemoths IN SIX WEEKS.

Nothing? His professional record is 33-1.

Your definition of nothing must be something.

Dimitrenko's a chinny quitter though. But of course, he did well vs Parker (i watched it twice, i had 115-113 Parker and 114-114) and his win over Joshua is a huge thing.

[ValMar]

Dimitrenko's a chinny quitter though. But of course, he did well vs Parker (i watched it twice, i had 115-113 Parker and 114-114) and his win over Joshua is a huge thing.

Again : Douglas had had one night of glory, ant after this fight, he did nothing (as a boxer).

Ruiz had his night of glory, two days ago. I wonder if he is capable to be on the top or (at least) near the top in the future.

I hope I explained clearly what I wanted to say.

[DrDuke]

A bit different cases already. Douglas had a solid streak prior to Tyson after all ups and downs. Ruiz didn't have any seesaws in his career, it was pretty plain prior to Joshua and lacked some really big wins, while Ruiz himself always looked prepared and even arguably won in his only loss.

[The Great John L]

As many noted, Douglas never seemed to be fully vested in boxing, but his career actually is much more impressive than Ruiz's to this point. Wins over Page, Berbick, McCall and Mike Williams make for a much better resume than what Ruiz has so far. And Tyson was an established great when Douglas beat him while Joshua has yet to fully establish his legacy. If he ever really has one.

[oogiebe]

As many noted, Douglas never seemed to be fully vested in boxing, but his career actually is much more impressive than Ruiz's to this point. Wins over Page, Berbick, McCall and Mike Williams make for a much better resume than what Ruiz has so far. And Tyson was an established great when Douglas beat him while Joshua has yet to fully establish his legacy. If he ever really has one.

True, and let's also remember that he was in a better era of HW's.

[Contendeh]

Unlike Buster, Ruiz is someone who likes to fight. I do not think he’ll disengage at all from boxing now that he has (somewhat) reached the top.

I expect more wars from Andy in the future.

[Enlightened-One]

I mean - the only one brilliant performance in his career.............And, nothing, literally nothing, after that.

What do you know about Buster Douglas? His resume isn’t as bad as you think it was.

He fought six world champions, two of which are Hall-of-Famers: Mike Tyson; Evander Holyfield; Oliver McCall; Trevor Berbick; Greg Page; and Tony Tucker.

He also faced four world-rated title contenders: Steffen Tangstad, David Bey, Randall Cobb and Jesse Ferguson.

He competed in three world title bouts and only tasted defeat six times in 44 bouts.

Can you name five heavyweights currently competing today that possess a better resume than Buster Douglas has?

Personally-speaking, I think you’re being a bit harsh on our evaluation of Buster Douglas. It’s not as if anything I’ve written is untrue and is up for debate.

[ValMar]

What do you know about Buster Douglas? His resume isn’t as bad as you think it was.

He fought six world champions, two of which are Hall-of-Famers: Mike Tyson; Evander Holyfield; Oliver McCall; Trevor Berbick; Greg Page; and Tony Tucker.

He also faced four world-rated title contenders: Steffen Tangstad, David Bey, Randall Cobb and Jesse Ferguson.

He competed in three world title bouts and only tasted defeat six times in 44 bouts.

Can you name five heavyweights currently competing today that possess a better resume than Buster Douglas has?

Personally-speaking, I think you’re being a bit harsh on our evaluation of Buster Douglas. It’s not as if anything I’ve written is untrue and is up for debate.

"And nothing, literally nothing, after that"

[Noxy]

More to the point, why does Ruiz look the way he does? Does that really work for him? I don't see why he couldn't shed a few pounds and remain strong.

[HomicideHenry]

More to the point, why does Ruiz look the way he does? Does that really work for him? I don't see why he couldn't shed a few pounds and remain strong.

Why does it bother you that much? I swear this era of Instagram has absolutely ruined boxing. The all-time greats NEVER looked like bodybuilders and models.

There was plenty of "fat" guys who made good/great fighters look like dogshit. Hell Jack Dempsey's biggest pain in the ass was Willie Meehan who was an out & out dough boy.

[Enlightened-One]

"And nothing, literally nothing, after that"

Apologies, when you wrote the following:

I mean - the only one brilliant performance in his career.............And, nothing, literally nothing, after that.

It seemed to imply that Buster Douglas hadn't achieved anything of note during the course of his career other than his victory over Mike Tyson, when this clearly isn't the case.

You need to remember that Douglas had promotional and legal issues with Don King, retired immediately after the Holyfield bout, ballooned to roughly 400lbs, suffered a diabetic coma, lost 150lbs, made a comeback six years later and only tasted defeat once in the final nine bouts of his career.

