BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

[Heretic]

This was pretty good summary of what happened in the fight.

[ironbeard]

Well done! Thank you for that link.

[Tarkus]

Ruiz #2
Joshua #3

[KiwiRider]

Well done! Thank you for that link.

X2
In my furvor (inebriation) after the fight, I accidentally deleted it and can't rewatch it

[ironbeard]

X2
In my furvor (inebriation) after the fight, I accidentally deleted it and can't rewatch it

oooooh noooo, Kiiiiwiii!!

I have watched it five times, so far. Never been a fight quite like it. AJ is catching hell but The Fat King of Boxing walked through absolute hell to become King of the hill.

Ruiz is a VERY deserving champion and AJ has nothing to be ashamed of. I am not sure that there is an HW out there who could have gotten up from that bomb and walk through the shots he had to to land his temple shots.

AJ may not be great, but he has provided a number of the most entertaining HW wars of this century. He does not deserve the level of disrespect he is being pelted with. He was King of Boxing for years. If he chooses to he will be a factor for years to come.

[Lackeos]

Joshua down to #3, Ruiz Jr enters at #4.

Because of their resumes outside of this fight, I have a hunch that Ruiz probably doesn't beat Joshua 10 times out of 10. If McCall isn't truly better than Lewis, then do you rate McCall above Lewis? Because of Ruiz's MD loss to Parker, I wonder whether Ruiz is truly even top 5.

[Ian1973]

Mine:


1 Fury
2 Wilder
3 Ruiz
4 Joshua
5 Ortiz
6 Pulev
7 White
8 Parker
9 Povetkin
10 Miller

[Belanio]

My vote: Joshua down to #6, Ruiz Jr enters at #1.

[ValMar]

It would be very interesting too see how many "experts" here, on this thread, had Andy Ruiz on their lists of the top 15 HWs, before he faced AJ.
Of course, I have not enough time and the nerves to check this, but, again, it would be very interesting to see.

[ewenhay]

It would be very interesting too see how many "experts" here, on this thread, had Andy Ruiz on their lists of the top 15 HWs, before he faced AJ.
Of course, I have not enough time and the nerves to check this, but, again, it would be very interesting to see.

He didn't make the original forum top 15 so wouldn't have been on many lists. Saying that there wasn't a lot between 8th and 15th at the time.

[jamamb]

i think i had voted for him to be 15th when there was a few vacanies. i think he just missed a spot

[ValMar]

I will try to find out the original thread.

[dagilechia]

It would be very interesting too see how many "experts" here, on this thread, had Andy Ruiz on their lists of the top 15 HWs, before he faced AJ.
Of course, I have not enough time and the nerves to check this, but, again, it would be very interesting to see.

When we started to do the lists, in the first voting that determined the first top 15 (it was the voting where everyone posted his top 15) out of the 20 votes only 1 had Ruiz Jr (the user who had him in top 15 was conan_the_cribber, at first, he had the #15 spot vacant but eventually he gave it to Ruiz Jr). 23 fighters received at least one vote, Andy Ruiz Jr ended at #22 ex aequo with Sergey Kuzmin. He got ranked below the likes of Carlos Takam and Marco Huck. The voting started 6 January and ended 16 January.

From 20 to 28 April we had the voting on vacant spot after Miller got removed from the list for his juicing. 14 users participated in the voting, everyone had to choose the 3 most deserving fighter to get the #15. in total 12 fighters received at least 1 vote. Andy Ruiz Jr ended at 3, below Joyce and Hunter who were placed respectively 2 and 1. 6 out of 14 users voted on Ruiz Jr. oogiebe and morm had him #3 (oogiebe at first had him out of the 3, and he had Takam at 3 but eventually he changed his vote after Ruiz vs Dimitrenko fight), Belanio had him at #2 and tiny_acres, jamamb and Heretic had him at #1.

[ValMar]

When we started to do the lists, in the first voting that determined the first top 15 (it was the voting where everyone posted his top 15) out of the 20 votes only 1 had Ruiz Jr (the user who had him in top 15 was conan_the_cribber, at first, he had the #15 spot vacant but eventually he gave it to Ruiz Jr). 23 fighters received at least one vote, Andy Ruiz Jr ended at #22 ex aequo with Sergey Kuzmin. He got ranked below the likes of Carlos Takam and Marco Huck. The voting started 6 January and ended 16 January.

From 20 to 28 April we had the voting on vacant spot after Miller got removed from the list for his juicing. 14 users participated in the voting, everyone had to choose the 3 most deserving fighter to get the #15. in total 12 fighters received at least 1 vote. Andy Ruiz Jr ended at 3, below Joyce and Hunter who were placed respectively 2 and 1. 6 out of 14 users voted on Ruiz Jr. oogiebe and morm had him #3 (oogiebe at first had him out of the 3, and he had Takam at 3 but eventually he changed his vote after Ruiz vs Dimitrenko fight), Belanio had him at #2 and tiny_acres, jamamb and Heretic had him at #1.

Thanks, Dagilechia !

[ewenhay]

When we started to do the lists, in the first voting that determined the first top 15 (it was the voting where everyone posted his top 15) out of the 20 votes only 1 had Ruiz Jr (the user who had him in top 15 was conan_the_cribber, at first, he had the #15 spot vacant but eventually he gave it to Ruiz Jr). 23 fighters received at least one vote, Andy Ruiz Jr ended at #22 ex aequo with Sergey Kuzmin. He got ranked below the likes of Carlos Takam and Marco Huck. The voting started 6 January and ended 16 January.

From 20 to 28 April we had the voting on vacant spot after Miller got removed from the list for his juicing. 14 users participated in the voting, everyone had to choose the 3 most deserving fighter to get the #15. in total 12 fighters received at least 1 vote. Andy Ruiz Jr ended at 3, below Joyce and Hunter who were placed respectively 2 and 1. 6 out of 14 users voted on Ruiz Jr. oogiebe and morm had him #3 (oogiebe at first had him out of the 3, and he had Takam at 3 but eventually he changed his vote after Ruiz vs Dimitrenko fight), Belanio had him at #2 and tiny_acres, jamamb and Heretic had him at #1.

So he was effectively 17th then? What was his box rec ranking? 15th? To be honest it's really difficult to rank heavyweights outwith the top 7 or 8, mainly due to inactivity and fighters around that level not facing each other much. In hindsight we maybe overlooked him a little and he should have been in the top 15 at that point.

Shows you how quickly things can change in boxing, particularly in the heavyweight division.

[dagilechia]

So he was effectively 17th then? What was his box rec ranking? 15th? To be honest it's really difficult to rank heavyweights outwith the top 7 or 8, mainly due to inactivity and fighters around that level not facing each other much. In hindsight we maybe overlooked him a little and he should have been in the top 15 at that point.

Shows you how quickly things can change in boxing, particularly in the heavyweight division.

yeah we can say that he was seen as #17 by our forum prior to the AJ fight. BoxRec had him #14.

[tiny_acres]

When we started to do the lists, in the first voting that determined the first top 15 (it was the voting where everyone posted his top 15) out of the 20 votes only 1 had Ruiz Jr (the user who had him in top 15 was conan_the_cribber, at first, he had the #15 spot vacant but eventually he gave it to Ruiz Jr). 23 fighters received at least one vote, Andy Ruiz Jr ended at #22 ex aequo with Sergey Kuzmin. He got ranked below the likes of Carlos Takam and Marco Huck. The voting started 6 January and ended 16 January.

From 20 to 28 April we had the voting on vacant spot after Miller got removed from the list for his juicing. 14 users participated in the voting, everyone had to choose the 3 most deserving fighter to get the #15. in total 12 fighters received at least 1 vote. Andy Ruiz Jr ended at 3, below Joyce and Hunter who were placed respectively 2 and 1. 6 out of 14 users voted on Ruiz Jr. oogiebe and morm had him #3 (oogiebe at first had him out of the 3, and he had Takam at 3 but eventually he changed his vote after Ruiz vs Dimitrenko fight), Belanio had him at #2 and tiny_acres, jamamb and Heretic had him at #1.

I've argued my point for a long time that Ruiz is and was a top 10 fighter

[dagilechia]

that is how the list changed in less than 5 months

first voting-now

1. Joshua-Joshua (he will get dropped now though)
2. Fury-Fury
3. Wilder-Wilder
4. Whyte-Whyte
5. Povetkin-Povetkin
6. Ortiz-Ortiz
7. Pulev-Pulev
8. Miller-Parker
9. Parker-Kownacki
10. Breazeale-Rivas
11. Jennings-Hrgović
12. Kownacki-Chisora
13. Chisora-Kabayel
14. Hrgović-Breazeale
15. Kabayel-Hunter (he will be dropped soon due to entrance of Ruiz Jr)

Miller started at #8, now he is out
Parker started at #9, now he is #8
Breazeale started at #10, now he is #14
Jennings started at #11, now he is out
Kownacki started at #12, now he is #9
Chisora started at #13, now he is #12
Hrgović started at #14, now he is #11
Kabayel started at #15, now he is #13
Rivas was unranked, now he is #10
Hunter was unranked, now he is #15

it was not a good time for American HW's: Miller and Jennings got removed from the list, Breazeale dropped from 10 to 14, Hunter got voted to the list at 15 but he will be removed soon.

of course, the Joshua vs Ruiz fight will change the list even more soon.

[oogiebe]

He didn't make the original forum top 15 so wouldn't have been on many lists. Saying that there wasn't a lot between 8th and 15th at the time.

He hadn't fought in forever if memory serves. Wasn't he having promotional issues or something?

[ewenhay]

He hadn't fought in forever if memory serves. Wasn't he having promotional issues or something?

Not sure. But he was off the radar.

Saying that once I got to 8 in the rankings it was all much of a muchness after that.

[tiny_acres]

He hadn't fought in forever if memory serves. Wasn't he having promotional issues or something?

From what I read. He took time off when he got a new trainer and regrouped.
Basically tried to relearn everything.

[ewenhay]

From what I read. He took time off when he got a new trainer and regrouped.
Basically tried to relearn everything.

Paid off in spades that decision

[tiny_acres]

Paid off in spades that decision

Yes sir. I hope he can continue at that level for a long time to come

[HeavyHitters]

You guys are NUTS for putting Ruiz at #1 after this "questionable" victory over Anthony Joshua. Yes, AJ may have had a panic attack before the fight, but he clearly didn't look right most of the fight. It's still hard for me to fathom how he lost this fight. Maybe he does have a questionable chin, but to go down that easy from some of those punches by Ruiz....... ridiculous!!

I'm guessing Ruiz will lose in his first title defense, or his second, ( depending who he chooses to fight next ). I'm guessing AJ bounces back and regains a title within 2-3 years, and a few years from now, we will all be scratching our heads on what exactly happened that night.

Here's my current top 10:

1. Deontay Wilder
2. Tyson Fury
3. Andy Ruiz Jr.
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Dillian Whyte
7. Joseph Parker
8. Daniel Dubois
9. Joe Joyce
10. Michael Hunter/ Oleksandr Usyk

[oogiebe]

That's not far off what I put in.

Wilder
Fury
Ruiz
Joshua
etc.