Are you suggesting that Andy Ruiz Jr’s circumstances mirror those of James ‘Buster’ Douglas? I can’t see the similarities myself.

Is it possible that Andy might never gain another victory over world-rated opposition? For sure it's feasible, but it’s far too early to speculate about such things until we see the rematch.

A lot of us appreciated Ruiz Jr’s talents more than three years prior to his bout against Anthony Joshua. I considered him a bigger threat to AJ than Jarrell Miller.

Anyway, back to the point I eluded to, James “Buster” Douglas’ resume is vastly superior than the majority of heavyweights competing today.

[SenorPipino]

More to the point, why does Ruiz look the way he does? Does that really work for him? I don't see why he couldn't shed a few pounds and remain strong.

Of course it works for him.

After Saturday night, how can you argue otherwise?

[ValMar]

Apologies, when you wrote the following:

It seemed to imply that Buster Douglas hadn't achieved anything of note during the course of his career other than his victory over Mike Tyson, when this clearly isn't the case.

You need to remember that Douglas had promotional and legal issues with Don King, retired immediately after the Holyfield bout, ballooned to roughly 400lbs, suffered a diabetic coma, lost 150lbs, made a comeback six years later and only tasted defeat once in the final nine bouts of his career.

Are you suggesting that Andy Ruiz Jr’s circumstances mirror those of James ‘Buster’ Douglas? I can’t see the similarities myself.

Is it possible that Andy might never gain another victory over world-rated opposition? For sure it's feasible, but it’s far too early to speculate about such things until we see the rematch.

A lot of us appreciated Ruiz Jr’s talents more than three years prior to his bout against Anthony Joshua. I considered him a bigger threat to AJ than Jarrell Miller.

Anyway, back to the point I eluded to, James “Buster” Douglas’ resume is vastly superior than the majority of heavyweights competing today.

Simply, Douglas did not achieve anything since the fight vs. Tyson. This was my point.

I did not try to compare Ruiz and Douglas, I have just tried to see how majority of the forum members see his (Ruiz's) boxing future on the top level. Will he be remembered as a great champion with several worthy scalps, or as a man who had only one notable victory in his career.

[Enlightened-One]

Simply, Douglas did not achieve anything since the fight vs. Tyson. This was my point.

I did not try to compare Ruiz and Douglas, I have just tried to see how majority of the forum members see his (Ruiz's) boxing future on the top level. Will he be remembered as a great champion with several worthy scalps, or as a man who had only one notable victory in his career.

Fair enough, you probably should've phrased your question better though.

Douglas achieved one great victory and had also gained several decent (or "worthy") scalps. Most heavyweights competing today would be flattered to be compared to James ‘Buster’ Douglas, since most of their resumes' are nowehere near as good as his.

You could argue that Ruiz Jr. has already beaten two world-champions, with his loss against Joseph Parker on the Kiwi's home turf being considered highly contentious. Whether he’s capable of more notable victories, only time will tell.

[ValMar]

Fair enough, you probably should've phrased your question better though.

Douglas achieved one great victory and had also gained several decent (or "worthy") scalps. Most heavyweights competing today would be flattered to be compared to James ‘Buster’ Douglas, since most of their resumes' are nowehere near as good as his.

You could argue that Ruiz Jr. has already beaten two world-champions, with his loss against Joseph Parker on the Kiwi's home turf being considered highly contentious. Whether he’s capable of more notable victories, only time will tell.

I apologise because of my bad English.

[Enlightened-One]

I apologise because of my bad English.

[gp.]

True, and let's also remember that he was in a better era of HW's.

Yeah. You dethrone a seemingly invincible champion in Mike Tyson.

And what reward do you get for your first defence? Evander fornicating Holyfield.

That's bad luck from anyone's perspective.

[Noxy]

Why does it bother you that much? I swear this era of Instagram has absolutely ruined boxing. The all-time greats NEVER looked like bodybuilders and models.

There was plenty of "fat" guys who made good/great fighters look like dogshit. Hell Jack Dempsey's biggest pain in the ass was Willie Meehan who was an out & out dough boy.

Yes, good point. The way Ruiz looks doesn't bother me. He fought well on Saturday too. I understand that someone like Ruiz isn't supposed to look like Josh, or Bellew will never look like Haye etc. I just couldn't help wondering whether Ruiz was really at his best in terms of his strength and conditioning. At the same time, I'm no expert in S&C, so maybe he was in peak condition.

[Susej_SOG]

I mean - the only one brilliant performance in his career.............And, nothing, literally nothing, after that.

He did a good job against Joshua Parker and fought in his home.

And Douglas was a big sh.ot against a Tyson out of his prime

Andy worked all the fight and was better in every single aspect.

And he has only 29 years old.